ColorBASIC
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1 edit | Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
My heart bleeds for the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. It's the iTunes store being, I believe the #3 music retailer, not the iPhone giving the phone so-called clout.
The flat rate $1/song model of iTunes is good for consumers and the RIAA has been fighting Apple to try and get tiered pricing for quite a while with Jobs simply flipping them the bird.
I messed around with a friend's iPhone last night and it's way cool. I'm definately going to stop by the Apple store some time next week and pick one up.
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WileEC
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| What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?
Apple is a for-profit company (and woah, really for-profit considering how much they hose the average Mac/iPud/iBone owner for). 2nd, not everyone subscribes to their sales model. I personally would NEVER buy from iTunes. I have a Rio Karma, probably one of the best MP3 players ever (not that any Apple fanboi would agree or even have knowledge of what a Rio Karma is) - point is that not everyone owns an iPud. Many people have many players from many companies. Why should Apple have any control over what I do?
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qworster
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1 edit | reply to ColorBASIC
I don't want to spoil your party...
But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes.
The artist/singer get 7 cents to split. |
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peter_m
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by WileEC  :What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA? The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.
Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want  |
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WileEC
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| said by peter_m :The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song. The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed.
said by peter_m :Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online.
said by peter_m :Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it.
Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard.
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WALL_E
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| You'll be taken more seriously if you refrain from using childish name-replacement.
It's not even that I disagree with you (which I do, but that is beside the point), but make your point in a mature manner. As soon as many people read your comments on the "iBone", much of what you have to say becomes irrelevant.
If the iPhone, iPod and iTunes store are not well-suited to what's important to you, then by all means use what works. No reasonable Apple fan (and most are more reasonable than you expect) will care. Buy what works for you.
I'm an Apple fan, and I find myself recommending non-Apple products to people all the time if what Apple has to offer is not suited to their needs.
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M A R K
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said by WileEC :said by peter_m :The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song. The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed. said by peter_m :Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online. said by peter_m :Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it. Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard. Please get a grip
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ColorBASIC
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well.
If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish.
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ColorBASIC
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by WileEC :What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA? Uh, 'cause I get my songs for $1 instead of $18?
Apple doesn't control what you do. Don't like Apple, don't buy an iPod. Don't like Apple, don't buy from iTunes. Don't have enough money for an iPhone, buy something else.
Apple is the #3 music seller...meaning there is a 1, 2 and 4-infinity other sellers of music out there. Buy from them.
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ColorBASIC
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1 edit | reply to WileEC
I was unaware that you had a gun to your head forcing you to buy music from iTunes.
I was unaware that there was a bunch of music that was an iTunes exclusive.
Last time I checked you could still buy CDs and rip them.
Get a grip. Apple haters are free to buy music elsewhere. |
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jmn1207
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well. If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish. Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music. |
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ColorBASIC
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4 edits | Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions.
But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music.
Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars.
IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO.
Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan.
Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership.
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james
join:2001-02-26
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
A man broke into my house and made me use my credit card to buy his songs from iTunes (they were exclusive to iTunes. 
Also he said he'd kill me if I bought a cd and/or ripped it.
Then he touched my bum in a most unpleasant manner, it was awful. *cries*
How much longer are we going to subject ourselves to this kind of terror waged upon us by Iran? HOW MUCH LONGER? |
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M A R K
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| said by james :A man broke into my house and made me use my credit card to buy his songs from iTunes (they were exclusive to iTunes. Also he said he'd kill me if I bought a cd and/or ripped it. Then he touched my bum in a most unpleasant manner, it was awful. *cries* How much longer are we going to subject ourselves to this kind of terror waged upon us by Iran? HOW MUCH LONGER? GOLD!
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clickie
join:2005-05-22
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You worry too much about what other people do with their money. |
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peter_m
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2 edits | reply to WileEC
said by WileEC :The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed. The RIAA's rights have nothing to do with harassing and bullying people who can't afford to hire an entire law firm. The single mother they where about to sue into oblivion could have folded out of fear but instead she stood her ground and they (RIAA) dropped the lawsuit. They had no proof and simply used bullying tactics. What does that have to do with the RIAA's rights? What about the single mother's rights and her children's right to be raised in a stress free environment?
said by WileEC :Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online. iTunes music doesn't cost more for the average joe who was traditionally forced to pay for an entire album instead of getting the 1,2 or 3 songs he wanted... What is your point about personal information in the song files? I thought you where against pirating?
said by WileEC :As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it. Well as for opinion, well having 70% of the market is not debatable. As for missing feature, you are talking about FM tuner and mic(for voice memos)??? Well I considered the voice memo feature might come in handy some day... and it never has. I have the feature on my mobile phone and never used it. As for the FM tuner, well with about 20 pod-casts to choose from at all time plus about 1200 of my songs, I think I can live without the FM tuner. Regardless, ask yourself: If these features are so important how did they ever manage 70% of the market?
said by WileEC :Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard. If you call it a "pretty CELL PHONE" you either clearly don't understand what it really is or you clearly have no use for it. Also, I think your statement can be applied to anyone who chooses to spend money on something that has less value to your eyes.... In which case it's none of your business.
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| said by peter_m :As for missing feature, you are talking about FM tuner and mic??? Well I considered the mic might come in handy some day... and it never has. You don't use the mic on your phone? |
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peter_m
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1 edit | LOL, good catch. I meant using the mic as one would use it on a conventional MP3 player.. to record voice memos. It has been edited, thanx. |
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said by M A R K :said by WileEC :said by peter_m :The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song. The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed. said by peter_m :Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online. said by peter_m :Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it. Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard. Please get a grip He does.. He didn't stand in line to pay 600 bucks for a phone.  |
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jmn1207
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions. But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music. Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars. IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO. Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan. Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership. You are so off the mark. The RIAA cripples and controls most budding artists. They control almost every aspect of music distribution, and being in such control, they can manipulate and direct exactly what is being listened to, what is popular, and what THEY want to invest money into.
We don't need a large entity promoting an untested artist, we have other vessels that do this more than adequately. That is the problem. The RIAA wants to strip away that vessel. They want us to blindly follow their lead with regards to untested artists.
Madonna realized the oppressive nature of the major music labels and broke away. She had the money and the resources, along with the popularity to do this. These labels are not doing any artists a favor. They are manipulative and oppressive entities that have no talent on their own, but they control the distribution of pop music, and therefore have a vested interest in streaming songs and downloadable content, which directly impacts their business model. |
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