Cabal
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| Since I know *someone* will make the mistake...
No, it's not entrapment. Neither the MPAA nor Media Defender are law enforcement agencies.
It definitely made me smile, though.
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TheWickerMan
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| said by Cabal  : Neither the MPAA nor Media Defender are law enforcement agencies. They seem to think they are. |
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jc1350
join:2004-09-23 | reply to Cabal
It may not be entrapment, but it should be illegal under the various computer abuse/fraud laws since they are literally spreading a trojan horse and misrepresenting the code they are offering. |
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Maxo
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| said by jc1350 :It may not be entrapment, but it should be illegal under the various computer abuse/fraud laws since they are literally spreading a trojan horse and misrepresenting the code they are offering. I concur. This is spyware at it's worst. I would be interested to get ahold of the program they offered and run it in a VM to see if there's anything in the EULA that explains itself.
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Mactron
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said by Cabal :No, it's not entrapment... Your kidding... Right ?..
Sadly, probably not.  
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Maxo
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| said by Mactron :said by Cabal :No, it's not entrapment... Your kidding... Right ?.. Sadly, probably not. Why would he be kidding? Entrapment is something a person of law enforcement does. If the police had setup this site then it would have been entrapment.
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Mactron
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CM94sv | When this lands in court, and it probably will. 
We'll see. |
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Maxo
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Maxo
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Some help for you.
said by »www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm :ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case. |
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Cabal
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said by Mactron :said by Cabal :No, it's not entrapment... Your kidding... Right ?.. Sadly, probably not. I hear dictionaries do more than prop up table legs, you might want to look into it.
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Mactron
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| said by Cabal :I hear dictionaries... Since you've only "hear" about them. Ever owned or read one ?
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Noah Vail
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Lorton, VA
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Thanks Cabal!
said by Cabal :said by Mactron :said by Cabal :No, it's not entrapment... Your kidding... Right ?.. Sadly, probably not. I hear dictionaries do more than prop up table legs, you might want to look into it. When you beat your wife, that's Domestic Abuse or Domestic Battery. That's a bad thing.
But when you have your neighbor beat your wife, that's battery w/ assault. That's a different thing.
Since the abuse comes from a different source, that makes it NOT domestic battery. Therefore it must be legal, ethical and generally a good thing to do; at least by your logic.
Well, go right on ahead then.
NV
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N3OGH
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Re: Since I know *someone* will make the mistake...
Maxo's right.
Unless law enforcement is doing the enticing, it's not entrapment.
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N3OGH
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Re: Thanks Cabal!
said by Noah Vail :When you beat your wife, that's Domestic Abuse or Domestic Battery. That's a bad thing. But when you have your neighbor beat your wife, that's battery w/ assault. That's a different thing. Since the abuse comes from a different source, that makes it NOT domestic battery. Therefore it must be legal, ethical and generally a good thing to do; at least by your logic. Well, go right on ahead then. NV It's not a matter of legal or ethical. I don't think anyone is arguing FOR the RIAA here. It's despicable what they are doing, but.
You make his case for him.
True, if you beat your wife, it's domestic violence. If your neighbor beats your wife, it's assault. Both are bad.
But, if you beat your wife you'll be subject to a PFA, taking away quite a few of your civil rights, primarily your right to possess a deadly weapon.
If your neighbor beats your wife, he will not be subject to such restrictions. The end result (beaten wife) is the same, but the crimes are different.
Just as in this case, it is NOT entrapment. Only law enforcement can "entrap" people. It doesn't make it right, but that's just the law...
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Noah Vail
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| His point is because it was a source other than law enforcement it was ethically and legally a really good thing to do.
That is, as long as the source changes, the ethics of the action changes.
Unless I missed the part where he condemned Big Media for using malware techniques to further along a financial goal.
NV
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cableties
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Wait. Not good analogy. One, you aren't married or have a wife (you don't own the movie or song). So unless, you are looking for the wife to beat... |
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Noah Vail
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| The analogy is good for the point it makes, which is short and easily understandable.
That point is: You change the source of the abuse and you change the ethics of the abuse.
Cabal says true, I say false. The analogy serves to make that point.
Of course the analogy fails, once you take it places it wasn't designed to go.
Have you considered actually addressing the point of the debate?
NV
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N3OGH
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Kearnstd
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Re: Since I know *someone* will make the mistake...
how does this program know something is pirated, i mean i could just as easy rip a DVD to my laptop HDD for example for a long trip where i dont wanna lose or damage the optical media. and this ripping is 100% legal under US Copyright law's Fair Use clause.
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sporkme
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| said by Kearnstd :and this ripping is 100% legal under US Copyright law's Fair Use clause. And 100% illegal under the DMCA.
Which wins? |
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