| take the MPAA approach I wish I had the skills to fight back against this kind of craziness. Why doesn't someone just mount a huge offensive against these companies i.e. dos or ddos. In Europe and Korea these types of tactics are growing against companies who do not want to play fair. I have no problem setting up dummy websites but the minute you start hacking our PC's to gather information, then all bets are off. I would be interesting to go through the dumpster of Media Defender and see what info could be gathered there i.e. employee names, MPAA contacts, etc. I guess it is time to start reading the "neworder" website again and learn a few tricks. Just remember MPAA/RIAA, we did not start this, YOU DID!
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openbox9
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Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | said by ossito16:Just remember MPAA/RIAA, we did not start this, YOU DID! So the **AAs started this by forcing the unauthorized redistribution of copyrighted content? |
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| said by openbox9:said by ossito16:Just remember MPAA/RIAA, we did not start this, YOU DID! So the **AAs started this by forcing the unauthorized redistribution of copyrighted content? no they did not, that is why I said the site itself was fair, but false representation of the software in order to steal information is not fair. i believe if they take a heavy handed approach then we have the right to strike back |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I agree that the spyware software and methods used to extract information is arguably illegal, but two wrongs does not make a right. |
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No they started it with price fixing, using the laws to enforce an outdated business model, corruption of the American legal system, the list goes on and on and on.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | said by grandpinaple:No they started it with price fixing, using the laws to enforce an outdated business model, corruption of the American legal system, the list goes on and on and on. - Price fixing? Yes.
- Laws to enforce an outdated business model? Change the law, purchase from an alternative legal model, or choose not to purchase if your wants don't justify the costs.
- Corruption of the legal system? The system was already corrupt long before the **AAs came along. The **AAs are simply using the system to protect their interests. I don't like it, but then again, I haven't felt the desire to purchase music/movies since I was in college and cared about such things. |
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| DMCA - nuff said.
As for corruption of the legal system, your excuse for them is that everybody's doing it so why shouldn't they. Well sir everybody's pirating why shouldn't Joe Shmoe. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Ok, and?said by grandpinaple:As for corruption of the legal system, your excuse for them is that everybody's doing it so why shouldn't they. Well sir everybody's pirating why shouldn't Joe Shmoe. No, my excuse statement was that the **AAs are using the current legal system to its fullest (maybe more depending on your viewpoint) to protect their financial interests. I would do the same, and I'm willing to bet a majority of other people would do so as well. |
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said by openbox9:I agree that the spyware software and methods used to extract information is arguably illegal, but two wrongs does not make a right. I guess then we are back to the argument that any music/video/software is my property, to do what I please if I purchased said product. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to ossito16
no whats needed is totally unrestristed full quality legal downloads. once the MPAA and RIAA learn that DRM has done nothing to stop piracy maybe they will get a clue.
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What's practical isn't always whats ethical. As third party observers and the victims of this ethics abuse, it is our job to call out those who would abuse their position of status to abuse their fellow man. I am not saying I wouldn't do the same thing, all humans are prone to become corrupt as they aquire more and more power. Actually screw it these xxAA folks really push the envelope I don't think I could stomach using some of their tactics because they just seem assinine and inefficient. I think that is my biggest grievance with them. It's kind of like Larry David in Curb Your Enthusiasm where after a while it just becomes painful to watch their ridiculous antics. |
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"Change the law, purchase from an alternative legal model, or choose not to purchase if your wants don't justify the costs."
This argument always floors me. The complete idiocy that A. the common person has ANY control over the laws that govern big business is ludicrous. Hell, we can't even find out WHO wrote our current energy bill for our VP- the DICK. N other real legal models are available, they are all in collusion, and choosing not to buy means quite often choosing not be a part of modern society (especially when you bring software into the mix...) |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Vote! You might be surprised how big of a voice you can have if you get enough people behind you. There are other legal models available, you just may not like them because they aren't free and you don't "own" the content. Not be a part of modern society?  I haven't purchased a CD since 1996 and I've never bought a DVD and I believe I fit into modern society just fine. |
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said by Kearnstd:no whats needed is totally unrestristed full quality legal downloads. once the MPAA and RIAA learn that DRM has done nothing to stop piracy maybe they will get a clue. I agree, I would be glad to pay a SMALL monthly fee to have access to a all music labels libraries. I am already a member of netflix, I love it. I get movies and I can copy them if I want to. In this model, Netflix reached 8+ million subscribers, $1 billion dollars in revenue for 2006. If there were no programs like clonedvd, dvd shrink, dvd decrypter, and anydvd to get past dvd encryption then I do not believe netflix would even make half the money it makes. |
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| The problem for the music and movie industry with what you're suggesting is that, the charge royalties for the birthday song model of business, cannot be enforced and they have to actually get off their asses to make new content. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to ossito16
I believe that you usually purchase a license to listen/view/use the content and that you don't actually "own" the content. But that is a whole separate debate that doesn't really have anything to do with the legality of exfiltrating information from your computer or "striking back" at the **AAs for alleged/potential exfiltration of information. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to ossito16
no i own the content on that DVD, however i do not own the right to redistrobute copies of that content. but i can legally make unlimited copies for personal use. however if the MPAA gets their way DVDs will somehow get registered to a single player much like Windows XP and beyond do to your PC only far more severe as they wont have a toll free to call if your player dies.
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