T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + in VOIP Tech Chat http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18636170 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:33:45 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:33:45 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19443049 sgpyle : Curious about whether you had any issues setting up the 6086 Bluetooth to work with the Dock-N-Talk? I sent my Dock-n-Talk in for the firmware upgrade and purchased the Bluetooth module. I can get the 6086 to pair with the Dock-N-Talk. However, after I make or receive one phone call through the Dock-N-Talk, I lose all functionality to dial our answer incoming calls. There is still dial tone, but no functionality. When this happens, the bluetooth module blinks. I can reconnect by unplugging the Dock-N'Talk, which of course is a total pain, and is only good for the next phone call. I am wondering if there is a special setting on the 6086 that I need to update? Any thoughts?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19443049 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:46:09 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19298881 anon : Just curious, to the person using it in the DR. Can you send/receive text over Hotspot@Home?

-A]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19298881 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:10:57 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19283212 montee4 : Yeah, all my connections are in the US. I usually use my home router which is a Linksys WRT54G. I also got the Linksys T-Mobile router free, but I haven't set it up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19283212 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:51:08 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19273241 anon : The Curve UMA is up and running from the DR. The T-mobile routers haven't arrived yet but having tech support activate hotspot@home seems have done the trick.

So much for making calls without hotspot@home and counting up the minutes. However, considering roaming is $2/minute, still not a bad deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19273241 Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:03:16 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + Curve + International http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268219 anon : I am still in the DR so the Curve hasn't worked "anywhere" here. I suppose your connections were all in the US?

I have a California area code and read that there were issues with UMA in California but that the issue was resolved.

I am hoping the Linksys router, which is touted as being specially configured to support the T-mobile UMA, will work from the DR. I'll keep you posted if it works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19268219 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:49:25 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + Curve + International http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19265481 montee4 :
said by Robert DR :

I got the curve (and 2 year contract) specifically to use while traveling in the Dominican Republic and save on roaming charges.

First test on a private Buffalo router with WPA failed. Great wifi but no UMA symbol and all calls failed. Second test at an "open" public linksys hotspot. Again, access to google with the wifi but no UMA symbol and all calls failed.

Since the DR has both Orange (UK) and formerly Verizon (Canada) mobile carriers, I would have thought they had the UMA infrastructure.

Tech support had me reset, wipe data and install upgraded curve software without success. Trying to get them to FEDEX the linksys router to see if using their router will work.

Any other suggestions or ideas on the UMA issue?
Have you been able to get the UMA connection to work anywhere? I am wondering if they didn't configure your account correctly or something. I have had no issues connecting to UMA over numerous different types of personal and Public Wi-Fi routers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19265481 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:01:52 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + Curve + International http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19261285 anon : I got the curve (and 2 year contract) specifically to use while traveling in the Dominican Republic and save on roaming charges.

First test on a private Buffalo router with WPA failed. Great wifi but no UMA symbol and all calls failed. Second test at an "open" public linksys hotspot. Again, access to google with the wifi but no UMA symbol and all calls failed.

Since the DR has both Orange (UK) and formerly Verizon (Canada) mobile carriers, I would have thought they had the UMA infrastructure.

Tech support had me reset, wipe data and install upgraded curve software without success. Trying to get them to FEDEX the linksys router to see if using their router will work.

Any other suggestions or ideas on the UMA issue? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19261285 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:45:25 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19214113 anon : yes it is! Any other ideas/???]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19214113 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:26:46 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19214094 stufried : Make sure that your router is enabled for IPSec VPNs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19214094 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:23:57 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19212032 anon : HI My Dad Just bought two Nokia 6086's and has a wireless system set up.. blah blah, we cant get either phone to connect. they recognize the network, but wont connect and we get a w006.1 error code... techs have no idea how to help, we cant figure it out! phones connect in starbucks hot spot...but not at home....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19212032 Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:07:43 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19196026 montee4 : Looks like they just upped the Hotspot @ Home rate from $9.99 per month to $19.99 per month. I knew the $9.99 was a promo rate, but expected it to last a little longer. :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19196026 Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:44:15 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19191463 leng25 : Yes, it does I'm using wpa2 now.

Update:

So just a quick update, I got my Curve to work w/ UMA now with no issues. I am using a wireless belkin router as an AP with it hard wired into the provided actiontec router's lan ports calls no longer get dropped. So now laptops connect wirelessly to the Actiontec while the Cruve uses the wirless features of the Beklin. It's very quikly but it works.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19191463 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:48:03 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19191276 Asterix : does it support WPA2 AES/TKIP ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19191276 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:15:25 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189940 montee4 :
said by JOEZEP21 See Profile :

I just got the T-mobile Curve and no joy here. I cant place or receive Wi-Fi calls. The funny thing is when I place the call it initially connects for the first 5 seconds. Then it abruptly drops the call and displays a "call failed" error message. I can send & receive messages no problem. (Im on a BES Server) I can also browse the web no problem, just cant send/receive calls that last longer than 5 seconds! I did some additional testing to see if band selection might be a solution. Unfortunately still no results. I tried each of the following modes on my router:
802.11 b
802.11 g
802.11 Mixed Mode
Each mode exhibits the same behavior. It initially connects for about 5 seconds and then drops the call with a "call failed" error. Im realying this info to our T-mobile corporate rep who is usually pretty good source of info. I'll post back when a solution is in hand.
Yes, please post back when you hear more.
I am using a linksys WRT54G with WEP and MAC Filtering and my Curve is placing and receiving WiFi calls with no issue. Also, there is no interference when using WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time which was a known issue with their Nokia 8086 UMA phone.

So far no issues for me, definetly loving this phone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189940 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:42:47 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189461 leng25 : Joe: I have the same exact issue, what type of router are you using?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19189461 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:32:19 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19188893 JOEZEP21 : I just got the T-mobile Curve and no joy here. I cant place or receive Wi-Fi calls. The funny thing is when I place the call it initially connects for the first 5 seconds. Then it abruptly drops the call and displays a "call failed" error message. I can send & receive messages no problem. (Im on a BES Server) I can also browse the web no problem, just cant send/receive calls that last longer than 5 seconds! I did some additional testing to see if band selection might be a solution. Unfortunately still no results. I tried each of the following modes on my router:
802.11 b
802.11 g
802.11 Mixed Mode
Each mode exhibits the same behavior. It initially connects for about 5 seconds and then drops the call with a "call failed" error. Im realying this info to our T-mobile corporate rep who is usually pretty good source of info. I'll post back when a solution is in hand. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19188893 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:55:58 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19187974 arbydog : Any way to use an old voip adapter to make calls with this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19187974 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 05:57:26 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19143706 MODERNMAN : i have been using the hotspot @home feature on the nokia 6086 for about a week and i like it. I just make an effort to search and connect to available wifi signals when i am near them before initiating calls. seems like a pain for some people but its like playing with toys for me. the phone connects to my stored/saved networks automatically (home/work). cant wait to try it abroad!! oh 1 more thing... i checked up on this. if you and your friends already have unlimited t-mo to t-mo, when u call them it shows up as unlimited wifi minutes on the bill and the party you are calling still gets it free and shows up as t-mo to t-mo for them, assuming they arent on the wifi phone yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19143706 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:11:36 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19143228 montee4 : T-Mobile just launched the BlackBerry curve as another phone that works with their UMA service. Finally a better phone to choose from!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19143228 Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:51:00 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100824 cbrain : Thanks for your help. I have 2 6086's. I only play with the WiFi settings when I have the problem. This is unfortunately, way too often. I've noticed the problem may be related to a client location with multiple VPN wireless access points without internet access or DNS. I don't know if T-Mobile just doesn't have techs who can understand or fix this, or they just can't relay the information properly and won't let me speak with these people.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100824 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:53:53 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100467 CommSoft8086 :
said by cbrain See Profile :

OK. Sounds impressive. Should this setting be on or off where there is a single wireless access point and a weak to moderate GSM signal?
If there's only a single access point, it should be off. Turning the setting on will cause the phone to continually look another AP signal, somewhat degrading battery life. This may improve someday with 802.11R. However, since 802.11R is not ratified yet (802.11R structures AP to AP roaming), you won't see better router/AP handovers in this generation of phones.
Since getting this service, 1 to 3 times a week my phone won't connect to any WiFi connection. The phone sees a strong connection but won't auto connect and I get a 1006 error when I attempt a manual connection. The phone will not connect to any WiFi network, even another location, until I remove the battery and reset my phone. I tried both a new phone and simm without improvement. All T-Mobile techs, advanced whatevers and engineers don't have a clue as to what is causing this or how to fix it.

Any ideas? Could this setting make a difference?
Which phone do you have? I have 5 6086's in my household (as well as an "older" 6136), and have found that the phones periodically "forget" about WiFi. My experience has been that the phones tend to behave better if you don't constantly tool with the WiFi application. Constantly manually scanning for networks seems to aggravate the phone to some extent, and appears to cause its 'forgetfulness'... A power cycle (no need for a bettery pull) usually resolves the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100467 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:04:01 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100280 cbrain :
said by CommSoft8086 See Profile :

Bzzt! Wrong. The 'Wireless Router Handovers' setting is for AP to AP handoffs, where the APs have the same SSID and same security settings (and are on the same network with the same DHCP server, etc.)

The previous poster may be having handoff problems due to the lack of indoor GSM coverage in his area. If the phone has not oriented itself on T-Mobile's public network (by registering and obtaining the MCC-MNC-LAC), a UMA->GSM handoff will not work
OK. Sounds impressive. Should this setting be on or off where there is a single wireless access point and a weak to moderate GSM signal?

When I first set up this service I dropped the first 3 test calls as I moved from wireless to GSM or back. I changed this setting to yes and I no longer lost the calls. I have not had a transfer problem in the 80 days since. I changed this setting after reading your post and the next 2 tests worked. tonight the first 2 tests failed and next 2 worked. I called T-mobile about my ongoing problem and asked about this. They had the same impression I had. I read them your post and they promised to check it and get back to me.

Since getting this service, 1 to 3 times a week my phone won't connect to any WiFi connection. The phone sees a strong connection but won't auto connect and I get a 1006 error when I attempt a manual connection. The phone will not connect to any WiFi network, even another location, until I remove the battery and reset my phone. I tried both a new phone and simm without improvement. All T-Mobile techs, advanced whatevers and engineers don't have a clue as to what is causing this or how to fix it.

Any ideas? Could this setting make a difference?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19100280 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:34:24 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19091226 CommSoft8086 :
said by cbrain See Profile :

Check your "menu - settings - Wi-Fi - saved networks - highlight chosen connection - options - edit details - Wireless router handovers" and make sure it is set to Yes.
Bzzt! Wrong. The 'Wireless Router Handovers' setting is for AP to AP handoffs, where the APs have the same SSID and same security settings (and are on the same network with the same DHCP server, etc.)

The previous poster may be having handoff problems due to the lack of indoor GSM coverage in his area. If the phone has not oriented itself on T-Mobile's public network (by registering and obtaining the MCC-MNC-LAC), a UMA->GSM handoff will not work]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19091226 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:41:53 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19089770 cbrain :
said by burgerwars See Profile :

It would be nice if t-Mobile offered the service on their pay-as-you-go plan. t-Mobile is my backup phone. ...
T-mobile does not require subscription for this service. You need a UMA phone and wireless access. If you don't choose their U/L WiFi option the minutes used come out of your cellular bucket.
said by montee4 See Profile :

I am having the opposite problem where when I am on a WiFi call it doesn't switch to the GSM Network when I walk out of range of the Wireless Router, it just drops the call.
Check your "menu - settings - Wi-Fi - saved networks - highlight chosen connection - options - edit details - Wireless router handovers" and make sure it is set to Yes.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19089770 Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:46:08 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072869 burgerwars : It would be nice if t-Mobile offered the service on their pay-as-you-go plan. t-Mobile is my backup phone. Does anyone know if Sprint or AT&T have plans for similar services?

I've used t-Mobile, AT&T and Sprint in my home, and cellphone service sucks with them all. Downstairs is worthless. If I'm upstairs, standing on my bed holding my cellphone above my head, I might just get a signal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072869 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:48:21 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072734 montee4 :
said by maartsen See Profile :

said by Quattrohead See Profile :

Any way of connecting your home phones into this system and have them use your t-mobile account ?
Yes - I am using the Nokia 6086 and Phonelabs' Dock-N-Talk with Bluetooth module, my two line Panasonic cordless PABX has one line plugged into the Dock-N-Talk and I get caller ID, and can dial. Quality is reasonable (no cable available for this Nokia).
How is your voice quality using both BlueTooth and WiFi? Since they are both the same freuqency, I notice a lot of interference when I am using the Dock n Talk on a WiFi call.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072734 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:20:45 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072696 montee4 :
said by cbrain See Profile :

Drops were not my problem. At times, both phones worked on cellular but failed to connect to an available Wifi network. If I looked at the "available networks" sub menu, I could see the network and strength. It would not only fail to automatically connect but if I tried to manually "connect," it would fail and give an error code. Once it fell into this mode, I would need to re-boot the phone at a minimum, and that often did not fix it. This tested at home, office, private networks and Starbucks. In this mode, it would fail on all the above networks until reset. I'm very happy your old SIM works, and don't know why it seemed to cause a problem for me. T-mobile techs suggested this as a solution and it seems to have worked for both handsets.

I want to let anyone that may experience the same problem know it is not a problem you should accept.
I am having the opposite problem where when I am on a WiFi call it doesn't switch to the GSM Network when I walk out of range of the Wireless Router, it just drops the call.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19072696 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:14:47 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846174 cbrain :
said by PCJunkies See Profile :

By default, will the phones always us WiFi if available?

Or does it go by signal strength.

Scenario -
Outside Starbucks in parking lot you get 4 bars strength for Wifi but there is a nearby cell tower that gives you 5 bars. How does the phone handle that?
I've had some issues so I can better answer that in a month or so. I your scenario, I think WiFi. If the WiFi drops to 1 bar, not so much. You can disable hand off for a saved connection. Even with my problems, things generally work pretty well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846174 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:01:31 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846113 PCJunkies : By default, will the phones always us WiFi if available?

Or does it go by signal strength.

Scenario -
Outside Starbucks in parking lot you get 4 bars strength for Wifi but there is a nearby cell tower that gives you 5 bars. How does the phone handle that?

Thanks in advance.
Clay]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846113 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:50:42 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846059 cbrain :
said by Nokia E61i :

I have the Nokia E61i but it is not one of the phones T-Mobile Supports. Does any one know all the setting to configure this phone to work with the VOIP.
If you have a T-Mobile account ... turn it on.

T-Mobile and the 2 phones they offer do not support separate VoIP accounts. Your cellular number will use a WiFi connection like another cell. If you buy the option for U/L WiFi calls, the time does not come from your bucket of cellular minutes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846059 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:38:17 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18845975 anon : I have the Nokia E61i but it is not one of the phones T-Mobile Supports. Does any one know all the setting to configure this phone to work with the VOIP.

Thanks!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18845975 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:19:24 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842958 cbrain :
said by Quattrohead See Profile :

Do you know the size of the old and new sims ?
No. The only measurement I can find in the phone menu is 250 names. The old sim may be 100 names, but I don't remember. Do you know how to get the sim capacity?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842958 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:03:17 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842858 Quattrohead : Do you know the size of the old and new sims ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842858 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:50:46 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842815 cbrain : Drops were not my problem. At times, both phones worked on cellular but failed to connect to an available Wifi network. If I looked at the "available networks" sub menu, I could see the network and strength. It would not only fail to automatically connect but if I tried to manually "connect," it would fail and give an error code. Once it fell into this mode, I would need to re-boot the phone at a minimum, and that often did not fix it. This tested at home, office, private networks and Starbucks. In this mode, it would fail on all the above networks until reset. I'm very happy your old SIM works, and don't know why it seemed to cause a problem for me. T-mobile techs suggested this as a solution and it seems to have worked for both handsets.

I want to let anyone that may experience the same problem know it is not a problem you should accept.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842815 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:44:17 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842376 cgigate : Wi-Fi drops off is not caused by SIM card!
I am using 10 years old SIM , it works fine no WiFi drops!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842376 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:37:10 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842241 cbrain :
said by cbrain See Profile :

T-mobile replaced my handset ... The new handset fixed most of the Wifi network problem, but, occasional both handsets fail to use an available Wifi network. This failure is not consistent between my 2 handsets.
...
T-Mobile set me up to get 2 new SIM cards from a local store. It has only been 4 days but this seems to have fully fixed my Wifi problem. My SIMs were 7 years old and still said voicestream. Support gets the job done but only after making them understand "close enough" is not even a discussion point with me. Don't let them tell you daily rebooting is necessary or allow them to let your problem "age."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18842241 Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:19:33 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18828045 acmeco : to cgigate...

Yes T-mobile's hotspot service is a pay-per-use or subscription based service....

ALTHOUGH hotspot@home wifi phone service does NOT requre you to pay for tmoobile's hotspot service as starbucks type places.

IT's a freebie to log on thru tmobile is what I was told be tmobile.

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P.S. Call T-Mobiles 800 number and order through the rep. I got the 1000 anytime minutes for $39/month + the $10 unlimitied wifi calls, free phone and free router and only a 1 year contract (I liked that the best). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18821407 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:57:31 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18821147 anon : For those who have the Nokia 6086, can you use the phone to browse the internet? Case a) with $10/mo hotspot plan, or b) without the plan?

I would imagine that the phone would be able to log into the wifi network at home & allow you to browse the net, but the T-mobile rep I talked to said that the wifi was meant only for making VoIP calls. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18821147 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:25:03 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782547 Quattrohead : I signed up for 1 of the 6086 last night too, but had to pay $50 for it. I do have a $50 rebate for it but the T-Mobile store said it will not work. I will try it and see anyway :D
Decided to get the Linksys router that will be free after rebate.
My impressions to come.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782547 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:04:22 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782233 cbrain : T-mobile replaced my handset and I decided to go with their 2 year commitment (includes 2 free Nokia 6086's and wireless router, free after rebate). Dropped call problem seemed to stop after about a week. Network handoff works well. The new handset fixed most of the Wifi network problem, but, occasional both handsets fail to use an available Wifi network. This failure is not consistent between my 2 handsets.

The quality is good. This may be a viable alternative or supplement to your VoIP strategy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782233 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:15:52 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18689788 cgigate : Obviously, you need pay to access Hotspot that is why they build for.
Many tricks actually work to fool Hotspot to get free access forever!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18689788 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:53:14 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18687321 hfrisch : True - but if you log into T-Mobile in Europe, you'll need to pay separately for the connection - and their daily rates are over $10/day. T-Mobile USA hotspots are "included" in the plan (otherwise, they charge $8/day unless you get a monthly subscription for $30).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18687321 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:23:34 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18685862 cgigate :
said by maartsen See Profile :

Just for completeness' sake, the US phone will not work on a T-Mobile Hotspot overseas. But it will work on ordinary WiFi, for as long as no login is required.
Wrong!
you can load internet browser such as "opera" to Nokia phone to use in any hotspots need "login"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18685862 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:19:07 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18679916 cbrain : The Nokia 6086 has several setting that may help. It will work on any wireless network and you can save credentials. There is a setting to disable hand off and to disable auto login to saved networks. You can manually search for available networks and choose which your phone will use. If you do this and move out of range, the call drops.

Hand offs are not perfect but work well enough for me. My setup was easy and everything worked. I tested a Starbucks hotspot and had good signal but my calls went cellular. I tried manual network selection but got a network error. When I got home I had the same error. Turning the Nokia off and back on fixed things. I've also experienced way too many dropped calls so far on LAN. I'm still hopeful but not ready to commit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18679916 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:29:54 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18678708 maartsen : Just for completeness' sake, the US phone will not work on a T-Mobile Hotspot overseas. But it will work on ordinary WiFi, for as long as no login is required.
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said by dublus See Profile :

Would there be a way to use your own router with your own VOIP service ? Couldn't this be accomplished with third party firmware in the router or are the VOIP settings hard-coded into the phone ?
Yes, you can use any WiFi router that does not require a login. Mine worked with my Belkin router straight out of the box, took two minutes.

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»aartsen.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18678691 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:05:43 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18678665 maartsen :
said by Quattrohead See Profile :

Any way of connecting your home phones into this system and have them use your t-mobile account ?
Yes - I am using the Nokia 6086 and Phonelabs' Dock-N-Talk with Bluetooth module, my two line Panasonic cordless PABX has one line plugged into the Dock-N-Talk and I get caller ID, and can dial. Quality is reasonable (no cable available for this Nokia).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18678665 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:57:26 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18671281 hfrisch : I think that's right - the call will be dumped as the local GSM cell would not be considered to be a hand over candidate for the WiFi link (not administered as adjacent). If you call again on local GSM, then you'll be roaming internationally. Same for incoming - if you answer on GSM, you're roaming internationally.

I would go for a separate GSM/SIP phone. At least then I can tell which service I'm using and can pick. It also lets me use a local pre-paid SIM when traveling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18671281 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:07:10 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18670608 Quattrohead : You may well get free calling outside the US if using WiFi, but I am 99% sure the call will be dumped or you will get charged at international rates once you go out of range of the WiFi. If you do not have international enabled on your cell, the call will end for sure.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18670608 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:29:30 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18670294 nycityny :
said by hfrisch See Profile :

If you were not roaming into what T-Mobile would have administered as an "adjacent cell", then the call won't hand over. If you call again, you'll be on local GSM - at $2/minute roaming.
It seems like that situation is going to result in a lot of pleas from customers to reduce their bills when that unknowingly happens. It is bound to create a lot of customer service problems with T-Mobile. It is also likely to result in more revenue for the company when people end up paying for calls they thought were free.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18670294 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:21:04 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18669920 hfrisch : If you were not roaming into what T-Mobile would have administered as an "adjacent cell", then the call won't hand over. If you call again, you'll be on local GSM - at $2/minute roaming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18669920 Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:24:49 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18667653 acmeco : I would be very careful about assuming that overseas calls would be 100% free.

I believe that the cell first "talks" to the tower to register to the network. If you were roaming on some other 3rd party carrier (overseas) I'm not sure that the hotspot would always work.

If you were overseas where tmobile (or a division of tmo) has coverage it may work, however you may still need to "flip the switch" on roaming, so that the phone will register on the tower, (even though you would have no roaming charges when dialing from wifi)

I'm sure someone will try it and let us know.

Adam N.

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If you initiate a call while within a wi-fi hotspot, leave that hotspot and the call continues on a normal cell tower the call continues to be free and unlimited.
if All calls to domestic US numbers are free and unlimited when initiated under the wi-fi service.
So when I travel aboard and initial a call from Wi-Fi, then walk away from Wi-Fi coverage into roaming GSM network, the call should be "free" forever.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18666416 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:31:14 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18666143 nycityny :
said by acmeco See Profile :

I was told by a rep that you do NOT NEED THE $10 add on plan to make wi-fi calls....however they wifi calls you make will take minutes out of your "bucket"....

That's very interesting. This service can then be used to improve reception at home while acquiring a free router to boot. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18666143 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:42:45 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18666054 cgigate : That is great if you do not need to add $10 to make/receive Wi-Fi calls.
I have plenty of minutes, I wish I could make Wi-Fi calls when I travel aboard, all Wi-Fi is considered as domestic calls.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18666054 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:25:38 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18665429 acmeco : I was told by a rep that you do NOT NEED THE $10 add on plan to make wi-fi calls....however they wifi calls you make will take minutes out of your "bucket"....

So, if you have enough minutes, but have bad coverage at home, work, etc, then you can do this with the right phone.

If, however you want unlimited wi-fi minutes you must do the add on plan for it to not take your airtime minutes.

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said by cbrain See Profile :

The phones and wireless router arrived today. Simple setup and everything works. I can start a call over LAN, move out of range and the call switches to cellular network and back. I need to do some reading and testing to determine how to best use my new toy.
Do you need to add $10 home@hotspot plan to make Wi-Fi calls ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18664852 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:19:27 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18664786 cgigate :
said by Quattrohead See Profile :

Any way of connecting your home phones into this system and have them use your t-mobile account ?
No, you can not! unless you have a equipment of UMA with home phone adapter
It is UMA . it is GSM on Wi-Fi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18664786 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:05:35 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18659687 Quattrohead : Any way of connecting your home phones into this system and have them use your t-mobile account ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18659687 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:21:11 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18658149 hfrisch : T-Mobile is using UMA technology - which is (more or less) GSM sent via a VPN tunnel over WiFi/IP. They seem to be set up with all of the IP connected calls going into one "cell". In that environment, handing over should work fine, provided that you are somewhere that they are expecting a hand over.

In the international use case (Japan is not a great choice as there is no GSM there), the phone will seem to be USA local so long as it is in a WiFi covered place that you can use, since you would be reaching T-Mobile USA via public internet. On the other hand, if you leave the hot spot, for example in the UK, the UK GSM network is not expecting a hand over from a New York phone as it would not likely be administered with New York as a neighboring switch. In that case, the call would drop -- which is probably a good thing, since I would expect that T-Mobile would go to their more traditional $2/minute for international roaming if you actually used a roaming GSM network.

On the question of using "any other" VoIP service - with these phones and this technology, you can't. To do that, you would need a SIP/GSM phone, though those would be less likely to have anything like a seamless hand over as that would require cooperation between different VoIP and Cellular carriers - which is not too likely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18658149 Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:54:44 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18655972 cbrain :
said by mazilo See Profile :

Was the switching subtle?
Excepting the drum roll ... I could only tell by looking at the display to see it had switched. I did need to enable "wireless router handovers" after my first test failed. Seems like a useless option to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18655972 Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:03:49 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18655887 mazilo :
said by cbrain See Profile :

I can start a call over LAN, move out of range and the call switches to cellular network and back.
Was the switching subtle?
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said by dublus See Profile :

I understand the implication of * with MyFavs but I think t-mo would notice all your calls going to the same number.

What does "buying the VOIP package" do ?

I'm guessing it just changes the way the minutes are counted - but that implies the wifi calls going through the router are using t-mobile VOIP.

Would there be a way to use your own router with your own VOIP service ? Couldn't this be accomplished with third party firmware in the router or are the VOIP settings hard-coded into the phone ?
There was an article in last week's NY Times about the new service. I asked a T-Mobile rep about it in one of their stores today.

All calls to domestic US numbers are free and unlimited when initiated under the wi-fi service. If you initiate a call while within a wi-fi hotspot, leave that hotspot and the call continues on a normal cell tower the call continues to be free and unlimited. Conversely, calls initiated with normal cell service continue to use minutes even if you roam into a hotspot.

Further, even calls initiated outside the USA in a wi-fi hotspot are free when made to USA numbers. So you can be in Tokyo and call someone in New York and talk for free.

The $10/month charge is only available for July - it goes up to $20/month thereafter.

The special I mentioned above of $39.99/month for 1,000 anytime minutes and unlimited nights/weekends is not available in stores anymore. The salesperson said it expired on June 30. I still see it on their website.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18640760 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:57:53 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18639695 dublus : I understand the implication of * with MyFavs but I think t-mo would notice all your calls going to the same number.

What does "buying the VOIP package" do ?

I'm guessing it just changes the way the minutes are counted - but that implies the wifi calls going through the router are using t-mobile VOIP.

Would there be a way to use your own router with your own VOIP service ? Couldn't this be accomplished with third party firmware in the router or are the VOIP settings hard-coded into the phone ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18639695 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:09:23 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18638854 nycityny : T-Mobile is currently offering a great calling plan - one that I got three years ago and had not seen available since. It's 1,000 anytime minutes with free nights and weekends for $39.99. This would go very well with their new wi-fi feature.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18638854 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:58:28 EDT Re: T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18638836 cbrain : T-Mobile agreed to send me 2 free Nokia 6086 phones and a Linksys wireless for $50 with a $50 rebate. This requires a 2 year extension, no plan change until I'm ready, and a 14 day return window. If I don't buy the VoIP package ($10 individual or $20 family plan) I can use the feature against my regular minute pool. I'll post a review after I give it a go.

With Asterisk and myFaves ... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18638836 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:54:28 EDT T-Mobile UMA does VoIP + http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18636170 cbrain : »www.t-mobile.com/Promotions/Hots···ore.aspx

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