Re: For Crying out loud! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18641140 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:48:01 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:48:01 EDT Re: For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18652980 PGHammer : Can't do POTS over fiber? Two words: get real. VZ does POTS over FiOS every day (the typical voice service they deploy over fiber is *not* BroadWing (their branded VoIP service) but actually a fiber-based POTS - copper inside the premises, but fiber starting at the NIM/NID). The current trend in *greenfield* developments is for FiOS preinstallation, where you *start* with fiber-based POTS (and the NIM/NID went in with the rest of the household pre-wiring).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18652980 Wed, 11 Jul 2007 15:00:03 EDT Re: Of Course VZ Does POTS over Fiber http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643845 Time4aNAP : Sorry, but your personal private definition of POTS is not the widely accepted definition. Playing with semantics doesn't alter the facts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643845 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:20:45 EDT Re: For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643841 Time4aNAP :
said by pcnetworx1 See Profile :

Can't do LINE POWERED POTS over fibre. Not "can't do POTS."
Six of one, a half-dozen of the other. There's nothing "plain" or "old" about the equipment necessary to make any telephone work over fiber. And POTS does in fact include all of the necessary electrical power and signaling required for a POT to work with it. If an old western electric phone can't use it, it's not POTS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643841 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:19:07 EDT Re: For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643835 Time4aNAP :
said by ShootToThril See Profile :

If they deployed the super advanced FIOS network, couldn't they just let people pay for a 3mbps connection over that fios connection instead of thinking "Oh... we need copper for that". I mean this new technology from space can't be provisioned to lower speeds???
It's possible, but there are no regulations to compel Verizon to do this. In the interest of killing off all competition, Verizon will not do it willingly, so you're out of luck.

The original AT&T copper plant was built under monopoly regulation, with government assistance, and often using taxpayer money. That is what makes the copper plant so valuable today. Without it, the competition doesn't have a way in.

Your government(s) screwed you when they improperly gave Verizon the go-ahead to build a new copper plant (which is not subject to regulation) over the old rights-of-way granted to the old AT&T under eminent domain. This essentially gave Verizon an unfair advantage over all competition in continuing to grant them monopoly access to those rights-of-way to operate a new monopoly, but without any new laws to govern the new monopoly. And it's your fault, because you're responsible for electing the government(s).

Next time, you might want to lift a finger...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18643835 Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:13:00 EDT Of Course VZ Does POTS over Fiber http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18642458 myokitis : Get your facts straight before you post. VZ WANTS to sell their triple-play (voice/data/video) over fiber. And the voice is POTS. Yes, POTS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18642458 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:54:10 EDT Re: For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18642014 pcnetworx1 :
said by dvd536 See Profile :

Can't do POTS over fibre.
Can't do LINE POWERED POTS over fibre. Not "can't do POTS."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18642014 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 20:39:09 EDT Re: For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18641140 dvd536 :
said by ShootToThril See Profile :

If they deployed the super advanced FIOS network, couldn't they just let people pay for a 3mbps connection over that fios connection instead of thinking "Oh... we need copper for that". I mean this new technology from space can't be provisioned to lower speeds???... And for that matter, would phone service not work over FIOS.
Can't do POTS over fibre, thats what this is all about. POTS which can also do lineshare DSL.
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You can never be too rich, too thin or have too much Bandwidth]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18641140 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 18:01:39 EDT For Crying out loud! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18641112 ShootToThril : If they deployed the super advanced FIOS network, couldn't they just let people pay for a 3mbps connection over that fios connection instead of thinking "Oh... we need copper for that". I mean this new technology from space can't be provisioned to lower speeds???... And for that matter, would phone service not work over FIOS, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't POTS used for phone service.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18641112 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:56:47 EDT