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Re: Windows to become Adware and User Data Collection Service
As strange as it sounds, perhaps they are considering an ad supported 'free' version...*giggles*  |
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said by swhx7  :One possible use would be an adware PC deal: poor people get the hardware and OS for cheap or free, in exchange for being subjected to unavoidable ads. While the "for free or cheap" part made me chuckle, you may be onto something here about differentiated pricing. Avoiding ads for a higher purchase price and/or regular monthly payments might be more like it --- a paid un-subscription.
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Trel
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What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows?
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That sounds like one more reason to migrate to Mac OS or Linux. |
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said by fatness :While the "for free or cheap" part made me chuckle, you may be onto something here about differentiated pricing. Avoiding ads for a higher purchase price and/or regular monthly payments might be more like it --- a paid un-subscription.
I knew I'd seen something about this before.
said by article :
"As Web advertising grows and consumer revenues shrink, we need to consider creating ad-supported versions of our software," two Microsoft researchers and an MSN employee wrote in a paper presented to company executives earlier this year. The document was prepared for one of Microsoft's twice-yearly Thinkweek exercises, in which Chairman Bill Gates and other top executives gather to consider potential new avenues for the company to follow.
Microsoft officials confirmed the authenticity of the paper, dated Winter 2005, but declined to comment on its contents.
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The other possibility is that they will have tiered levels of monthly subscriptions......i.e, for $99 a month, you will get no ads at all, the platinum version of Winblows. $59 a month will get you the Gold version which will only give you one pop up a day....The silver version for $29 a month gives you ten pop ups a day.........the bronze version gives you 40 pop ups a day which can not be closed......and transmits your email address, bank account #, ip address and home address to advertisers. |
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ilago
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I remember seeing that. But when I was looking for supporting references for this thread, I forgot about going back to the Claria proposal.
From the same article 
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One suggestion is a low-end version of the operating system that comes bundled with other ad-supported programs, such as Works, Outlook Express and Windows Media Player. However, the writers point out that "it's not clear how to prevent these elements from being replaced."
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Khaine
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ilago
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said by Trel :What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows? I thought about the Xbox and Zune being possible uses, but the market would be more difficult to deal with on both. They have competition on both. If I was kid in a middle of a game, I'd be spewing if some popup appeared when I was trying to do something.
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| said by ilago :said by Trel :What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows? I thought about the Xbox and Zune being possible uses, but the market would be more difficult to deal with on both. They have competition on both. If I was kid in a middle of a game, I'd be spewing if some popup appeared when I was trying to do something. It really comes back to Windows somehow Well I was thinking if it was for the Xbox, it might be more along the lines of looking at what games you've played and displaying ads for similar games you might like. Which could be introduced as a "feature".
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We've seen "Internet Service Providers" touting their metamorphosis to "content providers". I suspect this is Microsoft's way to become a "content provider" by way of their operating system. Their past and continued integration of non-operating system functions like office and internet applications is the foundation for further development of this concept.
It's one more step in the direction of an internet service or product vendor obtaining and retaining a captive audience to whom it can provide preferred information, and discourage that deemed by the provider to be unhelpful or competitive.
Those who control the content and flow of information will control the future of nations and the people in them.
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said by SUMware :said by swhx7 :The capability for data-mining users already exists in Windows, especially Vista. See for example this other Slashdot story today with links on how Vista routinely stores copious information about what each user has been doing on the computer over a long period of time. Thanks for the link. From that article: From ABA Journal (American Bar Association)Microsoft's Vista stores much more data—and may affect the discovery process By Jason Krause Why is that a revelation? Common sense should tell someone that, given the technologies referred to, those forensic possibilities exist.
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I might be remiss, but MS have always had control of YOUR PC, via their kernel application @ will. I was always intrigued that the 'Genuine Windows' BS surfaced; BTW, they took care of that on the last critical updates....
It's PR on the whole in respect to what MS professors on the front end, the back end they have complete control. Actually MS no longer has a need for patents, with VISTA; It's a controlled environment with driver issues to boot.
It's sad in some ways that people have ended up depending on MS for productivity and get caught in the expensive sub group program scenario.
MS provided many things [Stolen on occasion], but these days are left wanting!
Linux is viable and productive, but it took years to get it mainstream and user friendly. I don't doubt for a single minute that MS has pushed the limits of acceptability in use and over the next few years will head down the Bell Curve. I came in on the ground floor of MS and know it's history.
The problem is that there are still many 'New' PC users that will still depend on MS @ least until 2010, then I believe those creating a Kernel OS / Linux will become the mavericks of reality.
Edit, not 201, but 2010; on that note we are past 101  |
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As much as I've loved the whole computing experience with Microsoft since owning my first computer in 2002, I'm not sure if I could live with being force fed ads. I hope and pray it isn't true or if it is that they don't do something like that to people. I try to maintain some level of control but came to the conclusion a couple years ago that a computer would never truly be mine regardless of how much I paid for the machine and software installed on it. It's Microsoft's machine that I pay to use. Most things I don't mind and just go with the flow, but forced ads will break this camel's back.
It will likely be a long time before I can afford a new system, and if Microsoft happens to be forcing advertisements down people's throats when that time comes, then I'll look for an alternative. The older I get, the less important gaming and some other things seem, so I won't be too picky about an alternative as long as it meets a few basic needs like working with video, photos, emailing and surfing the net. Mac is the first that comes to mind but I'm open to try about anything in order to avoid forced ads, yet in the end I'd rather stick with Microsoft if possible.
I've joined in the jokes before about Mac and Linux users with friends and family, but now many of them that at one time swore they would never use anything but Microsoft have switched to something else, and Vista seems to be the butt of most computer user jokes. I don't base decisions on what others do, yet this is an uncomfortable time, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't at least have some influence. I wouldn't go as far as to say the Giant is teetering, but I hope the folks over at Microsoft are at least smart enough to feel the beginning tremors running through the Giant's legs.
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Those who control the content and flow of information will control the future of nations and the people in them.
That's the one that worries me. We never know what we had until we lose it |
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I can see this coming but as long as they offer a paid alternative it will be more tolerable. And how much the paid alternative costs will determine MS's future IMO. EA does it now with in game ads (like the new BF series), and PC gaming is on the way out to a degree because of the architecture moving too fast forcing people to upgrade while at the same time PC games suck lately, and like someone mentioned above I'm about ready to get out of the PC gaming scene anyway because as I get older I would rather tinker with software and general PC tech not so much gaming PC tech, and that in and of itself lends me many more OS options especially not worrying about frame rates and SLI/Crossfire/Playable with certain LCD resolutions etc..
Mac_OSX and Ubuntu (which I dual boot to now anyway) becomes the clear choice if MS gets any more silly than it already is. |
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said by Portmonkey :As much as I've loved the whole computing experience with Microsoft since owning my first computer in 2002, First computer in 2002? Geez, now I feel old with my circa 1983-4 comps. Thanks. |
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jjoshua
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So what. They filed a patent application.
Do they need to file a patent application to do anything? No.
What's your point? |
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| said by jjoshua :So what. They filed a patent application. Do they need to file a patent application to do anything? No. What's your point? It gives some insight into Microsoft's thinking and future plans. That might be interesting to people that use Microsoft's products.
(NOTE: I'm a Red Hat user so I don't care either way. lol) |
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When we're looking at this patent (and as you may guess/know it's not the only one registered by this company with these ideas) it's time to recollect one important move that m$ has already done in this direction with offering its brand new OS. Collection of user data is just one part of the implementation of that idea (and recent changed in OS / IE7 undoubtedly show that they're obsessed with it). Second important part is moving the data from customer computer to external servers. And to facilitate moving data from user computer to any content provider now new Vista OS has equipped with deeply embedded DRM. As you know DRM is a kernel level channel which is well protected from computer user. Its purpose is to transfer data from / to computer without any user consent or even any knowledge of what and when is transferred. Got the idea?
m$ did a good job convincing many of its customers that it's done to protect copyrighted music, video content... in other words to protect investments of organizations like RIAA. Year, right. I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell if you can't connect two dots together...
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