Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18593136 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:46:23 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:46:23 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18604650 ColorBASIC : Filling an iPod? Who cares? But since you ask I have about 8GB of music (about 2,000 songs, the vast majority of which purchased on iTunes) and another 10-20GB (at any one time) in iTunes movies & TV shows on my iPod. And my CD collection is small; some people have hundreds and hundreds of CDs they've been collecting since the mid 80's when CD's came out. For those people, they already own the CDs so it's free and far more convenient than racks of CDs. And those people certainly aren't done buying music.

Who is screwing the other retailers? Bigger must mean better? Yeah, when it comes to bargaining power versus the RIAA. iTunes, Wal*Mart and Best Buy are big enough to tell the RIAA no when it comes to raising prices. I personally think lower prices is better for consumers.

Who gives a sh!t which came first, iPod or P2P? It's irrelevant other than the $1 per song model helping to curb piracy by offering an alternative to buy entire albums to get a one or two decent songs.

Certainly you have a point in there somewhere but just can't seem to get to it.
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said by jmn1207 See Profile :

said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well.

If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish.
Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music.
Who doesn't have the right to self-publish?

Dirt cheap these days...think internet based.

I think my first fugazi recording was from Wax Trax Records
in chicago after their first gig was over. Free for my blank cassette (ugh). Let's not hear crying about publishing costs...the labels only give you distribution and marketing...get good or adapt...or...gasp..realize music is an art form that doesn't always pay for itself...as with all professions.

Just one opinion...

I think you might be overrating the value of your talent. Most music doesn't require "talent", just connect in some way with your audience, it'll sell, but maybe the madonna profit days are coming to a close? how far behind might be tv/movie actors and sports players be?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18604342 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:54:02 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18604266 xsiddalx :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

My heart bleeds for the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. It's the iTunes store being, I believe the #3 music retailer, not the iPhone giving the phone so-called clout.

The flat rate $1/song model of iTunes is good for consumers and the RIAA has been fighting Apple to try and get tiered pricing for quite a while with Jobs simply flipping them the bird.

I messed around with a friend's iPhone last night and it's way cool. I'm definately going to stop by the Apple store some time next week and pick one up.
Yeah for the number 3 music retailer. Screw the x,000+ retailers out there! Bigger must mean better... God only knows how sales are measured (not unlike RIAA piracy stats are measured)

Out of curiousity, do you believe the IPOD came first or the P2P and riping of CDs came first?

For fun...what is the cost of filling the lowest level IPOD?
Bonus Q: Can you afford to fill it?

Apple is a smart marketing opportuntist, as are all broadband providers...the RIAA sorta got lost in the shuffle of the former's business plans IMO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18604266 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:40:55 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18599804 peter_m :
said by matrix3D See Profile :

...The RIAA is one of those organizations run by those of a certain ethnicity that have figured out how to make tons of money by basically doing nothing...
Who? Who I ask you! If only I could know who they were so I could learn from them :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18599804 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 02:16:57 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18597453 matrix3D : Uh, just so you know, the music is NOT their intellectual property. It is the property of the ARTISTS. The RIAA only acts as a distributor which is why pretty much NONE of their cases have held up in court. The RIAA is one of those organizations run by those of a certain ethnicity that have figured out how to make tons of money by basically doing nothing (very similar to banking, insurance and other forms of the media).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18597453 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:12:28 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596461 peter_m :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

And they charge a 30 cent premium for the non DRM version.
Yes they do. But I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. Possibly was the only way they could convince the record label to accept DRM-free music file... Regardless, 3 songs at a 1.29$/song is still cheaper and more convenient then driving to a record store, spending 14$ for the CD, driving home, ripping it and then finally get to use it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596461 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:28:07 EDT Re: I don't want to spoil your party... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18596154 ptrowski :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Like following me from thread to thread trolling like some Crayon wielding disgruntled ex-girlfriend with her panties in a bunch has become yours.
No, it's just tough to not read an iThread with your iComments iDefending everything that is Mac.

It's just iHillarious.
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Good for Apple, good for consumers.
That has become your mantra, huh? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595995 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:09:53 EDT Re: All those expenses are recoupable. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595892 ColorBASIC :
said by qworster See Profile :

The RIAA decides how much to spend and what to spend it on, and the artist gets to pay it out of their paltry share!

Don't believe me? Read these:

»www.negativland.com/albini.html

»archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2···14/love/
I couldn't care less. No artist of forced to sign with the bloodsuckers at the RIAA. And for those that do, I have no sympathy as the artists who sell albums and tour get rich. Those who are too lazy to tour don't.
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I personally think the RIAA is 'tarded for going after internet streamers. Given that OTA radio only plays a narrow line of crap, where else are you going to hear RIAA label bands like the Fratellis or Saosin (who used to not be, but is now with an RIAA label)? You won't You only hear them on college, satellite or internet radio.

But no one accused the RIAA of being smart.
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Let the RIAA try to get a hair in their ass and pull distribution from iTunes. They'll be cutting off their nose to spite their face. The RIAA membership and artists make BILLIONS off iTunes. They're just so greedy they want even more to which Apple is saying no.

Good for Apple, good for consumers.

Don't like iTunes, don't buy from iTunes. It's a very simple concept. If you're feeling chartiable and want to give the RIAA even more of your money, you are free to do so. I'm sure they won't refuse it.

Me, they'll get a dollar a song and $10 per album unless the album is really good.

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I don't know about you, but I see not raising prices as a good thing and I think the $1 per song model is excellent for the consumer. I also have no issue with the iTunes DRM...5 computers plus iPods and phones is fine by me. Again, any consumer who isn't happy with iTunes DRM is free to buy CDs and rip them themselves or go with another online etailer who has what they want.

Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to sell their music through iTunes.
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There is articles about how the RIAA wants to collect money from streamers and satellite companies for non riaa related music , they then would hold the money until the artist joined the RIAA. Yeah that is real fair.

Or better yet how about the RIAA and record labels using payola to get thier shit on the radio.

I fear this has wandered too far off target. But the RIAA controls the distrobution and Itunes can crumble if they get a hair across their ass. RIAA can pull thier distrobution rights.

Toby Keith was RIAA got poular enough and pulled out. Gnarles Barkley is like Finger Eleven , every once in a while one sprouts up and is able to get air play because enough fans are askig for it. Most folks nowadays really don't care and just listen to music they don't ask or try to find music that suits them.
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Please as a consumer you vote with your dollars, don't like iTunes don't buy, as for me I don't like the limited selection of the music chain retailer in the mall so I don't buy there!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595757 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:33:14 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595196 phattieg :
said by WileEC See Profile :

What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?

Apple is a for-profit company (and woah, really for-profit considering how much they hose the average Mac/iPud/iBone owner for). 2nd, not everyone subscribes to their sales model. I personally would NEVER buy from iTunes. I have a Rio Karma, probably one of the best MP3 players ever (not that any Apple fanboi would agree or even have knowledge of what a Rio Karma is) - point is that not everyone owns an iPud. Many people have many players from many companies. Why should Apple have any control over what I do?
I agree. I have used Rio, Creative, then I had my LG VX-8300, then my Motorola Q, all as MP3 players. I myself like most of Apple's products, but have never been a fan of the iPod, and wasn't excited about the release of the iPhone. I dislike iTunes. I may have an inferior phone, but at least my phone manufacturer has been making phones for cellular networks, practically since the cell phone was invented. I don't "hate" Apple, though. I think it's cool they are trying this. However, I don't like a few things about it. For starters, I hate the fact that only Apple provides support. Regardless how that might strike you, I work for a cable company who supports many dfferent brands of modems, so I think that whole idea is bull. I dislike iTunes activation The $500 pricetag is rediculous. And the touch screen is not my style either. Factor in the fact that AT&T is the only provider with the damn thing, I think I'll pass. I've had a few bad experiences with that company. That phone is not worth the hassle. I want the provider to feel obligated to please me, by any means necessary, even if that means they decided to swap the phone. I don't need to argue with the idiots at Apple's technical support about signal issues, or dropped calls. Waiting on hold an avarage of 30 minutes, just to be told I have to wait 30 more minutes for an Apple rep is stupid anyway. Enjoy your $500 phone, I'll keep my $99 one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595196 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:43:25 EDT Re: I don't want to spoil your party... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595173 jmn1207 :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well.

The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass.

And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich.

The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model.
The whole point is that the RIAA is LOSING control of the distribution model. Apple IS controlling a large majority of their business. And while they are keeping the prices at an inflated level when considering the low cost of manufacturing and lack of medium creation, they want more. And not simply more money per track sold, they long for the type of control that they once mastered with regards to radio and television.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18595173 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:33:40 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594958 dvd536 :
said by peter_m See Profile :

said by WileEC See Profile :

What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?
The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.

Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want :p
And they charge a 30 cent premium for the non DRM version.
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said by qworster See Profile :

But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes.

The artist/singer get 7 cents to split.
And itunes gets the rest of which they did NOTHING to earn other than place it on their servers. even pennies add up to a sweet amount if you count each purchase of songs each month.
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Don't believe me? Read these:

»www.negativland.com/albini.html

»archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2···14/love/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594881 Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:15:41 EDT Re: I don't want to spoil your party... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594554 ColorBASIC : Toby Keith isn't with an RIAA label and doesn't appear to be living in a refrigerator box eating dog food...White Trash with Money was #2 Billboard without the RIAA. Gnarls Barkley gets plenty of airplay without the RIAA as well.

The RIAA doesn't control what I listen to and no artist is forced to sign with an RIAA member label. Artists not wanting to pay the RIAA member label just have to be willing to do the work the label does (promotion, networking, getting the music out there). I hear plenty of indie music on Sirius and on the internet that isn't from RIAA labels. But then again I don't listen to Top 40 because Top 40 music for the most part sucks ass.

And despite their best efforts, the RIAA doesn't seem to be able to control Steve Jobs and iTunes. Music is still $1 a song and RIAA artists are filthy rich.

The whole point is the RIAA DOESN'T control distribution. They're worried that Apple will be controlling phone music distribution and the history of Apple and iTunes that I've seen is that they refuse any price increase from the current $1/song model.
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions.

But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music.

Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars.

IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO.

Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan.

Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership.

You are so off the mark. The RIAA cripples and controls most budding artists. They control almost every aspect of music distribution, and being in such control, they can manipulate and direct exactly what is being listened to, what is popular, and what THEY want to invest money into.

We don't need a large entity promoting an untested artist, we have other vessels that do this more than adequately. That is the problem. The RIAA wants to strip away that vessel. They want us to blindly follow their lead with regards to untested artists.

Madonna realized the oppressive nature of the major music labels and broke away. She had the money and the resources, along with the popularity to do this. These labels are not doing any artists a favor. They are manipulative and oppressive entities that have no talent on their own, but they control the distribution of pop music, and therefore have a vested interest in streaming songs and downloadable content, which directly impacts their business model.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594466 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:29:57 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594331 tc1uscg :
said by M A R K See Profile :

said by WileEC See Profile :

said by peter_m See Profile :

The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.
The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want :p
Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product.
As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it.

Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard.
Please get a grip
:D He does.. He didn't stand in line to pay 600 bucks for a phone. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594331 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:57:23 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594315 peter_m : LOL, good catch. I meant using the mic as one would use it on a conventional MP3 player.. to record voice memos. It has been edited, thanx.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594315 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:53:00 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594302 Aidens Daddy :
said by peter_m See Profile :

As for missing feature, you are talking about FM tuner and mic??? Well I considered the mic might come in handy some day... and it never has.
You don't use the mic on your phone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594302 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:50:22 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594261 peter_m :
said by WileEC See Profile :

The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed.
The RIAA's rights have nothing to do with harassing and bullying people who can't afford to hire an entire law firm. The single mother they where about to sue into oblivion could have folded out of fear but instead she stood her ground and they (RIAA) dropped the lawsuit. They had no proof and simply used bullying tactics. What does that have to do with the RIAA's rights? What about the single mother's rights and her children's right to be raised in a stress free environment?

said by WileEC See Profile :

Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online.
iTunes music doesn't cost more for the average joe who was traditionally forced to pay for an entire album instead of getting the 1,2 or 3 songs he wanted... What is your point about personal information in the song files? I thought you where against pirating?

said by WileEC See Profile :

As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it.
Well as for opinion, well having 70% of the market is not debatable. As for missing feature, you are talking about FM tuner and mic(for voice memos)??? Well I considered the voice memo feature might come in handy some day... and it never has. I have the feature on my mobile phone and never used it. As for the FM tuner, well with about 20 pod-casts to choose from at all time plus about 1200 of my songs, I think I can live without the FM tuner. Regardless, ask yourself: If these features are so important how did they ever manage 70% of the market?

said by WileEC See Profile :

Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard.
If you call it a "pretty CELL PHONE" you either clearly don't understand what it really is or you clearly have no use for it. Also, I think your statement can be applied to anyone who chooses to spend money on something that has less value to your eyes.... In which case it's none of your business.

Peace :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594261 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:41:04 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594160 clickie : You worry too much about what other people do with their money.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594160 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:11:49 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18594101 M A R K :
said by james See Profile :

A man broke into my house and made me use my credit card to buy his songs from iTunes (they were exclusive to iTunes. :(
Also he said he'd kill me if I bought a cd and/or ripped it.
Then he touched my bum in a most unpleasant manner, it was awful. *cries*

How much longer are we going to subject ourselves to this kind of terror waged upon us by Iran? HOW MUCH LONGER?
GOLD!
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Also he said he'd kill me if I bought a cd and/or ripped it.
Then he touched my bum in a most unpleasant manner, it was awful. *cries*

How much longer are we going to subject ourselves to this kind of terror waged upon us by Iran? HOW MUCH LONGER?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593995 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:25:51 EDT Re: I don't want to spoil your party... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593870 ColorBASIC : Wow, the concept of an artist having to actual WORK for their money is shocking to some people. Some artists just expect to do a recording session and the money should just flow in by the millions.

But if you want to take advantage of RIAA's immense and expensive to support resources, and you want the RIAA membership to risk millions putting together an album and promoting an untested artist so that you dont' have to do all that work, it will cost you .70 of a dollar and you make the bulk of your money actually PLAYING your music for those fans you expect to buy your music.

Any artist that is so lazy that they're not willing to do any work doesn't deserve zillions of dollars.

IOW, that .70 buys the artist the "resources and financial backing" and in exchange, if their music is good, the artist stands to make MILLIONS touring the nation or world playing for their fans. That's a fair deal IMO.

Resources and financial backing are expensive...just look at how much interest you pay on a home mortgage over the life of the loan.

Meanwhile Madonna looks to have done pretty well under the oppressive thumb of the RIAA membership.

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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

The artist gets money from touring as well. If their music is popular, they will do very well. If their music sucks, the music publisher who did the investing and took the risk loses money as well.

If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish.
Who, in there right mind, can self-publish? Who has the type of resources and financial backing to make it on their own? Madonna? The music industry has always been, for the most part, a brutal industry for newcomers. Why should any talented artist be forced to hit the road to make a living? If the music is good and enough people can hear it, buy it, and play it, that should be more than enough to have a lucrative business for any budding creator of music.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593840 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:33:44 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593816 ColorBASIC : I was unaware that you had a gun to your head forcing you to buy music from iTunes.

I was unaware that there was a bunch of music that was an iTunes exclusive.

Last time I checked you could still buy CDs and rip them.

Get a grip. Apple haters are free to buy music elsewhere.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593816 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:27:03 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593807 ColorBASIC :
said by WileEC See Profile :

What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?
Uh, 'cause I get my songs for $1 instead of $18?

Apple doesn't control what you do. Don't like Apple, don't buy an iPod. Don't like Apple, don't buy from iTunes. Don't have enough money for an iPhone, buy something else.

Apple is the #3 music seller...meaning there is a 1, 2 and 4-infinity other sellers of music out there. Buy from them.
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If the artist thinks they are getting a raw deal, they can sign with a different label or self publish.
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said by WileEC See Profile :

said by peter_m See Profile :

The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.
The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want :p
Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product.
As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it.

Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard.
Please get a grip
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Neturei Karta]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593775 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:14:21 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18593136 WALL_E : You'll be taken more seriously if you refrain from using childish name-replacement.

It's not even that I disagree with you (which I do, but that is beside the point), but make your point in a mature manner. As soon as many people read your comments on the "iBone", much of what you have to say becomes irrelevant.

If the iPhone, iPod and iTunes store are not well-suited to what's important to you, then by all means use what works. No reasonable Apple fan (and most are more reasonable than you expect) will care. Buy what works for you.

I'm an Apple fan, and I find myself recommending non-Apple products to people all the time if what Apple has to offer is not suited to their needs.
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said by peter_m See Profile :

The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.
The RIAA has every right to defend their intellectual property. People want to share copyrighted music online, which is against United States and international laws, they get caught, they get sued. Case closed.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want :p
Apple sells DRM free music that (1) costs more than non-drm music and (2) contains your personal information in an effort to keep people from trading it online.
said by peter_m See Profile :

Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product.
As far as well-designed, that is easily debatable and based on opinion. How is an iBone well designed when it lacks basic features found on most inexpensive modern cell phones such a voice dialing (a feature I use ALL THE TIME), changeable ring tones, replaceable battery, etc? Sorry, but its all iHype and smart people aren't buying into it.

Anyone stupid enough to THROW AWAY $600 on a pretty CELL PHONE is an iTard.
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said by WileEC See Profile :

What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?
The RIAA regularly sue deceased people and single mothers for no apparent reason. RIAA wants your bank account to be deducted every time you hum a song.

Apple want to make money in exchange for a unique, well designed and functional product. Apple sells DRM free music so you can stick it where ever you want :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18592840 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 15:16:19 EDT I don't want to spoil your party... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18592747 qworster : But the RIAA gets 70 cents of every 99 cents spent for a song on iTunes.

The artist/singer get 7 cents to split.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18592747 Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:55:54 EDT Re: Awe, poor RIAA having trouble gouging customers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18592717 WileEC : What makes you think Apple is any better than the RIAA?

Apple is a for-profit company (and woah, really for-profit considering how much they hose the average Mac/iPud/iBone owner for). 2nd, not everyone subscribes to their sales model. I personally would NEVER buy from iTunes. I have a Rio Karma, probably one of the best MP3 players ever (not that any Apple fanboi would agree or even have knowledge of what a Rio Karma is) - point is that not everyone owns an iPud. Many people have many players from many companies. Why should Apple have any control over what I do?
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The flat rate $1/song model of iTunes is good for consumers and the RIAA has been fighting Apple to try and get tiered pricing for quite a while with Jobs simply flipping them the bird.

I messed around with a friend's iPhone last night and it's way cool. I'm definately going to stop by the Apple store some time next week and pick one up.
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