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4 edits | Conrad Black Guilty On 4 of 13 Charges
The most serious of which is obstruction of justice relating to that video of him removing boxes from his office, violating a court order.
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donoreo
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North York, ON | Re: Conrad Black Guilt On 3 of 13 Charges
4 of 13 charges actually. He could get 35 years, but they think 3 to 9 years in reality. I say goo job, nail his arrogant fat ass.
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From my limited understanding of the case, it looks like the jury did a very competent job.
I have mixed feelings about Black. On one hand he was smart, articulate, witty, cultured, and an amazing entrepreneur. On the other he was arrogant, vindictive, and possessed of such an incredible sense of entitlement that I think it blinded him to the criminality of his actions.
This could ruin him financially and the jail time could be significant.
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It's not illegal to be an arrogant ass, but clearly the jury felt that certain of his arrogant actions were illegal. I still wonder about that obstruction charge (apparently he was complying with an eviction notice). I'd say he probably got bad legal advice on which instructions to follow (courts vs. landlord).
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Snickerdo
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The Obstruction conviction is the most serious, but at the same time will probably carry the lightest sentence. I can't see him getting more then three or so years, and probably not seeing much of that time in jail. |
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Mississauga, ON | Yeah, any jail time will be served at a Club Fed somewhere.
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He'll probably get to go to a minimum security five-star prison. |
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digitalfutur
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Yep, 4 it now is.
He's to surrender his passport until July 19th, at which time there will be a hearing to determine if should be kept in custory until the sentencing hearing on Nov. 30.
Given the time between now and then, I think he should be released on bail. After all, he's a first time non-violent offender...
Edit: typo.
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He's had so much time to live with so much money, so why would he give a shit, he probably lived a fun life lol.
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I heard one American lawyer say this verdict will open the
flood gates of civil litigation and that Black and his estate
(if he doesn't live that long) will be tied up in these cases
for 30 years.
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said by mr weather  :Yeah, any jail time will be served at a Club Fed somewhere. Is he coming back to Canada to serve the sentence?
I don't think there are "Club Feds" in the US? Someone from the US clarify for me? |
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| He renounced his Canadian citizenship in order to be able to acquire the British title of Lord Black of Crossharbour. According to Wikipedia,
...even if he were to regain his right to reside in the country "Canadian citizenship can't be granted to those who are criminally inadmissible and neither the minister nor the governor in council (cabinet) can override that," according to an immigration department spokesperson.
The loss of his Canadian citizenship also makes it impossible for Black to be transferred to a Canadian prison where he would be eligible for parole much sooner than if he were to serve time in the United States or Britain.
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Wouldn't it be possible for him to claim citizenship by birth, regardless of any other qualifications? |
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I used to have such a crush on Barbara Amiel.  |
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Black committed the ultimate White Collar crime in America. Stealing from the stockholders. Stealing for the stockholders is generally excused. And the criminal conviction is just the beginning. He will be pursued in civil court until the day he dies and even beyond.
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said by Snickerdo :Wouldn't it be possible for him to claim citizenship by birth, regardless of any other qualifications? No. He now has a criminal record. He can't even be admitted to Canada.
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Black's reputation is assured. Not as a capitalist privateer, but as a scholarly historian. The books on FDR and Richard Nixon, will, a hundred years from now, assure Lord Black's positive reputation. His biography will note his financial difficulties later in life, but nothing more.
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Conrad Black lived a relatively quiet unostentatious existenence until he met, courted and married Ms Amiel. Then began his exessive spending trying to impress. History is full of people whose lives are undone for a woman.
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donoreo
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According to the Toronto Star, the British government is considering stripping titles from Lords who serve more than a year in prison. I am sure that will get a mention, if it happens.
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Re: Conrad Black Guilt On 3 of 13 Charges
There are different security levels of prisons in the federal system just as there are in the various states' prison systems.
»www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/index.jsp
It is up to the U. S. Bureau of Prisons to determine where he will serve his time.
A minimum security facility can be something such as a separate purpose prison or it can be part of the holding cells on a military base, for example.
For the truly bad types, there is always a place like Marion, Illinois which is one of the federal supermax prisons.
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