Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| ISPs that greedy?
i mean holy crap, not only do they want google to pay them so their customers can even get to google at better then 24kbps speeds now this one is injecting ads.
can bet if comcast starts this ill be tinkering with my hosts file.
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TurtleFan
join:2003-05-03
Wyckoff, NJ
| So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up?
Good God commercialism has gone to far. These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly to consider injecting even more adds into a society that already ignores them.
Where do I go to bitch about it? |
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FiL
Premium
join:2005-08-16
Silver Spring, MD
1 edit | "These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly "
Thats my whole point right there... Layoffs, payoffs, greed schemes; from a multi-billion dollar industry. They tell you their hurting, yea, hurtin' for more n more cash. These companies make money then outsource the labor once stockholders are paid off. Employees get dick returns on investment because their not outside investors, Shit is all a game, but we blame the Mexicans for the lacking economy.
Eh, its the American Way...
I hope if ever comcast does this, avast!and zone-alarm nuke the shit outa the ads. |
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
 ·AT&T Midwest
| reply to TurtleFan
said by TurtleFan  :So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up? No, but it means someone on a Redmon (the ISP mentioned) will see an ad on the page (not a popup from the wording in the article - they actually modify the page source to, uh, add the ad). Verizon is using a DNS redirection service so if you mistype a URL that would otherwise be 404, you get a site-finder type page.
I suspect the people whose pages are being modified will be the end of this via lawsuits. That's how one of the spyware vendors got nailed (Gator maybe?) - they were popping up competitor's ads over the ads on a page. I think it was 1800Contacts that went after them. I also think an ISP that modifies the page before their suscriber recieves it should lose their common carrier status. |
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs:
1 edit | reply to FiL
It's not 'bout hurting. It's about the possibility to make more greed, ahem, I mean Green. |
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keyboard5684
join:2001-08-01
Youngsville, PA
 ·Teliax VOIP
 ·WestPAnet Inc.
 ·WestPAnet Inc. CA..
| reply to dentman42
"Common carrier status"? WTF is that? As far as I know all ISPs in the US are not regulated in any way. They can do what they want, serve pages how they want, modify content, just do whatever they want to with no regulation.
While I agree that no customer base would stand for this, smaller ISPs may get away with it. Also, many people simply would not notice something like that, believe it or not, and would just dismiss them as simple ads.
One of the sad things about how the US regulated things. The big ISPs, like Verizon, were regulated a little while the mom and pops where not which let them pave the way for the ad type crap but let the big guys take over after the small guys did some of the "nasty stuff". |
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cheesy bob
@qwest.net | reply to Kearnstd
the easy solution
thwart them by using firefox with ad block pro |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to TurtleFan
said by TurtleFan :So does this mean that if my site, which is currently add free, gets viewed by someone on a Verizon connection, an add will instantly pop up? Good God commercialism has gone to far. These companies can not POSSIBLY be hurting that badly to consider injecting even more adds into a society that already ignores them. Where do I go to bitch about it? MONEY talks and bullshit walks. good luck getting anyone to listen.
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
clubs:
| reply to keyboard5684
said by keyboard5684 :"Common carrier status"? WTF is that? Actually it is coveted and keeps the IAP (Internet Access Providers) from being sued as accomplices/enablers of IP theft.
quote:
Section 202(a) of the Communications Act. Section 202(a) of the Communications Act provides:
It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage.
§ 741. Common carrier status of corporation; laws applicable to corporation; common carrier activity; conflict of laws
»www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/···00-.html
quote:
The corporation shall be deemed to be a common carrier within the meaning of section 3(h) [1] of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, and as such shall be fully subject to the provisions of title II [47 U.S.C. 201 et seq.] and title III [47 U.S.C. 301 et seq.] of that Act. The provision of satellite terminal station facilities by one communication common carrier to one or more other communications common carriers shall be deemed to be a common carrier activity fully subject to the Communications Act [47 U.S.C. 151 et seq.]. Whenever the application of the provisions of this chapter shall be inconsistent with the application of the provisions of the Communications Act, the provisions of this chapter shall govern.
More brain food:
Common Carrier at wiki
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_carrier
Telecommunications Act of 1996
»www.fcc.gov/telecom.html
Opinion: The ISP—The Uncommon Carrier
»www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac···ier.html
Enjoy the awakening. 
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to Kearnstd
watch if you block it somehow you get a nastygram from the ISP because they will work it into the TOU that you cant block their ads.
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| reply to TurtleFan
Sue them in court for putting ad's in your site without paying you. You have a right to what ad's you run. How would you feel if they were putting political ads on your site that was against your site's message.
Seriously someone needs to stand up to this and nix it in the butt now. This is revenue stealing and in some cases worse. |
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