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MooJohn

join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
·Windstream

reply to markopoleo
Re: If people are still getting spam..

It's not the people receiving spam that we should care about. It's the idiots that are responding to it and buying whatever it's got for sale who are perpetuating the problem.

If nobody bought from a spam or even clicked on it, it'd cease to be a useful tool. Instead, there are just enough dumbasses willing to click on an "enhancement" advertisement, stock tip, or replica watch ad that the spammers are willing to keep at it.


cableties
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join:2005-01-27
·Verizon FIOS

You don't have to respond, you just have to have an image load or HTML embed load, and that let's them know what IP (and domain) to hammer, troll, scan...

Yes, computer buyers (major %) have no idea that:
-The PC they just bought has OS that is 6 months behind in patches.
-The PC they bought a few years ago needs updates and not jsut to the OS
-Just because you are on the net, doesn't mean you shouldn't own a router w/firewall
-Have no clue about BCC lists, forwarding or email procedures
-Don't supervise their children that do have net access

So ISPs take the passive route (aka cheapest) and leave it to the user to filter.

"Spammers need to be executed. And posted on YouTube." -some facist


james

join:2001-02-26
antarctica

But they dont just spam for the hell of it. They do it because it makes them MONEY, so if idiots stop buying the crap there will be no MONEY in it for the spammer. This would not apply to virus propagation of course however, since they dont care if you buy any penis enlargement pills or not.

Time4aNAP
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join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL

reply to MooJohn
said by MooJohn See Profile :

It's not the people receiving spam that we should care about. It's the idiots that are responding to it and buying whatever it's got for sale who are perpetuating the problem.
That would appear to be sound reasoning. And it is the prevailing school of thought on the matter. However I have good reason to believe that in fact, the biggest dupes are the spammers themselves, and that few if any spam solicitations are taken seriously.

Anybody who has monitored spam activity over the years has noticed that spam sent to Americans has shifted away from domestic get rich quick schemes, towards increasingly isolated foreign sources. What's more, the pitches are gaining a distinct bumpkin quality that indicates a trend away from spammers being familiar with their targets. Heck, most of the spammers that I see today can't even manage to get the right character set, much less a single word of english!

Back when there was a majority of native US spammers, I had several occasions to engage in conversation with a few who stumbled into mailing lists. Any illusions that I had held about spamming being a slick corporate marketing tool were quickly dashed. They were genuinely baffled as to why a single e-mail address could generate so much retaliation; they were so clueless that they had no idea that a legitimate use for mass mailings even existed. And these were the Americans, the ones who look downright sophisticated in comparison to the current crop!

One common excuse emerged: "I bought this CD that was guaranteed to be full of e-mail addresses of (suckers)." Anyone who has browsed the back pages of computer magazines has seen the ads for these lists. It became pretty obvious to me who the biggest suckers were. These CDs were being sold at prices ranging from several hundred to several thousand dollars apiece! It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize what happens when the would-be direct marketing mogul finds out that he's been taken. It's nothing more than a new twist on the old "plans for guaranteed income, send $1 to..." scheme.

So what happens when every shady character in America knows about the latest grift? The last suckers who still want to recoup their losses must look abroad for a fresh crop of dupes. Of course, news travels fast in the Free World, so the next targets, and therefore sources of spam, tended to be ex-Soviet-Bloc countries that have been isolated from the news of the world until just recently, and to third world areas that are flush with drug money, but still mostly illiterate.

The final frontier is Communist China. And, as the chart clearly shows, there's a gold rush going on there. China is the perfect market for peddling spam schemes to. It's still isolated from reality by a well-entrenched totalitarian government. And the same government is fighting the Cold War with a clever new strategy: beat the West at its own game, namely capitalism. Here we have the world's most populous nation that is now wealthy enough to build a large-scale Internet infrastructure that is engineered to keep the truth from flowing in, but allow the BS to spew outwards unfettered, through huge new backbones.

The totalitarian regime in Communist China has the power of censorship, so it will be a long, long time before all six billion Chinese subjects learn that sending spam is a sucker's game. In the meantime, that leaves a whole lot of people with hopes and dreams to be unwitting soldiers in a massive passive-aggressive virtual invasion of the USA for many years to come.
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