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Mount Airy, MD | reply to ColorBASIC
Re: My neighbors started a WISP It also goes to show you that if people aren't willing to invest their own time, resources and energy into something that someone else isn't going to provide, then they will remain with nothing.
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Lake Forest, IL | said by pnh102:It also goes to show you that if people aren't willing to invest their own time, resources and energy into something that someone else isn't going to provide, then they will remain with nothing. The issue is, if they try to implement themselves, they have to worry about an industry response like Comcast and BellSouth did in Lafayette, or what at&t and Comcast did here in Illinois, or what Qwest did/is doing in Utopia land. The ILECs and cable companies don't want to provide service as it is not "profitable", but they also don't want the municipalities to do it themselves either. |
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said by pnh102:It also goes to show you that if people aren't willing to invest their own time, resources and energy into something that someone else isn't going to provide, then they will remain with nothing. In that case, if the electric company refused to "deploy" in your area, would you start your own? How about a Ford dealership? Maybe a whole chain of Starbucks? McDonald's?
"just do it" is simplistic, jingoistic advice on this issue. I don't see you running your own cruise ship line, either-perhaps you just don't have the "time, resources and energy" to do so. |
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Corona, CA | Talk about simplistic nonsense. No one in their right mind would compare starting a small wireless ISP to buying a Starbucks, Ford Dealer or McDonald's or even better a cruise line.
That's just stupid.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to satellite68
said by satellite68:said by pnh102:It also goes to show you that if people aren't willing to invest their own time, resources and energy into something that someone else isn't going to provide, then they will remain with nothing. In that case, if the electric company refused to "deploy" in your area, would you start your own? How about a Ford dealership? Maybe a whole chain of Starbucks? McDonald's? "just do it" is simplistic, jingoistic advice on this issue. I don't see you running your own cruise ship line, either-perhaps you just don't have the "time, resources and energy" to do so. the electric company thing happened for real, its why the Government implemented the Rural Electrification Act. part of which is why things like Hoover Dam and the TVA exist.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to TheGhost
said by TheGhost:The issue is, if they try to implement themselves, they have to worry about an industry response like Comcast and BellSouth did in Lafayette, or what at&t and Comcast did here in Illinois, or what Qwest did/is doing in Utopia land. You're confusing the government doing it with a private effort undertaken by private citizens using private funds. We have not seen incumbents try to stop these efforts, and as the ColorBASIC  pointed out, it was not that difficult to set up a WISP.
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to satellite68
said by satellite68:"just do it" is simplistic, jingoistic advice on this issue. And correct as well.
If you wait for someone else to do something for you, especially if it comes at a loss to them, you're going to be waiting a very very long time.
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Banks, OR | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:You're confusing the government doing it with a private effort undertaken by private citizens using private funds. We have not seen incumbents try to stop these efforts, and as the ColorBASIC pointed out, it was not that difficult to set up a WISP. That's most definitely NOT true. What about that neighborhood in Colorado; Qwest told them broadband ain't never gonna happen; they tried to start their own service which they eventually succeeded in doing, but Qwest did everything possible to make it difficult for them to do so. I've heard the same thing from small CLEC's attempting to provide service in New England - Verizon does everything they can to slow the process down and make it difficult.
As for "it's not that difficult to set up a WISP", they may be true in some parts of the country (i.e., flat ones), but setting one up with low-power unlicensed devices in hilly/forested areas gets very expensive very fast.
I can see not requiring an SP to provide unprofitable service, unless they are subsidized. But that's not what's happening. Verizon, for example, could provide service in alot of areas around here, and have the remote terminals in place, but choose not to enable them. No cable competition, and there are already people paying >$1000/month for T-1's in these areas. If they offered DSL, these T1 customers would switch. And $1000/month is better for Verizon than $19.99/month.
I wish they'd market a "rural DSL" or something like that, at $50-$100 or whatever. They'd still get alot of takers. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by PDXPLT:What about that neighborhood in Colorado; ... they tried to start their own service which they eventually succeeded in doing, but Qwest did everything possible to make it difficult for them to do so. And Qwest failed. The service is still running.
said by PDXPLT:I wish they'd market a "rural DSL" or something like that, at $50-$100 or whatever. They'd still get alot of takers. Of course, but if it costs more than what you quote to provide it, no one is going to offer it.
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Lake Forest, IL | reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:the electric company thing happened for real, its why the Government implemented the Rural Electrification Act. part of which is why things like Hoover Dam and the TVA exist. Don't go bringing in historical examples of successes, some people just don't want to hear it. |
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and so it's a tad bit more complicated than "just do it"? having a LEC give you difficulties is...simple?
like i said, this is more complicated than the banal advice you dispense here. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by satellite68:like i said, this is more complicated than the banal advice you dispense here. Well apparently the people who started the WISP in the original post have gotten past that "complexity."
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said by satellite68:In that case, if the electric company refused to "deploy" in your area, would you start your own? Rural farmers have supplied their own electricity for decades. It is called a generator. So, yes providing your own electricity makes sense.
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Oroville, CA | reply to PDXPLT
said by PDXPLT:I wish they'd market a "rural DSL" or something like that, at $50-$100 or whatever. They'd still get alot of takers. They do. It's called ISDN. I had it for a few years, 128/128 for $135/mo.
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