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Re: Thanks Cabal! The analogy is good for the point it makes, which is short and easily understandable.
That point is: You change the source of the abuse and you change the ethics of the abuse.
Cabal says true, I say false. The analogy serves to make that point.
Of course the analogy fails, once you take it places it wasn't designed to go.
Have you considered actually addressing the point of the debate?
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | reply to Noah Vail said by Noah Vail:The analogy is good for the point it makes, which is short and easily understandable. the analogy is only good to make Cabal 's point. You are right, if your neighbor beat your wife it would not be domestic abuse. Likewise, if the RIAA pulls this stunt it's not entrapment. |
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| So you agree with Cabal that the ethics of the issue changes, when the perpetrator changes.
Beating your own wife is unethical, having your neighbor beat your wife IS ethical. That is the Logic of the Mythical Cabal.
Law Enforcement, using a Malware Distribution Site to snare draw someone into a questionable situation is entrapment, therefore unethical. A Big Media Conglomeration using Malware Distribution Site to snare draw someone into a questionable situation is not entrapment, therefore ethical.
Would you care to be on the record as saying you would create a portal for the distribution of malicious software (as long as you had financial motivation)? Or would you also like to join the growing ranks of those who are avoiding the core issue in full daylight?
Do tell.
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 mattmagPremium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-04-09 NW Illinois kudos:3 | reply to Maxo said by Maxo:the analogy is only good to make Cabal  's point. You are right, if your neighbor beat your wife it would not be domestic abuse. Likewise, if the RIAA pulls this stunt it's not entrapment. You are incorrect about it being entrapment if law enforcement operates the site. The is no entrapment if the person visiting the site is not enticed or coerced into downloading the alleged material. The person does so on their own accord, and therefore are not entrapped. They are free to cease their action at any time.
Same holds true for police prostitution stings. Fully operated by the police, the suspects come up to the target on their own free will, ask for sex in exchange for money and they are busted. No entrapment. Not even close. |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | reply to Noah Vail said by Noah Vail:So you agree with Cabal that the ethics of the issue changes, when the perpetrator changes. I don't recall ever bringing up ethics. You brought that up. Find the quote from me where I said this, or beating your wife, was ethical. |
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| Of course you haven't brought up ethics. That would address the core issue of the story and we can't have that can we.
Yet again, I restate my point hoping to find that magical combination that will dawn the moment of comprehension for you.
Point w/ analogy. You beat Wife = Bad. You pay neighbor to beat wife = Good. That is Cabal's logic. No, Cabal didn't bring up beating his wife. That is why it is an analogy.
In this analogy we change the source of the abuse from you to your neighbor. Did the ethics of effecting a wife beating change?
Cabal's logic says Yes. As long as someone other than you beats your wife, it is a good and ethical thing to do.
I say No. Making sure you wife gets beat is bad, no matter who is doing the beating.
Can you follow that or do I need to type it in crayon?
You see, many of us here feel Big Media's attempt to pursue a financial goal by planting Malware is unethical.
Cabal's point is that as long as it isn't law enforcement it is ethical.
I say it doesn't matter who does it, it is unethical.
Did Cabal mention Ethics? No, and neither would you. That would bring the core issue of the story into focus. That would delineate the right and wrong of Big Media's actions.
I suppose you figure that as long as you keep derailing the dialog, you can avoid talking about right and wrong. That might be a pretty spiffy way to get out of defending Big Media's scummy methods.
I suppose if I were a shill for Big Media, I might do something like that too.
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