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It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide.
I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds?
Not only CDMA has higher speeds. If Apple wanted faster speeds, they could have stayed with cingular and just added 3G to their phones. Who knows, maybe like in some macs with Wireless-N, 3G is there ,and just needs to be enabled via software.
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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. :)

I'll say it again, I like the way that phone looks and I hope Apple does well with it. The geek factor seems pretty high on it, but it's just not for me.
Its unlimited, as they have locked down the phone ;)
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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. :)
Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte.
What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial?

"This is YouTube on your phone. It'll take a month to buffer before you can watch it, but it'll eventually come in."
Wi-Fi :)
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The CDMA/CDMA2000 of Japan is incompatible with others and dual-mode phones are only sold in Japan. (au users can roam on Verizon using those phones but VZW users can't roam on au because of that)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18576615 Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:09:53 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18575812 djrobx : Yep. They just turned 3G access on less than a week ago in my area of LA. I see speeds around 800/256 on average through my Blackjack. Perhaps the symmetric doesn't kick in unless you have a data card.

And you are correct, we were visiting friends in Phoenix. I was pulling over 1.5mbps down, seeing downloads of 220KB/sec or so. I was extremely impressed to be getting that off my cell phone. I had these elaborate plans to install a router in their home just so I could get online, but my Cingular service was more than adequate.

Sorry, no 3g, no iPhone for me.

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BTW if you are in a 3G area the data rates are 1Meg symmetric( Los Angeles) or even 2 Meg in the enhanced areas (Phoenix)

If they expand 3 G it is supper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18575610 Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:07:24 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18573209 PhilAIV : Apple went with AT&T b/c Verizon said no thanks when Apple was shopping around. (As I recall, vzw declined b/c Apple wanted too much control)
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I'm not sure whether EVDO has better battery life than WCDMA. I'd note that the new Hermes iPhone competitor is also in EDGE.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18572717 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:51:14 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18572659 dvd536 :
said by cvrefugee See Profile :

said by DMS1 See Profile :

It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide.
I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds?
having a cutesy device with an apple logo on it.
just slap an apple logo on something and people will flock to it paying double/triple what its really worth.
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ed. corrected info]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18571708 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:51:32 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18571433 DMS1 :
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Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.
Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included).
I guess a lot of Asia is in North America now :uhh:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all the Asian CDMA systems W-CDMA, which is different from the CDMA and CDMA2000 systems used in North America?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18571433 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:07:14 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18571056 AdamB :
said by DMS1 See Profile :

said by cvrefugee See Profile :

Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.
Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included).
I guess a lot of Asia is in North America now :uhh:
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Very simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570808 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:06:08 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570781 cvrefugee :
said by DMS1 See Profile :

It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide.
I don't travel outside of North America, so what's the allure of purchasing a $600 phone that has shitty data speeds?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570781 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:02:13 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570628 DMS1 :
said by cvrefugee See Profile :

said by DMS1 See Profile :

said by cvrefugee See Profile :

Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.
Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included).
I thought it was only being released in North America, my mistake.
It's not where it's being released, but where it can be used. If you travel outside North America with a CDMA phone it becomes a useless paperweight, whereas GSM phones work world-wide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570628 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:34:17 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570595 cvrefugee :
said by DMS1 See Profile :

said by cvrefugee See Profile :

Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.
Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included).
I thought it was only being released in North America, my mistake.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570595 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:29:03 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570467 DMS1 :
said by cvrefugee See Profile :

Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.
Because CDMA is only of use in North America, which renders it a non-starter for a lot of potential customers (myself included).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570467 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:04:00 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570309 cvrefugee : Tell me again why Apple didn't go with a CDMA carrier (Sprint/Verizon) so they could have faster EVDO speeds? I can't remember.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18570309 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:38:39 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18569131 ColorBASIC : Compared to what? Per KB? Absolutely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18569131 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:11:01 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18569114 VansHSI : Does unlimited even matter when you're on edge? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18569114 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:08:03 EDT Re: Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18568975 Titus Pullo : I'll say it for the first time: I've seen enough at this point to state that I think Apple has miscalculated a wee bit on this venture
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I use plenty of data on AT&T, and have never seen a "letter".

Is using iTunes OPTIONAL to activate the phone? Geez...I guess that Apple/AT&T figured calling a number was too hard....
Yes it is optional. You can activate at the store the usual way, with the salesman doing it.
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They haven't yet. I haven't, nor have I heard of anyone getting an abuse letter from AT&T for excessive use.
True true... and to be fair to AT&T, if they were doing this, we'd be hearing more about it here, as we have with Comcast and Verizon. It is entirely possible that AT&T won't care about unlimited data.
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25-26GB
Yea you're right... I forgot to convert kb to b (and multiply by 1024).

I guess AT&T will be cracking down on unlimited users then :D
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said by Matt See Profile :

What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial?
Perhaps they have it cached in the device :)
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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. :)
Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte.
What is that, the ONE YouTube video they are touting in their commercial?

"This is YouTube on your phone. It'll take a month to buffer before you can watch it, but it'll eventually come in."
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said by Jeffrey See Profile :

So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. :)
Actually, AT&T could probably get away with billing the service as unlimited without actually cracking down on people. EDGE is so slow (80kbps, I don't know how they made up 200kpbs) that there is no way most users will reach any limit. Even if a user is on the data connection continuously, the worst they will do is download about 25MB to 26MB a month. This assumes 80kbps as the speed, 86400 seconds in a day, 30 days in a month, 8 bits in a byte and 1048576 bytes to a megabyte.

ed. Bad Math - blame lack of coffee.
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Is using iTunes OPTIONAL to activate the phone? Geez...I guess that Apple/AT&T figured calling a number was too hard....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18568740 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:47:52 EDT Unlimited :) http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18568726 Jeffrey : So what are the limits on the unlimited data? Anyone find it yet in the small print? I have a feeling we're going to see one of those invisible verizon unlimited limits. May be I'm wrong, but come on--no such thing as unlimited. :)

I'll say it again, I like the way that phone looks and I hope Apple does well with it. The geek factor seems pretty high on it, but it's just not for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18568726 Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:45:49 EDT