cvrefugee
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Re: Unlimited :)
said by DMS1  :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? |
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ColorBASIC
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Corona, CA | If you don't see the allure of it, don't buy it.
Very simple. |
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AdamB
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said by DMS1 :said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). I guess a lot of Asia is in North America now 
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DMS1
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| said by AdamB :said by DMS1 :said by cvrefugee :Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember. Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included). I guess a lot of Asia is in North America now Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the Asian CDMA systems W-CDMA, which is different from the CDMA and CDMA2000 systems used in North America? |
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jersey7
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2 edits | Yes. HSDPA/UTMS is W-CDMA, used by GSM providers. W-CDMA allows the use of video calling(simultaneous voice/data connections). 2 billion GSM users(myself included), 70% of all mobile subscribers says a lot.
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dvd536
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said by cvrefugee :said by DMS1 :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? having a cutesy device with an apple logo on it.
just slap an apple logo on something and people will flock to it paying double/triple what its really worth.
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stufried
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I think Apple went with EDGE because of battery life. There is a fair amount of HSDPA or UMTs in the US. My Hermes Tytn has 3g in plenty of spots in the US.
I'm not sure whether EVDO has better battery life than WCDMA. I'd note that the new Hermes iPhone competitor is also in EDGE. |
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PhilAIV
join:2002-02-16
Carrollton, GA
clubs: | Apple went with AT&T b/c Verizon said no thanks when Apple was shopping around. (As I recall, vzw declined b/c Apple wanted too much control)
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mlohr
join:2001-05-28
Ellicott City, MD
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The contract includes a data pledge against large ftps and downloads. No explanation.
BTW if you are in a 3G area the data rates are 1Meg symmetric( Los Angeles) or even 2 Meg in the enhanced areas (Phoenix)
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djrobx
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1 edit | Yep. They just turned 3G access on less than a week ago in my area of LA. I see speeds around 800/256 on average through my Blackjack. Perhaps the symmetric doesn't kick in unless you have a data card.
And you are correct, we were visiting friends in Phoenix. I was pulling over 1.5mbps down, seeing downloads of 220KB/sec or so. I was extremely impressed to be getting that off my cell phone. I had these elaborate plans to install a router in their home just so I could get online, but my Cingular service was more than adequate.
Sorry, no 3g, no iPhone for me.
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wadonoel
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Japan and S. Korea have nationwide CDMA/CDMA2000 and Mainland China, Hong-Kong, Thailand and a few other countries have limited CDMA coverage, as well as Australia and New Zealand.
The CDMA/CDMA2000 of Japan is incompatible with others and dual-mode phones are only sold in Japan. (au users can roam on Verizon using those phones but VZW users can't roam on au because of that) |
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stufried
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join:2003-10-13 | reply to PhilAIV
There is no question that Verizon told Apple what to do with its iPhone. My question was if Verizon said "yes," would be complaining about a CDMA 1RXTT "iPhone." |
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Joshua
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Phoenix, AZ
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said by Matt :said by pnh102 :said by Jeffrey :So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited.  Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte. What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial? "This is YouTube on your phone. It'll take a month to buffer before you can watch it, but it'll eventually come in." Wi-Fi
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Joshua
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said by Jeffrey :So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. I'll say it again, I like the way that phone looks and I hope Apple does well with it. The geek factor seems pretty high on it, but it's just not for me. Its unlimited, as they have locked down the phone 
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Joshua
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said by cvrefugee :said by DMS1 :It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide. I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds? Not only CDMA has higher speeds. If Apple wanted faster speeds, they could have stayed with cingular and just added 3G to their phones. Who knows, maybe like in some macs with Wireless-N, 3G is there ,and just needs to be enabled via software.
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