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Re: Speedtest.net's global results say differently said by ColorBASIC:Speedtest.net which has speed test host members all over the world says differently in terms of global averages. Japan for example is only averaging 10Mb locally. » www.speedtest.net/global.phpWhile some Tokyo highrises have 100Mb service, the average people (and companies) are actually seeing across Japan is NO WHERE near 60Mb. Reports( »www.itif.org/files/BroadbandRankings.pdf ) like these have an agenda. Make the US look worse than actual and make other countries better than actual. The people who developed this report( »www.innovationpolicy.org/index.php?s=board ) are lobbyists and the Board is controlled by 2 ex-congresspersons. They create a report and then go lobby Congress to spend HUGE dollars to remedy the solution.
So 2 questions arise:
Who is paying for their research and provides their funds?
CWA
Who benefits if the Congress decides to lay out a lot of money to fund infrastructure?
CWA
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium
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kudos:3 | We should stop deploying or improving broadband so that the Unions will not be able to accomplish the nefarious goals of their fiendish plot.
Bastards!
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that was smart tch.....i agree with you on this...its a manipulitive way for them to make money using lies....and trying to push the "pride" buttons of a government....in this case ....ours  |
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NOT Texas! | Okay then. There we have it! We will oppose raising internet speeds just because the union for the telephone workers want more work for their members!
Let's all get slower speed packages until that union is destroyed!!!
Good grief. Give me a break. You folks want more bandwidth, but you don't want people earning decent wages to provide it.
Would slave labor be better? |
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well here in qwest territory the fastest they offer here where I am at is 256/256 so I would not doubt that they are telling the truth about speeds |
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said by spg:Okay then. There we have it! We will oppose raising internet speeds just because the union for the telephone workers want more work for their members! Let's all get slower speed packages until that union is destroyed!!! Good grief. Give me a break. You folks want more bandwidth, but you don't want people earning decent wages to provide it. Would slave labor be better? The average CWA member at Verizon made $53,000/yr in 2003 and their contract called for a 10.6% increase over the next 4 yrs and has fully paid by the company health benefits.
Sure sounds like slave wages to me./sarcasm
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| Yea this report in its bias is soooo much different than the reports paid for by Bellsouth, At&T, the Cable Industry, Verizon, or any other group. It's simply more of the same from the other side.
Perhaps it really is best to have all ISPs provide the areas of coverage and levels of service. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:The average CWA member at Verizon made $53,000/yr in 2003 and their contract called for a 10.6% increase over the next 4 yrs and has fully paid by the company health benefits. The poorly educated and technically unskilled will always complain about how much money someone else makes rather than do anything to increase their own skill set.
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I agree....people cry all the time that they hate talking to people from India, but then the cry about actually paying someone in USA to do the work. Blah blah blah. |
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If reports like these actually bring out positive things like real broadband deployment...all the power to it. |
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Making middle class wages and actually having insurance? The problem with that is? |
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| said by 59126125:Making middle class wages and actually having insurance? The problem with that is? Because it goes against the modern Corporate mantra!
These days employees should work long hard hours and be paid a pittance. Hell, they are lucky these generous companies even hire them, they should donate most their work for free out of gratitude!
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said by fAcEtIOUs:The average CWA member at Verizon made $53,000/yr in 2003 and their contract called for a 10.6% increase over the next 4 yrs and has fully paid by the company health benefits. That's 2.55% annual. That's not very much. And I thought reducing health benefits was one of the concessions Verizon received in the last contract...?
$53k does not even seem like much considering the average experience level... but it is still definitely not slave labor.
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Thats some tin-foilin' if I ever seen it. Why is it that when your Fatherlan, err, homeland gets criticized, and rightfuly so, your conspiracies come out? Easy fix; take the extreme WHATEVERs stats, and the other extreme WHATEVERs stats, and extract a median average...
Stats are stats brah.:) |
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FiLPremium
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lol, exactly my sentiments...slave labor, slave labor, slave labor for all! Again...! For the 3rd time!
Makes me sick...These guys get paid the bare minimum to live out the aMurrrikan dream if those stats are correct tch... |
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said by FiL: take the extreme WHATEVERs stats, and the other extreme WHATEVERs stats, and extract a median average... Stats are stats brah.:) They came from the CWA web site announcing the contract.
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said by John Galt:said by fAcEtIOUs:The average CWA member at Verizon made $53,000/yr in 2003 and their contract called for a 10.6% increase over the next 4 yrs and has fully paid by the company health benefits. The poorly educated and technically unskilled will always complain about how much money someone else makes rather than do anything to increase their own skill set. That sure sounds like SARCASM to me! U know nothing about this guy or how much he makes in his life or what he does.
$53,000 is decent for any low budget bum like a telephone company worker.
No one told them to go buy a house, get some hooker pregnant, then marry her, and have 12 more kids to feed. Buy 2 LUXURY cars, and then refuse to pay the bills when they get out of control. Come on, Americans can do things to control their own, but the average bum just sits on sites like this and all they do is talk and talk about improvement.
HELL, WE ALREADY KNOW THIS REPORT IS NOT 100% TRUE! Shut this down already!
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The ITIF report that CWA uses gives US avg as 4.8mps said by FiL:Stats are stats brah.:) Lies, damned lies, and statistics. They're comparing apples and oranges in the international comparisons. Their report, linked off the story, references this report:
»www.itif.org/files/BroadbandRankings.pdf
From page 3 of that report:
However, measuring speed is not as
straightforward as penetration because national
networks are normally composed of connections
of widely varying speeds. We calculate average
download speeds based on OECD data that
compiles the advertised speeds offered by
several major broadband providers in each
country. The OECD gathered this data from
national providers wherever possible. Note that Table 1, on page 4 of that report, the very source for the 61.0 Mbps number for Japan, the 45.6 Mbps number for South Korea, the 7.6 Mbps number for Canada and all the others, gives a number for the US. That number for the USA is 4.8 Mbps download.
Now, there are good reasons to think that the CWA speed test numbers may be more accurate for the speeds people actually have, as opposed to the fastest advertised hypothetical claims. But you can't compare the US numbers from actual speed surveys to non-US numbers from fastest advertised speeds. |
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Re: Speedtest.net's global results say differently You do realize that you are paying for that salary through your bill, right?
Regardless of the cost of labor, unions are businesses in themselves. They make their money by legally extorting it from other businesses, but regardless of how they make their money, this bill is meant by no means to benefit this union's members. It is meant to benefit the union, namely the wallets of those running it, as if telecommunicatons companies had more broadband customers, they would need more employees and if they need more employees, those new employees (who will likely be coercised into joining the union should they refuse upon the first offer) will pay union dues, which increases union revenues, making those running the union wealther as they will have more money in the union treasury that can be lost due to things that will be said to be "overhead."
By the way, if companies did not pay enough for workers to earn a living, their workers would quit. Imagine how long a company will last if it announced that it will begin paying all of its employees a salary of $1 a year. The market determines how much people are paid; unions attempt to manipulate that to earn money, like all businesses in their position would. |
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| Actually, the Unions in general determine the wage level. Even if you are not a Union member, you still benefit from the work they do. Unions set the bar for wages in all industries.
You actually think that if the market is good, companies would generously give the employees a fat raise? That's funny.
It would be in the best interest of all workers for the Unions to have more members and a stronger influence. Unions are not perfect like everything else, but they are about the only way for the little guy to demand a decent living in exchange for making a corporation millions. |
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