tc1uscg
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Re: Nine Alternatives To Apple's iPhone
said by wmcbrine  :said by tc1uscg :It's slow, clunky and costly. You can call it many things, but "clunky" is not one of them. It's really not slow, either, except for the Edge thing (and it also does WiFi) -- 620 MHz ARM processor. I can pretty much bet if the phone was from, say Creative Labs, there wouldn't be much, if any, media frenzy about it. Indeed not, because there's zero chance that Creative Labs would ever produce anything like it. It just appears that when apple takes a dump, there are scores of people standing around to say "oh my god, what a new inovative pile of poop. And scores of other people standing around waiting to declare any new Apple product "poop", no matter how Insanely Great it really is. Oh well. I'm still waiting for someone to point out what is so great about this phone (other then it's marketing) that commands it's high price for as little as it does or lacks.. But hey, it's got a cool screen to keep you busy  and if other manufactures come out with phones that let you stroke the screen.. then I guess that's a plus.  |
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wmcbrine
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said by tc1uscg :It's slow, clunky and costly. You can call it many things, but "clunky" is not one of them. It's really not slow, either, except for the Edge thing (and it also does WiFi) -- 620 MHz ARM processor.
I can pretty much bet if the phone was from, say Creative Labs, there wouldn't be much, if any, media frenzy about it. Indeed not, because there's zero chance that Creative Labs would ever produce anything like it.
It just appears that when apple takes a dump, there are scores of people standing around to say "oh my god, what a new inovative pile of poop. And scores of other people standing around waiting to declare any new Apple product "poop", no matter how Insanely Great it really is.
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
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said by ColorBASIC :Or you're stupid enough to pay that for one on eBay. Meanwhile my Treo 700W was $600 when I got it so I don't see the iPhone as overpriced for its claimed feature set. But didn't you get any rebates? |
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tc1uscg
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said by wmcbrine :said by tc1uscg :But there are 9 phones that can do what the whyPhone can't. Yeah, sure. But no sense of aesthetics in any of them. How nice is it to download at 3g speeds, when it means you have to view the result on a Windows CE device? The iPhone isn't perfect. It's just radically better... scratch that... it's really just in a different category. If the iPhone is what you want, you will not be remotely happy with any of the nine. And possibly, if you need something like GPS, you won't be satisfied with the iPhone. But if you had one, and traded it for one of the nine, I think you'd regret it. By the time Apple is ready for 3g.. 4G will be the norm.. 
But that's the whole point. What does this phone REALLY offer minus the touch screen, that other phones don't offer? It's slow, clunky and costly. I can pretty much bet if the phone was from, say Creative Labs, there wouldn't be much, if any, media frenzy about it. It just appears that when apple takes a dump, there are scores of people standing around to say "oh my god, what a new inovative pile of poop. This is really going to be big. We gotta have it. It so raises the bar on stink"... |
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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
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said by phattieg :Dude, $600 can buy you a damn laptop. At least with that, you can place free calls thru VoIP from a free internet connection at a hotspot. It's a bit less convenient to carry around, though.
It's feature set isn't all THAT spectacular. If you look at it just as a feature set, maybe not. But you have to see the device as a whole. There is nothing like it.
One feature, the touch screen, shouldn't be sold short. This isn't like what you're used to from Palm or Windows CE devices. It's multitouch -- kinda like the Microsoft Surface, only smaller, cheaper, and here now. See the demos where the guy "grabs" a picture with his fingers, stretches it and turns it? You've never done that before.
The arguments against the iPhone (yours and others') all seem to be from a "pragmatic" viewpoint, which kind of misses the point. No one needs an iPhone. It's purely about technophilia.
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said by ColorBASIC :Or you're stupid enough to pay that for one on eBay. Meanwhile my Treo 700W was $600 when I got it so I don't see the iPhone as overpriced for its claimed feature set. Dude, $600 can buy you a damn laptop. At least with that, you can place free calls thru VoIP from a free internet connection at a hotspot. They make mobile broadband cards too. I still can't believe people want to pay that much. It's feature set isn't all THAT spectacular. Quad band, touch screen phone with an iPod tethered into the phones motherboard. No removable storage. Locked to one network, with no firmware made that is certified by Apple to work with another GSM provider. It's stuck on GSM in the first place, making EDGE the only available data service, which sucks. The operating system is proprietary as hell. Leave it in your pocket, and find out that you called 8 of your friends by bumping into the screen thru your clothes. Finger prints all over the screen from pressing it. Slow ass iTunes has to be installed on your PC, also meaning you have to agree to take the Apple Media Player software, including QuickTime, just to activate it. Enough of my rant, but point blank, screw that phone. And people here are actually arguing back that it's worth it? Have fun with that piece of ........ Lord knows you won't be loving it when you cancel with AT&T, or your service gets shut off for non-payment due to the fact the phone costs so much $$$.
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said by jersey7 :what other network??? there's only T-Mobile and AT&T as GSM. Last time I checked, AT&T has the largest "digital" voice and data coverage in the nation. Don't get that confused now. No, there are several carriers across the US who use GSM as well. Some are- AT&T Affiliate Edge Wireless, Chinook Wireless, Einstein PCS, Three Rivers Wireless, Cellular one of San Luis Obispo, Alltel (for roamers only), and there are many more.
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wmcbrine
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| reply to tc1uscg
said by tc1uscg :But there are 9 phones that can do what the whyPhone can't. Yeah, sure. But no sense of aesthetics in any of them. How nice is it to download at 3g speeds, when it means you have to view the result on a Windows CE device?
The iPhone isn't perfect. It's just radically better... scratch that... it's really just in a different category. If the iPhone is what you want, you will not be remotely happy with any of the nine. And possibly, if you need something like GPS, you won't be satisfied with the iPhone. But if you had one, and traded it for one of the nine, I think you'd regret it.
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
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said by wmcbrine :said by Anonymous_ :i am talking about ebay Price There's no reason to pay that. Nor to wait in line. Apple will keep making these as long as they sell. It's not a limited edition. The worst that happens is that you wait a few weeks... but probably not even that. (So, in other words, these people are nuts.) But, having seen the iPhone and seen other phones, there aren't nine other phones that can do what it does, nor even one, at any price. But there are 9 phones that can do what the whyPhone can't. |
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jersey7
join:2007-05-14
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what other network???
there's only T-Mobile and AT&T as GSM.
Last time I checked, AT&T has the largest "digital" voice and data coverage in the nation. Don't get that confused now. |
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Iridium
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Los Angeles, CA
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said by dadkins :$600.00 *AND* it only works on AT&T? Screw that! You can get it unlocked.
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Re: For Posterity
said by dogma :eBay apparently took this down, but it was fun while it lasted. Free shipping? Sweet!
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matrix3D
join:2006-09-27
Deep River, CT | reply to wmcbrine
Re: Nine Alternatives To Apple's iPhone
I'll wait for iPhone 2. It's bullsh*t that the Europeans get HSDPA and we get EDGE... not to mention the crappy non-replaceable battery that forces you to always be near a power plug. |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | reply to TKJunkMail
Verizon says they have 18 phones that do what the iphone does. They just don't have large, touch-sensitive screens. |
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NOCMan
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Flower Mound, TX
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Care to back that up with any independent studies?
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That's right because Verizon and T-Mobile usually top them. Do not get confused when AT&T goes to town saying they're the best with part of the evaluation that in some bum Egypt market comes up with AT&T a .01 percentage point ahead. That's about 10 calls that did not have an issue out of a few hundred.
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RailRoadDude
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join:2002-04-02
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said by itguy05 :Cingular is better than "It's the Notwork" (Verizon), "The least powerful" (Sprint), T-blobile, or "We cover the places nobody lives in" (Alltel) You mean YOU don't live there, at least be specific. For someone who lives in a rural, less populated area, I appreciate carriers (like AT&T Affiliate Edge Wireless and US Cellular, two of the three carriers here, Verizon being the third) that cover us "unimportant" people. |
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wmcbrine
Touched by His Noodly Appendage
join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
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Re: Nine Alternatives To Apple's iPhone
said by Anonymous_ :i am talking about ebay Price There's no reason to pay that. Nor to wait in line. Apple will keep making these as long as they sell. It's not a limited edition. The worst that happens is that you wait a few weeks... but probably not even that. (So, in other words, these people are nuts.)
But, having seen the iPhone and seen other phones, there aren't nine other phones that can do what it does, nor even one, at any price.
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dogma
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For Posterity
eBay bid at 6:20pm PT 6/29/07 |
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Re: Nine Alternatives To Apple's iPhone
said by itguy05 :Cingular is better than "It's the Notwork" (Verizon), "The least powerful" (Sprint), T-blobile, or "We cover the places nobody lives in" (Alltel) Better than Sprint ? Maybe in PA. I'll take Sprint over ATT any day. Especially when I'm doing anything data related (ie - Treo, Blackberry, etc.), it is Sprint or it is slow as molasses.
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