efong
join:2002-05-05 | reply to neofate
Re: 16mb / 2mb Status Update
Competition is always good. Hoping to see a drop in prices and a bump in speed as U-verse starts to cover more of the SoCal areas. Its coming to my neighborhood and they are trialing 25/2 in FIOS Texas markets. I say bring it on. |
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mbkowns
Got Bandwidth?
join:2003-07-01
Riverside, CA | BTW DSL2 is in my area so maybe that is why I got 10mb faster maybe that will help me get the 16mb \ 2mb quick
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cmajkrzak
Premium
join:2007-02-13
Monticello, MN
clubs: | I've heard Monticello/Buffalo area has/was/is testing 16/2, I know we had multiple mid night outages because of it as well a month ago. |
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kd6cae
P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime
join:2001-08-27
Lancaster, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
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I personally would love to see more upload capabilities. Even if not everyone uses what's available to them, the option should still be there for those like myself who would want to take advantage of it. I have large data files, and I'd like to be able to back them up to my dedicated server so that they're off site from me, so in the event I have drive failure or something like that, I haven't lost my data. Not to mention I can access it no matter where I may be, such as at a friends house. I can recall a few years ago when optimum online offered 10/1 speeds, while the rest of North America was around 3/256 or at best 5/768. We all dreamed of having Optonline 10/1 speeds. Now, I don't believe there's a U.S. cable company that doesn't have a 10/1 option. Now though, Optonline offers the option of 30/5 speeds for it's users, using the same cable modems the rest of us use. Yet everywhere else I've seen, including business offerings over cable, the highest upstream speed providers offer is 2Mbps. So I have to wonder, why is Optimum online the only cable internet service willing to offer it's users a 5Mbps upstream option? What are they doing that nobody else in the entire country is willing to try? By no means am I knocking 2mbps upload, it's certainly better than 256k, but if users could get a 5mbit upload tier, that's more than double 2Mbit/sec, and things could get done even quicker in my book. Even in FIOS areas where folks can get 30/5 FIOS, cable still only offers 2Mbps upstream. I can only guess that 2mbps is the limit for a single upstream channel and optimum online is doing 2 channel bonding to achieve 5m upload? In any case, I believe we've got plenty of downstream, now let's improve the upload for those that would want it! |
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dav0r
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Premium
join:2003-06-15
Albertville, MN
·Charter Pipeline
·Embarq
| I'd like to see either a conglamorate government network created or FCC regulated latency standards before more upload becomes the next damn hot topic. I work from home A LOT and 1mbps up is pretty fine. Latency is important for VPN, Exchange Servers, etc. to act more 'happy'. People are jumping on the throughput train way too much. I want the USA to be known for killer low latency, not the most throughput. The country is too big to deploy what some other countries the size of Andorra have deployed (and brag about until even after the Brokeback Mountain boys come back home... ew... I kinda freaked myself out there... anyway). SURE 2mbps or 5mbps would be great but better latency standards and people at AT&T or Qwest or whatever douche network performing planned or accidental maintenance every other week causing problems for people that can't pinpoint the problem is the real culprit... not your local throughput baby.
Oh and the govt thing? They can see your crap anyway if they want so why not make it an FCC/govt thing where it's a bunch of inter-connected rings so the ping is never more than 100ms for any user point to point to any location in the USA. THAT, my friend, would make everything scream in a happy fashion... not another 1mpbs upload... |
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neofate
Caveat Depascor
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Birmingham, AL
| Dave,
I usually don't disagree with you, but I'm not so sure about the Government involvement.
For the main reason,.. Government doesn't always = Better.
Also, I know it is cliche, but the government has SO much control already, do we really want them in on this as well?
I'm all for Latency standards, and accountability to maintain X standards. That are governed by a foreboding body, not a 'franchise' that may or may not act, and in its actions may or may not be effective. (Not to mention that doesn't have much to do with the backbone infrastructure).
For speeds -- I see it more of a ratio. Ten to One is pushing it a bit. Optimum is running Six to One.
So, take Optimum, use their ratio, push them to a 10Meg package. What is the net result?
10/1.5 (Technically 1.66) Sounds fair, and is easily doable with the infrastructure we have now. Charter could alter its 10meg plan to 10/1.5 -- which is not THAT much different.
Think about the 3meg plan -- Its 12/1 -- the 5meg plan is back to the 10/1 ratio.
If you take a look at DSL options, their ratios are all over the board with no seeming rhyme or reason. Bottom line, yes Upload speed can be boosted, for sure.. I just don't know how much demand warrants what 'ratio'.
I'd personally like to see symmetry -- But, not at the cost of drastically reduced download caps.
IE: I wouldn't want to lose my 10/1 to 5/5. (Some would though). I'd sacrifice a certain percentage of my download bandwidth for upstream though. Maybe 8/2, and so on.
It would be nice to have a dynamic pool.. Where you could have X amount of bandwidth.. say,.. Ok for 69$ we give you 20Mbps -- You can run 19/1 if you want, or 10/10 -- It doesn't matter. (Self configurable) -- But that's idealism, and not practical with the way things really work.
Lastly,.. Dave... You know the US is known for the show off of the 'I've got the Biggest' type of personality. So by nature we are going to shoot for the fastest speeds and not tend to the details.. (Latency, bah.) 
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dav0r
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join:2003-06-15
Albertville, MN
·Charter Pipeline
·Embarq
| Agree that 8/2 would be nicest in today's market. I had a friend who for a short time was at 8mbps down and only 256kbps up! They changed it to 512up but still that was WEIRD. I bet at least 1/2 of that upload was being used if not more when full download was happening. Too minimal. We'll see what the magic of the internet brings. |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA | I agree if we could get more upload it would be great. i just hope it comes soon. i also wouldn't mind more download but more upload would be really good since i play games on my 360, and i like to host |
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vlv723
join:2007-07-17
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I hope this service comes soon to my area (West Covina, CA)
Before I switched, VZ said Fios will be available very soon (Which means I think, next year)...the DL speed doesn't matter to me, but the UL speed does. Other countries are so ahead of us when it comes to UL speed.
Anyways, if Fios comes here sooner then I think, then I'm switching unless Charter retains me for a good deal and hopefully brings the 16/2 service here. |
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neofate
Caveat Depascor
Premium
join:2003-11-11
Birmingham, AL
| said by vlv723  : but the UL speed does. Other countries are so ahead of us when it comes to UL speed. Interesting..
What other countries that have networks the size and complexity of the United States 'are so ahead' of us?
I'm curious, because for a price you can have as much bandwidth as you want.. Here
In alot of other countries you pay by the amount of data sent, and caps are the norm. Here it is generally unlimited.
I'm not doubting you really,.. as I'm uninformed.. What other countries of 'comparable size and complexity' have much better/faster/cheaper networks?
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mbkowns
Got Bandwidth?
join:2003-07-01
Riverside, CA
| Called again today Texas is just getting rolled out on the 16mb / 2mb but riverside  haha last time when 10mb was comming out I remember texas getting upgraded then shortly after we did out here in riverside.
Hopefully soon
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | quote:
Texas is just getting rolled out on the 16mb / 2mb
Is 16/2 really being rolled out anywhere yet? |
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BIGDOG_3
join:2002-09-27
Belleville, WI
| said by Karl Bode : quote:
Texas is just getting rolled out on the 16mb / 2mb
Is 16/2 really being rolled out anywhere yet? Only where there is FIOS competition. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Can anyone cite specific markets? |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| I see a brief reference that's it's coming in this July report:
»www.cedmagazine.com/article.aspx?id=149890
quote:
Charter Communications CTO Marwan Fawaz noted that 60 to 70 percent of Charter’s IP traffic is peer to peer, and that there’s an expectation of 30 to 50 percent traffic growth every year for the next 10 years. “You have to invest in your network. It’s not sustainable to keep the speeds we have today.”
Those speeds are frequently 6 to 8 Mbps for cable operators (in contrast to France Telecom - that’s for data and voice only). Service providers are simply going to have to provide more bandwidth. Charter’s Fawaz and Kable Deutschland CTO Lorenz Glatz said their organizations would be increasing their top broadband speeds to 16 Mbps.
But I didn't know some people currently have it outside of testing? |
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HyPeRbAnD
join:2006-01-07
Stow, MA | reply to Karl Bode
Charter New England where FIOS is currently deployed. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to Karl Bode
...Keller TX since Feb. -- and other DFW sites
(modem is config-ed at 17.8/2.8 -- getting 17/2.3) |
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vlv723
join:2007-07-17
| reply to neofate
said by neofate :said by vlv723 : but the UL speed does. Other countries are so ahead of us when it comes to UL speed. Interesting.. What other countries that have networks the size and complexity of the United States 'are so ahead' of us? I'm curious, because for a price you can have as much bandwidth as you want.. Here In alot of other countries you pay by the amount of data sent, and caps are the norm. Here it is generally unlimited. I'm not doubting you really,.. as I'm uninformed.. What other countries of 'comparable size and complexity' have much better/faster/cheaper networks? Well I do check on Speedtest that some ISPs offer higher upload speeds in Europe then here...however, I seen that we got the best average upload in the US than anyone else, so I may be wrong...
Also, Verizon is lagging on their end as well as Charter. It's funny how the Fios location are available about 2 cities away each way (east & west) from where I'm at.
Out of curiosity, my brother just called me saying that Charter is in the back putting in a new box. Unsure what that is but does anyone know? Hopefully that's the 16/2 upgrade in the area. |
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dav0r
translate
Premium
join:2003-06-15
Albertville, MN
·Charter Pipeline
·Embarq
| reply to neofate
said by neofate :What other countries that have networks the size and complexity of the United States 'are so ahead' of us?...for a price you can have as much bandwidth as you want...a lot of other countries you pay by the amount of data sent... It's geographically specific from what I can tell but I know Japan, Sweden, and Hong Kong kick our butts even if you only consider metro areas. I remember a gigabit connection at least a year or two ago that was available in HK for under $400/month SYMMETRIC (can you say apartment WAP setup with friends in three languages?). You can get a whole T1 for that here, whee! (or max 2mbps public upload) I believe standard download in cities for major French ISPs is over 20mbps already and I'm guessing the upload is at least 2 and more likley 5mbps. Pretty sure we're far behind in both cost, options, and latency... the only thing that's true is that the US is much larger geographically... but still I don't understand why major metro areas can't keep up with Japan or any other area at least on some small scale. Internet options in the US are OK but I guarantee you that in France, UK, Sweden, or Japan you could get way more bandwidth for cheaper. Again, not considering some small town in Montana... I'm comparing say NYC or the Bay Area to London, Paris, Tokyo, Stockholm, etc. We pale in comparison. Sure it's partially due to supply/demand but a true jump from the vanilla 10/2 connection will cost you way more than $100. In Japan I believe you can get 100Mb LAN for $50 or $60 if I recall. Leeeetle bit different. |
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joker5656
join:2006-06-23
Dallas, GA
·Charter Pipeline
| Well i called charter today and talked to a sales person about said subject line. the guy seemed like he knew a little but gave me confidence. i asked him if he knew when it was coming to my area (Upstate SC) and he said its still in testing right now, and that it should be rolling out in a few months at most on a national level, he said its not for sure but he said when it does come out that my area should be one of the first. Now how true this is we will see. i know when they were testing the 10/1 it took a few months, so hopefully real soon |
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