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reply to Mactron

Re: Since I know *someone* will make the mistake...

said by Mactron:

said by Cabal:

No, it's not entrapment...

Your kidding... Right ?..

Sadly, probably not.

reply to Cabal

Thanks Cabal!

said by Cabal:

said by Mactron:

said by Cabal:

No, it's not entrapment...

Your kidding... Right ?..

Sadly, probably not.

I hear dictionaries do more than prop up table legs, you might want to look into it.

His point is because it was a source other than law enforcement it was ethically and legally a really good thing to do.

That is, as long as the source changes, the ethics of the action changes.

Unless I missed the part where he condemned Big Media for using malware techniques to further along a financial goal.

NV
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reply to N3OGH
Wait. Not good analogy. One, you aren't married or have a wife (you don't own the movie or song). So unless, you are looking for the wife to beat...

The analogy is good for the point it makes, which is short and easily understandable.

That point is: You change the source of the abuse and you change the ethics of the abuse.

Cabal says true, I say false. The analogy serves to make that point.

Of course the analogy fails, once you take it places it wasn't designed to go.

Have you considered actually addressing the point of the debate?

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I'm PUNCHIN' OUT!!

reply to Noah Vail

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reply to Maxo
Let's see how Cabal feels about Big Media using Malware to reach it's financial goals.

reply to Maxo
So you agree with Cabal that the ethics of the issue changes, when the perpetrator changes.

Beating your own wife is unethical, having your neighbor beat your wife IS ethical. That is the Logic of the Mythical Cabal.

Law Enforcement, using a Malware Distribution Site to snare draw someone into a questionable situation is entrapment, therefore unethical.
A Big Media Conglomeration using Malware Distribution Site to snare draw someone into a questionable situation is not entrapment, therefore ethical.

Would you care to be on the record as saying you would create a portal for the distribution of malicious software (as long as you had financial motivation)? Or would you also like to join the growing ranks of those who are avoiding the core issue in full daylight?

Do tell.

NV
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reply to Maxo

said by Maxo:

the analogy is only good to make Cabal 's point. You are right, if your neighbor beat your wife it would not be domestic abuse. Likewise, if the RIAA pulls this stunt it's not entrapment.

reply to Noah Vail

reply to Noah Vail

reply to Maxo
That would be a lovely answer, if that were the question being asked.

Once again, do you believe that applying this tactic as a means to improve Big Media's financial situation is ethical?

I wait here, pondering what question you will answer next.

NV
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reply to Maxo
Of course you haven't brought up ethics. That would address the core issue of the story and we can't have that can we.

Yet again, I restate my point hoping to find that magical combination that will dawn the moment of comprehension for you.

Point w/ analogy.
You beat Wife = Bad.
You pay neighbor to beat wife = Good.
That is Cabal's logic. No, Cabal didn't bring up beating his wife. That is why it is an analogy.

In this analogy we change the source of the abuse from you to your neighbor. Did the ethics of effecting a wife beating change?

Cabal's logic says Yes. As long as someone other than you beats your wife, it is a good and ethical thing to do.

I say No. Making sure you wife gets beat is bad, no matter who is doing the beating.

Can you follow that or do I need to type it in crayon?

You see, many of us here feel Big Media's attempt to pursue a financial goal by planting Malware is unethical.

Cabal's point is that as long as it isn't law enforcement it is ethical.

I say it doesn't matter who does it, it is unethical.

Did Cabal mention Ethics? No, and neither would you. That would bring the core issue of the story into focus. That would delineate the right and wrong of Big Media's actions.

I suppose you figure that as long as you keep derailing the dialog, you can avoid talking about right and wrong. That might be a pretty spiffy way to get out of defending Big Media's scummy methods.

I suppose if I were a shill for Big Media, I might do something like that too.

NV
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reply to Noah Vail
I never brought up the debate of ethics. I was only discussing the point of whether or not this is entrapment. I keep answering the question about whether or not I believe this is entrapment and I keep saying that I don't think it is. I've never made a statement regarding ethics. You have imposed an ethical opinion on me, but I have never made any statements regarding it. Ethics is an issue you brought up, not myself or Cabal .
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