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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
Filling an iPod? Who cares? But since you ask I have about 8GB of music (about 2,000 songs, the vast majority of which purchased on iTunes) and another 10-20GB (at any one time) in iTunes movies & TV shows on my iPod. And my CD collection is small; some people have hundreds and hundreds of CDs they've been collecting since the mid 80's when CD's came out. For those people, they already own the CDs so it's free and far more convenient than racks of CDs. And those people certainly aren't done buying music.
Who is screwing the other retailers? Bigger must mean better? Yeah, when it comes to bargaining power versus the RIAA. iTunes, Wal*Mart and Best Buy are big enough to tell the RIAA no when it comes to raising prices. I personally think lower prices is better for consumers.
Who gives a sh!t which came first, iPod or P2P? It's irrelevant other than the $1 per song model helping to curb piracy by offering an alternative to buy entire albums to get a one or two decent songs.
Certainly you have a point in there somewhere but just can't seem to get to it.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by jmn1207  :said by ColorBASIC :The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well. If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish. Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music. Who doesn't have the right to self-publish?
Dirt cheap these days...think internet based.
I think my first fugazi recording was from Wax Trax Records
in chicago after their first gig was over. Free for my blank cassette (ugh). Let's not hear crying about publishing costs...the labels only give you distribution and marketing...get good or adapt...or...gasp..realize music is an art form that doesn't always pay for itself...as with all professions.
Just one opinion...
I think you might be overrating the value of your talent. Most music doesn't require "talent", just connect in some way with your audience, it'll sell, but maybe the madonna profit days are coming to a close? how far behind might be tv/movie actors and sports players be? |
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by ColorBASIC :My heart bleeds for the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. It's the iTunes store being, I believe the #3 music retailer, not the iPhone giving the phone so-called clout. The flat rate $1/song model of iTunes is good for consumers and the RIAA has been fighting Apple to try and get tiered pricing for quite a while with Jobs simply flipping them the bird. I messed around with a friend's iPhone last night and it's way cool. I'm definately going to stop by the Apple store some time next week and pick one up. Yeah for the number 3 music retailer. Screw the x,000+ retailers out there! Bigger must mean better... God only knows how sales are measured (not unlike RIAA piracy stats are measured)
Out of curiousity, do you believe the IPOD came first or the P2P and riping of CDs came first?
For fun...what is the cost of filling the lowest level IPOD?
Bonus Q: Can you afford to fill it?
Apple is a smart marketing opportuntist, as are all broadband providers...the RIAA sorta got lost in the shuffle of the former's business plans IMO. |
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said by matrix3D : ...The RIAA is one of those organizations run by those of a certain ethnicity that have figured out how to make tons of money by basically doing nothing... Who? Who I ask you! If only I could know who they were so I could learn from them  |
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Uh, just so you know, the music is NOT their intellectual property. It is the property of the ARTISTS. The RIAA only acts as a distributor which is why pretty much NONE of their cases have held up in court. The RIAA is one of those organizations run by those of a certain ethnicity that have figured out how to make tons of money by basically doing nothing (very similar to banking, insurance and other forms of the media). |
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said by dvd536 :And they charge a 30 cent premium for the non DRM version. Yes they do. But I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. Possibly was the only way they could convince the record label to accept DRM-free music file... Regardless, 3 songs at a 1.29$/song is still cheaper and more convenient then driving to a record store, spending 14$ for the CD, driving home, ripping it and then finally get to use it. |
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Like following me from thread to thread trolling like some Crayon wielding disgruntled ex-girlfriend with her panties in a bunch has become yours. No, it's just tough to not read an iThread with your iComments iDefending everything that is Mac.
It's just iHillarious.
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
I thought it was $800 |
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ColorBASIC
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It's also supposed to be a higher quality track in addition to not having DRM. |
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ColorBASIC
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
Like following me from thread to thread trolling like some Crayon wielding disgruntled ex-girlfriend with her panties in a bunch has become yours.
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said by ColorBASIC :Good for Apple, good for consumers. That has become your mantra, huh? |
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ColorBASIC
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Re: All those expenses are recoupable.
I couldn't care less. No artist of forced to sign with the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. And for those that do, I have no sympathy as the artists who sell albums and tour get rich. Those who are too lazy to tour don't.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
A billion+ song seller like iTunes that makes artists and labels rich is quite different from some noname internet streamer who is just squeaking by.
I personally think the RIAA is 'tarded for going after internet streamers. Given that OTA radio only plays a narrow line of crap, where else are you going to hear RIAA label bands like the Fratellis or Saosin (who used to not be, but is now with an RIAA label)? You won't You only hear them on college, satellite or internet radio.
But no one accused the RIAA of being smart.
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They have done it before , look at streaming radio. |
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ColorBASIC
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I'm not defending the RIAA...they're a bunch of racketeering jerkoffs who's leadership should go to Federal prison on RICO charges. As far as radio, what's radio? I'm a Sirius subscriber because I can't hear what I want on radio anymore. It's all Top 40 bubblegum garbage or Spanish language. Great stations like KROQ and KNAC are either dead or have 'tarded program directors. I also thought 'payola' was illegal and again the RIAA perps should go to prison. But terrestrial radio sucking is fine by me cause for $13 I get zillions of commercial free channels of UNCENSORED music I like and jocks I grew up with (eg Richard Blade) and far superior audio quality.
Let the RIAA try to get a hair in their ass and pull distribution from iTunes. They'll be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The RIAA membership and artists make BILLIONS off iTunes. They're just so greedy they want even more to which Apple is saying no.
Good for Apple, good for consumers.
Don't like iTunes, don't buy from iTunes. It's a very simple concept. If you're feeling chartiable and want to give the RIAA even more of your money, you are free to do so. I'm sure they won't refuse it.
Me, they'll get a dollar a song and $10 per album unless the album is really good.
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ColorBASIC
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It's a good thing that Apple is such a big seller as they have enough clout to say NO to the RIAA when the RIAA insists on raising prices.
I don't know about you, but I see not raising prices as a good thing and I think the $1 per song model is excellent for the consumer. I also have no issue with the iTunes DRM...5 computers plus iPods and phones is fine by me. Again, any consumer who isn't happy with iTunes DRM is free to buy CDs and rip them themselves or go with another online etailer who has what they want.
Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to sell their music through iTunes.
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What world do you live in ?
There is articles about how the RIAA wants to collect money from streamers and satellite companies for non riaa related music , they then would hold the money until the artist joined the RIAA. Yeah that is real fair.
Or better yet how about the RIAA and record labels using payola to get thier shit on the radio.
I fear this has wandered too far off target. But the RIAA controls the distrobution and Itunes can crumble if they get a hair across their ass. RIAA can pull thier distrobution rights.
Toby Keith was RIAA got poular enough and pulled out. Gnarles Barkley is like Finger Eleven , every once in a while one sprouts up and is able to get air play because enough fans are askig for it. Most folks nowadays really don't care and just listen to music they don't ask or try to find music that suits them.
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
Yeah , but don't buy from the russian companies because the RIAA doesn't get a cut of it and thinks it's illegal, when in fact it is legal in the country of russia where the goods are sold.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
I'm sorry but the FYE store in the mall charges $18 dollors for something that costs them $10-11. Why do they get to keep so much? Just because they pay rent at the mall??
Please as a consumer you vote with your dollars, don't like iTunes don't buy, as for me I don't like the limited selection of the music chain retailer in the mall so I don't buy there! |
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by WileEC :What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA? Apple is a for-profit company (and woah, really for-profit considering how much they hose the average Mac/iPud/iBone owner for). 2nd, not everyone subscribes to their sales model. I personally would NEVER buy from iTunes. I have a Rio Karma, probably one of the best MP3 players ever (not that any Apple fanboi would agree or even have knowledge of what a Rio Karma is) - point is that not everyone owns an iPud. Many people have many players from many companies. Why should Apple have any control over what I do? I agree. I have used Rio, Creative, then I had my LG VX-8300, then my Motorola Q, all as MP3 players. I myself like most of Apple's products, but have never been a fan of the iPod, and wasn't excited about the release of the iPhone. I dislike iTunes. I may have an inferior phone, but at least my phone manufacturer has been making phones for cellular networks, practically since the cell phone was invented. I don't "hate" Apple, though. I think it's cool they are trying this. However, I don't like a few things about it. For starters, I hate the fact that only Apple provides support. Regardless how that might strike you, I work for a cable company who supports many dfferent brands of modems, so I think that whole idea is bull. I dislike iTunes activation The $500 pricetag is rediculous. And the touch screen is not my style either. Factor in the fact that AT&T is the only provider with the damn thing, I think I'll pass. I've had a few bad experiences with that company. That phone is not worth the hassle. I want the provider to feel obligated to please me, by any means necessary, even if that means they decided to swap the phone. I don't need to argue with the idiots at Apple's technical support about signal issues, or dropped calls. Waiting on hold an avarage of 30 minutes, just to be told I have to wait 30 more minutes for an Apple rep is stupid anyway. Enjoy your $500 phone, I'll keep my $99 one. |
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