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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well.
The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass.
And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich.
The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model.
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All those expenses are recoupable.
The RIAA decides how much to spend and what to spend it on, and the artist gets to pay it out of their paltry share!
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dvd536
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by qworster  :But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes. The artist/singer get 7 cents to split. And itunes gets the rest of which they did NOTHING to earn other than place it on their servers. even pennies add up to a sweet amount if you count each purchase of songs each month.
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dvd536
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by peter_m :said by WileEC :What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA? The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song. Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want  And they charge a 30 cent premium for the non DRM version.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well. The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass. And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich. The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model. The whole point is that the RIAA is LOSING control of the distribution model. Apple IS controlling a large majority of their business. And while they are keeping the prices at an inflated level when considering the low cost of manufacturing and lack of medium creation, they want more. And not simply more money per track sold, they long for the type of control that they once mastered with regards to radio and television. |
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by WileEC :What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA? Apple is a for-profit company (and woah, really for-profit considering how much they hose the average Mac/iPud/iBone owner for). 2nd, not everyone subscribes to their sales model. I personally would NEVER buy from iTunes. I have a Rio Karma, probably one of the best MP3 players ever (not that any Apple fanboi would agree or even have knowledge of what a Rio Karma is) - point is that not everyone owns an iPud. Many people have many players from many companies. Why should Apple have any control over what I do? I agree. I have used Rio, Creative, then I had my LG VX-8300, then my Motorola Q, all as MP3 players. I myself like most of Apple's products, but have never been a fan of the iPod, and wasn't excited about the release of the iPhone. I dislike iTunes. I may have an inferior phone, but at least my phone manufacturer has been making phones for cellular networks, practically since the cell phone was invented. I don't "hate" Apple, though. I think it's cool they are trying this. However, I don't like a few things about it. For starters, I hate the fact that only Apple provides support. Regardless how that might strike you, I work for a cable company who supports many dfferent brands of modems, so I think that whole idea is bull. I dislike iTunes activation The $500 pricetag is rediculous. And the touch screen is not my style either. Factor in the fact that AT&T is the only provider with the damn thing, I think I'll pass. I've had a few bad experiences with that company. That phone is not worth the hassle. I want the provider to feel obligated to please me, by any means necessary, even if that means they decided to swap the phone. I don't need to argue with the idiots at Apple's technical support about signal issues, or dropped calls. Waiting on hold an avarage of 30 minutes, just to be told I have to wait 30 more minutes for an Apple rep is stupid anyway. Enjoy your $500 phone, I'll keep my $99 one. |
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
I'm sorry but the FYE store in the mall charges $18 dollors for something that costs them $10-11. Why do they get to keep so much? Just because they pay rent at the mall??
Please as a consumer you vote with your dollars, don't like iTunes don't buy, as for me I don't like the limited selection of the music chain retailer in the mall so I don't buy there! |
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
Yeah , but don't buy from the russian companies because the RIAA doesn't get a cut of it and thinks it's illegal, when in fact it is legal in the country of russia where the goods are sold.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
What world do you live in ?
There is articles about how the RIAA wants to collect money from streamers and satellite companies for non riaa related music , they then would hold the money until the artist joined the RIAA. Yeah that is real fair.
Or better yet how about the RIAA and record labels using payola to get thier shit on the radio.
I fear this has wandered too far off target. But the RIAA controls the distrobution and Itunes can crumble if they get a hair across their ass. RIAA can pull thier distrobution rights.
Toby Keith was RIAA got poular enough and pulled out. Gnarles Barkley is like Finger Eleven , every once in a while one sprouts up and is able to get air play because enough fans are askig for it. Most folks nowadays really don't care and just listen to music they don't ask or try to find music that suits them.
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ColorBASIC
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It's a good thing that Apple is such a big seller as they have enough clout to say NO to the RIAA when the RIAA insists on raising prices.
I don't know about you, but I see not raising prices as a good thing and I think the $1 per song model is excellent for the consumer. I also have no issue with the iTunes DRM...5 computers plus iPods and phones is fine by me. Again, any consumer who isn't happy with iTunes DRM is free to buy CDs and rip them themselves or go with another online etailer who has what they want.
Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to sell their music through iTunes.
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ColorBASIC
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I'm not defending the RIAA...they're a bunch of racketeering jerkoffs who's leadership should go to Federal prison on RICO charges. As far as radio, what's radio? I'm a Sirius subscriber because I can't hear what I want on radio anymore. It's all Top 40 bubblegum garbage or Spanish language. Great stations like KROQ and KNAC are either dead or have 'tarded program directors. I also thought 'payola' was illegal and again the RIAA perps should go to prison. But terrestrial radio sucking is fine by me cause for $13 I get zillions of commercial free channels of UNCENSORED music I like and jocks I grew up with (eg Richard Blade) and far superior audio quality.
Let the RIAA try to get a hair in their ass and pull distribution from iTunes. They'll be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The RIAA membership and artists make BILLIONS off iTunes. They're just so greedy they want even more to which Apple is saying no.
Good for Apple, good for consumers.
Don't like iTunes, don't buy from iTunes. It's a very simple concept. If you're feeling chartiable and want to give the RIAA even more of your money, you are free to do so. I'm sure they won't refuse it.
Me, they'll get a dollar a song and $10 per album unless the album is really good.
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ColorBASIC
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2 edits | A billion+ song seller like iTunes that makes artists and labels rich is quite different from some noname internet streamer who is just squeaking by.
I personally think the RIAA is 'tarded for going after internet streamers. Given that OTA radio only plays a narrow line of crap, where else are you going to hear RIAA label bands like the Fratellis or Saosin (who used to not be, but is now with an RIAA label)? You won't You only hear them on college, satellite or internet radio.
But no one accused the RIAA of being smart.
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ColorBASIC
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Re: All those expenses are recoupable.
I couldn't care less. No artist of forced to sign with the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. And for those that do, I have no sympathy as the artists who sell albums and tour get rich. Those who are too lazy to tour don't.
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Good for Apple, good for consumers. That has become your mantra, huh? |
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ColorBASIC
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
It's also supposed to be a higher quality track in addition to not having DRM. |
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I thought it was $800 |
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Re: I don't want to spoil your party...
said by ColorBASIC :Like following me from thread to thread trolling like some Crayon wielding disgruntled ex-girlfriend with her panties in a bunch has become yours. No, it's just tough to not read an iThread with your iComments iDefending everything that is Mac.
It's just iHillarious.
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Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers
said by dvd536 :And they charge a 30 cent premium for the non DRM version. Yes they do. But I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. Possibly was the only way they could convince the record label to accept DRM-free music file... Regardless, 3 songs at a 1.29$/song is still cheaper and more convenient then driving to a record store, spending 14$ for the CD, driving home, ripping it and then finally get to use it. |
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