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Time4aNAP
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join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL
reply to Michieru2

Re: It don't mean a thing....

You can only take a metaphor so far. Let's stick with what "locking the barn door after the horses have escaped" means.

Although you use open-source software for your multimedia needs to simply strip the DRM you are removing the protections the music industry has set in place. You do not decide where you can play your music, the industry does, which is why I am sure THC will just label you as some criminal right about now. No matter the quality they still own the rights to that music.
And when I enter into a contract to obtain certain rights to that music, so do I. No amount of name-calling, from THC or anybody else will make anyone a criminal. And yes, I do decide where and when I play my music, as well as what I play. The RIAA might want to take that choice away from me, but the fact is that they aren't that powerful.

I also never stated or meant to say that music should be abolished, I am just saying that it's purpose is lost by making it a business which in return seeks profit from music itself. Hell anyone who thinks they should abolish music is a mad man.
You'd better believe in a sanity clause, then. Because musicians are the cornerstone of the music industry. Without them you have no music. So if the music industry goes away, so does music.

The sad part is that when they popped the magic question of "How many here illegally download music?" The entire audience was with raised hands.
The thing that I find sad about that is that the audience would have raised their hands if asked any number of questions, ranging from marital infidelity, to traffic offenses to cheating on their taxes. But that's another topic.

If you're trying to suggest that, because a group of people somewhere believed that they had done something illegal, without first getting legal council to determine if that was actually the fact, that you can extrapolate that small sample to say that every music listener is a criminal, you're just making a slippery slope. Your example of the psychological phenomenon that causes people to believe most anything if it's repeated enough times underscores how people are all too willing to be lead around by their nose by others. That audience was being manipulated.

Right now we face a singular problem: a trade association that has completely abandoned the charter under which it was established, and has become a parasite. In case you didn't know, taking money from people under false pretenses is a crime. The RIAA is a criminal enterprise. Although the federal justice department is currently unable to do its job, there are still 50 state's attorney offices that can prosecute this case. Any one of them could bring down the RIAA.

But for some reason, the artists who ought to be lining up to file criminal complaints, aren't. Are they being paid off to not report that they've been ripped off? That seems to be an oxymoron, but stranger things have happened. Are they being intimidated? Possibly. Time will tell.
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL

The music industry we are referring to here is those that are the distributors of the content providers which are the musicians themselves.

You can think of a cow as a musician, but the one who packages the milk, cleans and purifies it for you to drink safely is the distributor/RIAA.

A.k.a

Sony BMG
Warner Bros
Ultra Records

and so forth.

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

We can change the metaphor if you want, but I am trying to make my message as clear as glass.

But

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

We can change the metaphor if you want but I am trying to make my message clear as glass.

Also remember when I said some artists are dumb as a door bell? Well now you k

Also any audience is manipulated, because I am sure one of the most notorious (Sony BMG) popped that question. They know people download music illegally, they just don't know how to stop it. They where expecting a safe ground of a few of those who will go "Yeah I do! WOOO!" while the rest of the audience remained quiet.

They cannot find someone that agrees with their point of view. So to even bring up "it's illegal and wrong" discussion was irrelevant.

Also we can change the metaphor if you want but I am trying to make my message as clear as possible.

Also remember when I said some artists are dumb as a door bell? Well now you know why they are not suing.
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Time4aNAP
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join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL

I'd prefer to do without the metaphors altogether.

The music industry includes a lot of honorable professions. I don't like being lumped together with the Big Three record labels when my involvement in the music industry has nothing whatsoever to do with the production of records (that includes CD and other media as well). Call a spade a spade, but leave the clubs, hearts and diamonds out of it.
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Michieru2
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Miami, FL

Again maybe you know something or how things work better than I do on the matter but the overall picture and aura given out by the music industry is not a good one.
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Duct tape, saving lives since 1942.


Time4aNAP
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join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL

With all due respect, you might want to examine your own actions, or lack thereof, when handing out blame. The recording industry (the "RI" in RIAA) is a separate entity from the music industry. Not all music is recorded, and not all recordings are music. In fact, spoken voice recordings outnumber musical recordings, both in number and total length.

During the Vietnam War, America's enemies were varied and cunning. However this didn't justify indiscriminate retaliation, like the My Lai massacre. Fortunately the RIAA shenanigans are a far cry from the death and destruction of warfare, but the same principles apply. So if you don't know who is friend or foe, it's best to hold your tongue until you do.
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Dead webcasters don't make cents.