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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/356416"><b>Link Logger</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  wapu <A HREF="/useremail/u/468775"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Maybe they are applying for the patent to keep anyone else from doing it? ;-)</DIV>Given there are lots of patent leaches out there like NTP, and the very sad state of the patent office, its almost to the point that you have to patent everything in sight to protect yourself and your clients from these dirt bags, and given that who discovered or invented the technology in question doesn't seem to matter, just who patents it first, companies have to defend themselves and their clients from all sorts of stupidity courtesy of the fiasco called the US Patent Office.<br><br>If it was up to me I'd trash the whole system and start over as that is the only way this mess is going to get fixed.<br><br>Blake<br><SMALL>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</A> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/767726"><b>StraitShoot</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Psicop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1304319"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Nah! They are just too scared of the increased Linux, Mac and other OS users.<br><br>Hope one day this company goes into oblivion.<br> </DIV>Do what I did.. When I needed to get an OS, I bought Win 2000 SP4 off EBay for $20 total. I LOVE IT! If M$ gets smart, I will get either Mac or Linux...<br><br>I have a high ranking relative (by marriage) that works for M$ and I can't stand M$. LOL<br><SMALL>--<br>Don't Forever Alter Your Computer! Don't Install or Use Anything with Kaspersky or AOL, including AOL Active Virus Shield!<br><br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : From <A HREF="http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUKN0121019020070801">Reuters</A><br>Aug 2, 2007: <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Microsoft Corp. said on Wednesday it will offer a free, advertising-supported version of its basic productivity software, Microsoft Works, as part of a test program with computers manufacturers.<br><br>The world's largest software maker has been pondering the future of Microsoft Works, its basic spreadsheet and word processing software, in the face of rising competition from Google Inc.'s suite of business software services.<br><br>Unlike Google Docs and Spreadsheets, which are delivered through an Internet browser, Microsoft plans to pre-install Works on computers and display advertisements stored in cache. The software normally retails for $39.99.<br><br>When a user connects to the Internet while using Works, that cache of ads will refresh, said Melissa Stern, a Microsoft senior product manager in the Office group.<br><br>The company plans to roll out the advertising-supported Microsoft Works SE 9 in a few months. Microsoft would not disclose either the PC makers with which it was working or the markets for the test program.<br><br>Google and other Internet rivals are threatening to topple Microsoft's dominant position in desktop software with software services delivered over the Web supported by advertising or subscriptions.<br><br>Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer has said the company needs to embrace the "software as a service" movement without abandoning its bread-and-butter desktop products. The company has invested heavily in its Web advertising business with the goal of building a powerhouse to rival Google.<br><br>One of the goals of the test program is to figure out if there is a viable business model for advertising supported software, Stern said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:49:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  astirusty <A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps.</DIV>Strange, I thought that was Apple back in 1984: <br>(youtube clip)<br> :D    :)<br> </DIV>That video never gets old.  lol]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:06:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself  -- but they do want to control access to the data. </DIV>But you miss the point I was trying to make. Whether the data live on Windows desktop systems or Windows server systems, Microsoft controls access to the data. Already.<br><br>So I'd say Microsoft isn't driving the move to server-centered infosystems; Microsoft is selling to IT people who already want that. </DIV>Ah.  The people are pushing for a more centralized model.  Ok, I can buy that.  My "people" aren't -- but I can see Windows folks doing that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269961"><b>astirusty</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps.</DIV>Strange, I thought that was Apple back in 1984: <p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0dxggOGkGP4"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0dxggOGkGP4" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dxggOGkGP4" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dxggOGkGP4</A></center><br> :D    :)<br><SMALL>--<br>Do yourself a favor, just say no to anything Windows.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:05:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/755055"><b>OZO</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  salzan <A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I still believe MS is sorry they ever let it get out.<br> </DIV>Not sure about a prospective income, but these patents surely will cost m$ money, and I mean, a big money...<br><SMALL>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:07:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR> <br>There is one bright spot in all of this. I am pretty sure that  B. Carpenter, G. Vargas, K. Johnson, and S. Scott will shortly receive, via U.S. mail, targetted advertising offering to have their patent award commemorated via a handsome plaque, suitable for display on office walls. And for a low, low price of $195.<br><br><SMALL>For the uninitiated: there are companies that apparently mail out offers of such trinkets to all patent awardees. Google for 'patent award plaque' and you'll get the idea.</SMALL><br> </DIV>Not to mention the weekly friendly letters from all those wonderful patent promo companies on Spear St. in San Francisco.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/928459"><b>salzan</b></A> : I agree. 2K is the closest thing to Linux freedom with the addition of being able to run games and Windows apps without using something like Wine. You can rebuild your hardware at will <I>without activation.</I> Drivers are readily available. I got really selective about patches about a year ago and if it doesn't apply to me, it's not here. IMO it's the best Windows to date. I like it so much I bought more 2K licenses instead of buying XP.<br><br>I still believe MS is sorry they ever let it get out.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:00:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by patent application :</SMALL><HR>Inventors: &#9; Carpenter; Bradley L.; (Carnation, WA) ; Vargas; Garrett R.; (Sammamish, WA) ; Johnson; Krista L.; (Newcastle, WA) ; Searle; Scott; (Kirkland, WA)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>There is one bright spot in all of this. I am pretty sure that  B. Carpenter, G. Vargas, K. Johnson, and S. Scott will shortly receive, via U.S. mail, targetted advertising offering to have their patent award commemorated via a handsome plaque, suitable for display on office walls. And for a low, low price of $195.<br><br><SMALL>For the uninitiated: there are companies that apparently mail out offers of such trinkets to all patent awardees. Google for 'patent award plaque' and you'll get the idea.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : What I find very disturbing about this patent application is this:- "The ability to derive and process context data from <B>local</B> sources rather than monitor interactions with a remote entity, such as a server, benefits both consumers and advertisers by delivering more tightly targeted advertisements"<br><br>Yes yes... lets just patent the methods which "some" adware vendors were starting to adopt to protect the user's privacy and adopt more privacy-friendly business models. Companies using these methods will be driven back to their old ways rather than face potential patent infringement issues.... they will start transmitting your personal info out to their servers again.....<br><br>well done Microsoft... they must have had their best brains on this one.....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : I think this post from the arstechnia forums sums it up nicely.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The truth comes out: Windows users are not customers. They're the product. The customers are advertisers and the content industries.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&amp;s=50009562&amp;f=174096756&amp;m=176008716831&amp;r=176008716831" >episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/for&middot;&middot;&middot;08716831</A><br><br>What are they thinking of  :mad:]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:42:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><b>caffeinator</b></A> : Oh darn, I still use Win2K..hack dis Micro$oft...you GAVE me the OS, it's mine now. I didnt have the oem EULA.<br><br>Oh wait you cant, i removed all your crapware from this install and blocked all your servers.. Bubbye.<br><br>It does everything i ask of it, and updates can kiss my ass, i use their own mailing list and d/l manually, no drm, no wga, ever.<br><br>It's run just fine for over four years, and more in previous owner's...guess what, it's a Emachine. But it won't die, It takes anything I throw at it.<br><br>They stop supporting this OS, big deal, I got two comps on linux anyways.<br><br>I could run this OS forever, un-patched, as I, behind a *nix firewall and don't really give a dam, have for a long time.<br><br>Screw what M$ says.<br><br>They taught me alright..too well.<br><br>Only noobs get owned...poor them.<br><br>I not only learned, I became part of that hacker culture..learn sh1t people..then ya won't be sheeple.<br><br>It isn't a damn toaster.<br><br>-CaFF<br><SMALL>--<br>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A. Einstein<BR><BR>Need an Avatar? Check out <A HREF="http://www.darkgrid.com/wafen/">Wafen's Avatar Pages</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><b>fatness</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by  Doctor Four <A HREF="/useremail/u/197199"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><HR>&raquo;<A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070717-microsoft-patents-the-mother-of-all-adware-systems.html" >arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20&middot;&middot;&middot;ems.html</A><br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There's more. Let's see how people like the sound of this (bolding mine):  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The application, filed in 2006, describes a multi-faceted, robust ad-delivering system that <B>lives on a "user computer, whether it's part of the OS, an application or integrated within applications.</B>"<br><br>"Applications, tools, or utilities may use an application program interface <B>to report context data tags such as key words or other information that may be used to target advertisements</B>," says the filing. "The advertising framework may host several components for receiving and processing the context data, refining the data, requesting advertisements from an advertising supplier, for receiving and forwarding advertisements to a display client for presentation, and for providing data back to the advertising supplier."<br><br>The adware framework would leave almost no data untouched in its quest to sell you stuff. <B>It would inspect "user document files, user e-mail files, user music files, downloaded podcasts, computer settings, computer status messages</B> (e.g., a low memory status or low printer ink)," and more. How could we have been so blind as to not see the marketing value in computer status messages?<br><br>The <B>software would also free advertising from its traditional browser yoke</B>. "A word processor may display a banner ad along the top of a window, similar to a toolbar, while a graphical ad may be displayed in a frame associated with the application. A digital editor for photos or movies may support video-based advertisements," the patent application says. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://media.putfile.com/midget-and-tree">Sure, that'll work.<A>.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:36:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself  -- but they do want to control access to the data. </DIV>But you miss the point I was trying to make. Whether the data live on Windows desktop systems or Windows server systems, Microsoft controls access to the data. Already.<br><br>So I'd say Microsoft isn't driving the move to server-centered infosystems; Microsoft is selling to IT people who already want that.<br> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:17:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/197199"><b>Doctor Four</b></A> : Adding more fuel to the fire:<br><br><B>Microsoft patents the mother of all adware systems</B><br><br>From Ars Technica:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>It's such a tremendously bad idea that it's almost bound to<br> succeed. Microsoft has filed another patent, this one for an<br> "advertising framework" that uses "context data" from your<br> hard drive to show you advertisements and "apportion and <br>credit advertising revenue" to ad suppliers in real time. Yes,<br> Redmond wants to own the patent on the mother of all adware.<br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070717-microsoft-patents-the-mother-of-all-adware-systems.html" >arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20&middot;&middot;&middot;ems.html</A><br><br>This appears to be different from the earlier patent they<br>filed, but it has ominous implications privacy-wise if <br>they follow through on it.<br><SMALL>--<br>"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)<br>We are the Hacker Collective: Resistance Is Futile - All Your AACS Keys Will Be Assimilated.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</SMALL><BR><BR>Now, it's all about control and restrictions.</DIV>Why does 'Microsoft' want to control whether the data live on (Windows) desktops or (Windows) servers?</DIV>I don't know.  Not being someone who uses the product, I can only speculate.  I don't believe MS wants to control the data itself  -- but they do want to control access to the data.   Maybe not control the access themselves (MS is not evil empire despite what some people say) but they are enabling more controls and limitations to data.<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I think Microsoft simply wants to sell product, and corporate IT departments want to buy those products that allow them to assert control. </DIV>You said it much better than I could.  More control is moving back to the "server" and away from the client.  Again, not a complaint from me since we don't have these issues in Red Hat land (we have other issues. lol).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  redhatnation <A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>Now, it's all about control and restrictions.</DIV>Why does 'Microsoft' want to control whether the data live on (Windows) desktops or (Windows) servers?<br><br>I think Microsoft simply wants to sell product, and corporate IT departments want to buy those products that allow them to assert control.<br><br>Oh, by the way, we went back to the central server model in the late 80's when we were all using X terminals.  :-)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817075"><b>Kiwi</b></A> : Don't you mean the late 70's, early 80's.<br><br>Just wait till MS decides to do away with leasing Windows via software and starts leasing off their servers, that I don't think is so far off; but then it will be <I>"Yer, I heard of MS once..."</I>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  OZO <A HREF="/useremail/u/755055"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Second important part is moving the data from customer computer to external servers. And to facilitate moving data from user computer to any content provider now new Vista OS has equipped with deeply embedded DRM. <br> </DIV>You raise an interesting point.  Microsoft appears to be moving back towards centralized host/dumb terminal model of computing.  A model we left behind when the client/server model came out back in the early 90s.  I'm not attacking Microsoft -- their OS, their rules -- but it's interesting how Microsoft seems to have come full circle.  Back in the day, they were all about "empowering" end-users with features and apps.<br><br>Now, it's all about control and restrictions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/755055"><b>OZO</b></A> : When we're looking at this patent (and as you may guess/know it's not the only one registered by this company with these ideas) it's time to recollect one important move that m$ has already done in this direction with offering its brand new OS. Collection of user data is just one part of the implementation of that idea (and recent changed in OS / IE7 undoubtedly show that they're obsessed with it). Second important part is moving the data from customer computer to external servers. And to facilitate moving data from user computer to any content provider now new Vista OS has equipped with deeply embedded DRM. As you know DRM is a kernel level channel which is well protected from computer user. Its purpose is to transfer data from / to computer without any user consent or even any knowledge of what and when is transferred. Got the idea?<br><br>m$ did a good job convincing many of its customers that it's done to protect copyrighted music, video content... in other words to protect investments of organizations like RIAA. Year, right. I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell if you can't connect two dots together...<br><SMALL>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jjoshua <A HREF="/useremail/u/401000"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>So what.  They filed a patent application.<br><br>Do they need to file a patent application to do anything?  No.<br><br>What's your point?<br> </DIV>It gives some insight into Microsoft's thinking and future plans.  That might be interesting to people that use Microsoft's products.<br><br>(NOTE:  I'm a Red Hat user so I don't care either way. lol)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/401000"><b>jjoshua</b></A> : So what.  They filed a patent application.<br><br>Do they need to file a patent application to do anything?  No.<br><br>What's your point?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1212758"><b>redhatnation</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Portmonkey <A HREF="/useremail/u/986420"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>As much as I've loved the whole computing experience with Microsoft since owning my first computer in 2002,  </DIV>First computer in 2002?  Geez, now I feel old with my circa 1983-4 comps.  Thanks.  :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085933"><b>Toby983</b></A> : I can see this coming but as long as they offer a paid alternative it will be more tolerable. And how much the paid alternative costs will determine MS's future IMO. EA does it now with in game ads (like the new BF series), and PC gaming is on the way out to a degree because of the architecture moving too fast forcing people to upgrade while at the same time PC games suck lately, and like someone mentioned above I'm about ready to get out of the PC gaming scene anyway because as I get older I would rather tinker with software and general PC tech not so much gaming PC tech, and that in and of itself lends me many more OS options especially not worrying about frame rates and SLI/Crossfire/Playable with certain LCD resolutions etc..<br><br>Mac_OSX and Ubuntu (which I dual boot to now anyway) becomes the clear choice if MS gets any more silly than it already is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Those who control the content and flow of information will control the future of nations and the people in them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>That's the one that worries me. We never know what we had until we lose it :hmm: ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/986420"><b>Portmonkey</b></A> : As much as I've loved the whole computing experience with Microsoft since owning my first computer in 2002, I'm not sure if I could live with being force fed ads. I hope and pray it isn't true or if it is that they don't do something like that to people. I try to maintain some level of control but came to the conclusion a couple years ago that a computer would never truly be mine regardless of how much I paid for the machine and software installed on it. It's Microsoft's machine that I pay to use. Most things I don't mind and just go with the flow, but forced ads will break this camel's back.<br><br>It will likely be a long time before I can afford a new system, and if Microsoft happens to be forcing advertisements down people's throats when that time comes, then I'll look for an alternative. The older I get, the less important gaming and some other things seem, so I won't be too picky about an alternative as long as it meets a few basic needs like working with video, photos, emailing and surfing the net. Mac is the first that comes to mind but I'm open to try about anything in order to avoid forced ads, yet in the end I'd rather stick with Microsoft if possible. <br><br>I've joined in the jokes before about Mac and Linux users with friends and family, but now many of them that at one time swore they would never use anything but Microsoft have switched to something else, and Vista seems to be the butt of most computer user jokes. I don't base decisions on what others do, yet this is an uncomfortable time, and I'd be lying if I said it didn't at least have some influence. I wouldn't go as far as to say the Giant is teetering, but I hope the folks over at Microsoft are at least smart enough to feel the beginning tremors running through the Giant's legs.  :hmm:      <br><SMALL>--<br>Some days I start by scrambling to make the best of life's little failures and other days I just want them over easy.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:19:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817075"><b>Kiwi</b></A> : I might be remiss, but MS have always had control of YOUR PC, via their kernel application @ will. I was always intrigued that the 'Genuine Windows' BS surfaced; BTW, they took care of that on the last critical updates....<br><br>It's PR on the whole in respect to what MS professors on the front end, the back end they have complete control. Actually MS no longer has a need for patents, with VISTA; It's a controlled environment with driver issues to boot.<br><br>It's sad in some ways that people have ended up depending on MS for productivity and get caught in the expensive sub group program scenario.<br><br>MS provided many things [Stolen on occasion], but these days are left wanting!<br><br>Linux is viable and productive, but it took years to get it mainstream and user friendly. I don't doubt for a single minute that MS has pushed the limits of acceptability in use and over the next few years will head down the Bell Curve. I came in on the ground floor of MS and know it's history.<br><br>The problem is that there are still many 'New' PC users that will still depend on MS @ least until 2010, then I believe those creating a Kernel OS / Linux will become the mavericks of reality.<br><br>Edit, not 201, but 2010; on that note we are past 101 :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:30:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/658856"><b>javaMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  SUMware <A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  swhx7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>The capability for data-mining users already exists in Windows, especially Vista. See for example <A HREF="http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/14/071237.shtml">this other Slashdot story today</A> with links on how Vista routinely stores copious information about what each user has been doing on the computer over a long period of time.</DIV>Thanks for the link.<br><br>From that article:<br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.abanet.org/journal/ereport/jy13tkjasn.html">ABA Journal (American Bar Association)</A><br><br>Microsoft's Vista stores much more data&#151;and may affect the discovery process<br>By Jason Krause<br></DIV>Why is that a revelation?  Common sense should tell someone that, given the technologies referred to, those forensic possibilities exist.<br><SMALL>--<br>Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness. . . Isa. 5:20</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:42:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/668609"><b>EGeezer</b></A> : We've seen "Internet Service Providers" touting their metamorphosis to "content providers". I suspect this is Microsoft's way to become a "content provider" by way of their operating system. Their past and continued integration of non-operating system functions like office and internet applications is the foundation for further development of this concept. <br><br>It's one more step in the direction of an internet service or product vendor obtaining and retaining a captive audience to whom it can provide preferred information, and discourage that deemed by the provider to be unhelpful or competitive. <br><br><SMALL>Those who control the content and flow of information will control the future of nations and the people in them.</SMALL> <br><SMALL>--<br>The society which scorns excellence in plumbing as a humble activity and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because it is an exalted activity will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy: neither its pipes or its theories will hold water.<br></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/700992"><b>Trel</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ilago <A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Trel <A HREF="/useremail/u/700992"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows?<br> </DIV>I thought about the Xbox and Zune being possible uses, but the market would be more difficult to deal with on both. They have competition on both. If I was kid in a middle of a game, I'd be spewing if some popup appeared when I was trying to do something.<br><br>It really comes back to Windows somehow  :hmm:<br> </DIV>Well I was thinking if it was for the Xbox, it might be more along the lines of looking at what games you've played and displaying ads for similar games you might like.  Which could be introduced as a "feature".<br><SMALL>--<br>/chown -R us:us /yourbase</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Trel <A HREF="/useremail/u/700992"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows?<br> </DIV>I thought about the Xbox and Zune being possible uses, but the market would be more difficult to deal with on both. They have competition on both. If I was kid in a middle of a game, I'd be spewing if some popup appeared when I was trying to do something.<br><br>It really comes back to Windows somehow  :hmm:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/779741"><b>Khaine</b></A> : Wouldn't this just encourage more people to move to macs or try linux?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:14:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : I remember seeing that. But when I was looking for supporting references for this thread, I forgot about going back to the Claria proposal.<br><br>From the same article  :huh:<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>One suggestion is a low-end version of the operating system that comes bundled with other ad-supported programs, such as Works, Outlook Express and Windows Media Player. However, the writers point out that "it's not clear how to prevent these elements from being replaced."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/540890"><b>tomj1225</b></A> : The other possibility is that they will have tiered levels of monthly subscriptions......i.e, for $99 a month, you will get no ads at all, the platinum version of Winblows. $59 a month will get you the Gold version which will only give you one pop up a day....The silver version for $29 a month gives you ten pop ups a day.........the bronze version gives you 40 pop ups a day which can not be closed......and transmits your email address, bank account #, ip address and home address to advertisers.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:38:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><b>swhx7</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  fatness <A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>While the "for free or cheap" part made me chuckle, you may be onto something here about differentiated pricing. Avoiding ads for a higher purchase price and/or regular monthly payments might be more like it --- a paid un-subscription. </DIV><BR>I knew I'd seen something about this before. <br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <A HREF="http://news.com.com/Microsoft+eyes+making+desktop+apps+free/2100-1014_3-5951569.html">article</A> :</SMALL><HR> "As Web advertising grows and consumer revenues shrink, we need to consider creating ad-supported versions of our software," two Microsoft researchers and an MSN employee wrote in a paper presented to company executives earlier this year. The document was prepared for one of Microsoft's twice-yearly Thinkweek exercises, in which Chairman Bill Gates and other top executives gather to consider potential new avenues for the company to follow.<br><br>Microsoft officials confirmed the authenticity of the paper, dated Winter 2005, but declined to comment on its contents.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/486454"><b>Curiosity</b></A> : That sounds like one more reason to migrate to Mac OS or Linux.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/700992"><b>Trel</b></A> : What are the chances this is related to the Xbox's OS and not Windows?<br><SMALL>--<br>/chown -R us:us /yourbase</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/243195"><b>fatness</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  swhx7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>One possible use would be an adware PC deal: poor people get the hardware and OS for cheap or free, in exchange for being subjected to unavoidable ads.<br> </DIV>While the "for free or cheap" part made me chuckle, you may be onto something here about differentiated pricing. Avoiding ads for a higher purchase price and/or regular monthly payments might be more like it --- a paid un-subscription.<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://media.putfile.com/midget-and-tree">Sure, that'll work.<A>.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1455790"><b>TwKs</b></A> : As strange as it sounds, perhaps they are considering an ad supported 'free' version...*giggles*  :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1304319"><b>Psicop</b></A> : Nah! They are just too scared of the increased Linux, Mac and other OS users.<br><br>Hope one day this company goes into oblivion.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:07:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/634007"><b>SUMware</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  swhx7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The capability for data-mining users already exists in Windows, especially Vista. See for example <A HREF="http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/14/071237.shtml">this other Slashdot story today</A> with links on how Vista routinely stores copious information about what each user has been doing on the computer over a long period of time.</DIV>Thanks for the link.<br><br>From that article:<br><br>From <A HREF="http://www.abanet.org/journal/ereport/jy13tkjasn.html">ABA Journal (American Bar Association)</A><br><br>Microsoft's Vista stores much more data&#151;and may affect the discovery process<br>By Jason Krause<br>July 13, 2007: <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by ABA Journal :</SMALL><HR>Available since late January, Vista offers a host of new security and built-in backup features. But from a litigator&#146;s perspective, the interesting point is that it keeps a lot more information&#151;and more detailed information&#151;about what a person does with a PC. This means lawyers can potentially discover more forensic evidence about what is on a computer and construct more detailed time lines about what was done with that information.<br><br>For example, a new feature called Transactional NTFS, or TxF in Windows-speak, keeps much more detailed user records. These records allow attorneys to construct a more accurate time line of events.<br><br>&#147;Right now you can ... say information was accessed on a certain day, but that might not prove anything,&#148; says John Simek, co-founder of Sensei Enterprises, a legal technology and computer forensics firm in Fairfax, Va.<br><br>But with Vista &#147;you can look in there and see something was accessed on Monday, Tuesday and Saturday at such-and-such a time going back months.&#148;<br><br>Vista keeps something called a shad&shy;ow copy that backs up your work in the unused space on the hard drive. It&#146;s designed to prevent data loss; but with it that data will stay on the computer&#151;perhaps forever. Windows systems have been replicating data similarly in recent releases, but Vista makes it easier for forensic examiners to find deleted data.<br><br>In addition, the new Instant Search technology allows users to find documents faster by keeping an index of things they have worked on.<br><br>However, the index becomes a new source of discoverable information that details almost everything one uses a computer for. &#147;It&#146;s Google Desktop on steroids,&#148; says Simek. &#147;It&#146;s an indexed database of more evidence stored right there on a computer.&#148;<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : Of course, what Slashdotters think of as an invasion of privacy, programmers think of as 'useful features' (caching of frequently-used data, backup of changed files, and so on).<br><br>Slashdotters had better hope they never get a system like <A HREF="http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/seanq/p9fs.html">Plan 9 From Bell Labs</A>, at least not as deployed at Bell, where everything ever written tend to end up on WORM storage. And remember, this was the former Unix developers - they're the good guys..<br><br>--<br>I tend to agree with your position that, for MS, this is an enabling technology that's waiting for a final roll-out plan.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><b>swhx7</b></A> : I would bet that Msoft hasn't decided what to do with it. They want to own it, of course, and have it ready to use whenever it looks advantageous.<br><br>The capability for data-mining users already exists in Windows, especially Vista. See for example <A HREF="http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/14/071237.shtml">this other Slashdot story today</A> with links on how Vista routinely stores copious information about what each user has been doing on the computer over a long period of time.<br><br>The only thing restraining Microsoft from "harvesting" and selling user data is the potential for backlash. In <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18602129-Vista-Harvests-User-Data-for-MS">this thread</A> here in the past week ("Vista harvests user data for Ms") posters have expressed concern about Vista's "phone home" features. Technically adept users would quickly detect it if Microsoft tried to sneak spyware features into updates or anything of that sort.<br><br>So how to exploit the potential for data-mining users and advertising to them? I predict that if Vista becomes widely entrenched, Microsoft will start adding the adware features on a supposedly "opt in" or "opt out" basis, and spin it as some sort of advantage for users. If on the other hand Vista continues being taken up slowly, MS will go for the adware PC as a separate product, or maybe license it to other companies.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Sindows 7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1393092"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  wapu <A HREF="/useremail/u/468775"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>Maybe they are applying for the patent to keep anyone else from doing it? ;-)<br><br>Could be that MS is looking to block the potential spread of "alternative" OSes being used on cheap PCs supported by ads. Sort of along the lines of what was suggested , but not for MS, but to stop others?<br><br>Of course it is all just speculation and we all love a good MS bash session anyways.<br> </DIV>Hopefully thats what it is.<br> </DIV>tobad  it will get hacked in 2 days or less  :hmm:<br><SMALL>--<br>Global warming did not eat my homework.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1393092"><b>Sindows 7</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  wapu <A HREF="/useremail/u/468775"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Maybe they are applying for the patent to keep anyone else from doing it? ;-)<br><br>Could be that MS is looking to block the potential spread of "alternative" OSes being used on cheap PCs supported by ads. Sort of along the lines of what was suggested , but not for MS, but to stop others?<br><br>Of course it is all just speculation and we all love a good MS bash session anyways.<br> </DIV>Hopefully thats what it is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1029026"><b>koma3504</b></A> :  No alsta la vista for me. <br>Just send the NSA and the CIA after them if the DOJ cant get the job done.<br><br> Isn't this exactly why we disable windows messenger service in Xp and why it is Disabled by default in XP sp2 ??]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:36:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Cairninator <A HREF="/useremail/u/1439159"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>George Orwell is smiling in heaven knowing all his predictions are coming true and then some. </DIV>What?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:47:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  caffeinator <A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>If the DOJ and the EU can't fight Microsoft worth a damn, what chance do we have?</DIV>Stop buying their products?<br> </DIV>Certainly a market response to any such activity might give Microsoft pause to think a little before acting rashly. They don't really have a record that would indicate they do that very often. <br><br>Which of the markets would they respond to? The user market? If the whole of the 15%-20% of machines that don't run Windows was reduced by 10%. They still have a monopoly by the "75% of the market" definition. How badly would that matter? They lose 15% of their corporate users. Might matter a little more, but the specialised systems developed specifically for the Windows environment aren't going to disappear, so that market is pretty solid as well. There's not going to be a mass market shift any time soon. It would take a massive shift in the market to make a dent. That's millions of computers in homes and businesses making a decision to migrate to using another OS in a relatively short period of time. They've got reserves to handle that and may have the marketing power to regain part of it anyway.<br><br>They also have shareholders and affiliates, the **AAs, and no doubt others. Their obligations to shareholders, partners and affiliate organisations has to be seriously influentual. A stock market slide of any sort would be influentual. That market would not have a problem with the ethics of something like this and it would increase their revenue stream from the saleable nature of the data that would be available. Microsoft are obliged to continue to improve their income stream to maintain those legal obligations of any corporation in terms of company performance and share price (company value).<br><br>I think they could take the chance and see what happens. They can certainly stand a little flack from disgruntled users in financial terms and not risk losing their major and important customers and keep the shareholders happy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1439159"><b>Cairninator</b></A> : I love it! First MS "strangles" you into submission, and for the holdouts, it slyly disseminates it's products for free. George Orwell is smiling in heaven knowing all his predictions are coming true and then some. Funny, I've looked all over my computers and I can't find anything that came from MS. Oh, well I guess it's the tin foil hat that keeps me from absorbing all the good stuff. Shouldn't I feel some kind of loss or sorrow? Thrash on MS robots, thrash on :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><b>caffeinator</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dave <A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  caffeinator <A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>If the DOJ and the EU can't fight Microsoft worth a damn, what chance do we have?</DIV>Stop buying their products?<br> </DIV>Well, sure. <br><br>I just hate the stranglehold they have on the consumer market that gives them carte blanche to do practically whatever they want.<br><br>Myself, I got all my M$ products <I>for free</I> from M$ when I did tech support work for an outsourcer of theirs.<br><br>I'd never spend more money than my computer cost to build just for an OS to run it with...that's just silly. :)<br><br>-CaFF<br><SMALL>--<br>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A. Einstein<BR><BR>Need an Avatar? Check out <A HREF="http://www.darkgrid.com/wafen/">Wafen's Avatar Pages</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  caffeinator <A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>If the DOJ and the EU can't fight Microsoft worth a damn, what chance do we have?</DIV>Stop buying their products?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/156437"><b>dave</b></A> : 'A patent' and 'an implementation delivered in Windows' are two different things.  They don't need a patent to show ads in Windows, if that's what you're worried about (and I am, too - I'd avoid ad-supported Windows just like I avoid ad-supported radio and ad-supported TV).<br><br>On the other hand, I suppose the bad news is that it shows that someone in Microsoft is thinking about it. But we already knew that, from their acquisitions of online ad companies, right? Without that second datum, it would be possible to assume this is 'just research' - every large company does some amount that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  caffeinator <A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ilago <A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>What in the world are they thinking??<br> </DIV>That they haven't made enough money off us yet, and are scared of Google beating them to that ad market?<br><br>When you you have billions of people at your mercy, why not?<br><br>If the DOJ and the EU can't fight Microsoft worth a damn, what chance do we have?<br><br>It'll likely be written into the EULA for a future Windows version...that most people won't read anyway, and so they won't have an avenue to complain.<br><br>-CaFF<br> </DIV>Somehow, the fact that they don't <B>need</B> to do this bothers me the most  :hmm:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1141361"><b>caffeinator</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ilago <A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>What in the world are they thinking??<br> </DIV>That they haven't made enough money off us yet, and are scared of Google beating them to that ad market?<br><br>When you you have billions of people at your mercy, why not?<br><br>If the DOJ and the EU can't fight Microsoft worth a damn, what chance do we have?<br><br>It'll likely be written into the EULA for a future Windows version...that most people won't read anyway, and so they won't have an avenue to complain.<br><br>-CaFF<br><SMALL>--<br>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - A. Einstein<BR><BR>Need an Avatar? Check out <A HREF="http://www.darkgrid.com/wafen/">Wafen's Avatar Pages</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/468775"><b>wapu</b></A> : Maybe they are applying for the patent to keep anyone else from doing it? ;-)<br><br>Could be that MS is looking to block the potential spread of "alternative" OSes being used on cheap PCs supported by ads. Sort of along the lines of what was suggested , but not for MS, but to stop others?<br><br>Of course it is all just speculation and we all love a good MS bash session anyways.<br><SMALL>--<br>When a friend asks me to choose between friends, I will always choose the friend that didn't ask me to choose.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  swhx7 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>They would lose a lot of the market by trying to force it on users.<br><br>One possible use would be an adware PC deal: poor people get the hardware and OS for cheap or free, in exchange for being subjected to unavoidable ads.<br> </DIV>While I think this is a possibility, there's nothing limiting its use to that level. I'm still thinking boiling frogs. Consumer objections and reservations have never made much of an impression on Microsoft in the past :huh:<br><br>An additional application providing advertising I could accept. The operating system itself collecting data serving directed advertising is such a terrible concept. <br><br>What in the world are they thinking??]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/755055"><b>OZO</b></A> : I'm thinking that WXP may be the last OS that I've bought form m$. DRM infested Vista is just a bloatware that actually offers almost nothing as a new OS comparing to WXP. It just gives more control over users computers to m$. I really do not see a reason why I have to abandon WXP and move to Vista now. But in a while I probably will have to make my new choice...<br><br>Go ahead, m$!<br><br>Make my decision easier.<br><SMALL>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1376598"><b>swhx7</b></A> : They would lose a lot of the market by trying to force it on users.<br><br>One possible use would be an adware PC deal: poor people get the hardware and OS for cheap or free, in exchange for being subjected to unavoidable ads.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1225580"><b>ilago</b></A> : From here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/14/043200" >slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/14/043200</A><br><br>"The kernel meets The Colonel in a just-published Microsoft patent application for an Advertising Services Architecture, which delivers targeted advertising as 'part of the OS.' Microsoft, who once teamed with law enforcement to protect consumers from unwanted advertising, goes on to boast that the invention can 'take steps to verify ad consumption,' be used to block ads from competitors, and even sneak a peek at 'user document files, user e-mail files, user music files, downloaded podcasts, computer settings, [and] computer status messages' to deliver more tightly targeted ads."<br><br>The patent application is genuine.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220070157227%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20070157227&RS=DN/20070157227" >appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Par&middot;&middot;&middot;70157227</A><br><br>I cannot think of a single legitimate reason for Microsoft to be doing this. The technology would not be difficult to include in Vista and the Vista EULA may permit this already.]]></description>
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