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JSRoman
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Good bye Fios if this ever happens

Not likely to happen but if it did, it would be good bye future Fios deployments. Vodaphone debt load would be so huge they would have a hard time funding any new Fios deployments.
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WOW, I was reading the FT article.

That's a LOT of money moving around there. I mean STAGGERING.

Well, if it happens, I hope they hold off at least a little while. My CO is being fired for FiOS right now, and I'm on the outskirts of it. Town all ready signed a franchise agreement for TV, so I'm looking forward to having options other than Comcast...
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reply to JSRoman
I'm confused, being a simple Canuck. Does VZ Wireless = Verizon? Reading the article sometimes Verizon Wireless is used and sometimes straight Verizon. Same goes for a couple posts already, seemingly distinguishing the two...

Is this a bid for just the wireless portion of VZ, i.e. the mobile phone section of the company? Or VZ as a whole?

If so, depending on revenues/expenditures, a buyout could potentially free up more cash for Fios deployments. VZ could become an ISP only, focus on fiber, and take a real strangle hold on things.

Anyone mind clearing that up?
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DMS1

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JSRoman
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said by DMS1 See Profile :

said by JSRoman See Profile :

Not likely to happen but if it did, it would be good bye future Fios deployments. Vodaphone debt load would be so huge they would have a hard time funding any new Fios deployments.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Vodaphone would only being buying the 60% or so of Verizon Wireless that they don't already own. They wouldn't be buying all of Verizon. Therefore, on the contrary, Verizon would suddenly have loads of cash that it could invest in FiOS.
RTA, The 160 billion is for all of Verizon.
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reply to Raptor
Verizon Wireless is a separate company, dealing in mobile phone services. They are jointly owned by Verizon and Vodafone (I believe the split is 55/45). They are not officially part of the Verizon company, but a half-owned subsidiary.

And frankly, I doubt this'll happen. But now that Vodafone is no longer the lead sponsor of Manchester United, I'd be okay with Vodafone being my cellphone company if it does.
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DMS1

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said by JSRoman See Profile :

RTA, The 160 biliion is for all of Verizon.
Yes - I realised that, which is why I deleted my original post. Vodaphone buying all of the Verizon doesn't make much sense, but them just buying Verizon Wireless would in my opinion make a lot of sense.


cdru
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reply to JSRoman
This would have absolutely zero impact on FiOS anything. They are different companies under the same Verizon parent corporation umbrella.
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DMS1

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said by cdru See Profile :

This would have absolutely zero impact on FiOS anything. They are different companies under the same Verizon parent corporation umbrella.
You made the same wrong assumption that I did. It appears that the $160B would be for all of Verizon - not just the balance of Verizon Wireless.


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reply to JSRoman
said by JSRoman See Profile :

Not likely to happen but if it did, it would be good bye future Fios deployments. Vodaphone debt load would be so huge they would have a hard time funding any new Fios deployments.
Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%).


rec9140
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said by en102 See Profile :
Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%).

They are looking to buy 100% of Verizon Communications thus gaining the 55% shares of Verizon Communications in Verizon Wireless.

Sell/spin off the landline side Verizon Communications into a separate company.

This is eat the whole thing to get the part you want and spit out the part you don't want the landline business.

If Vodaphone were to gain control of VZW, I would end my service with them immediately, as they will just fubar things up with their need to have a GSMcrap network in the US.

This deal has lots of little hidden gotchas in it which I really wonder why VZ or Voda even did it at the time. It really gains Voda nothing in the US (the original deal), since VZW is a CDMA and there are exactly 2 handsets that can do both CDMA/GSM in all four bands, one a useless flip and the other a recently intro'd crackberry. The original deal really never made sense and it looks like VZ is going to regret it one way or the other now.
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said by rec9140 See Profile :

said by en102 See Profile :
Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%).

They are looking to buy 100% of Verizon Communications thus gaining the 55% shares of Verizon Communications in Verizon Wireless.

Sell/spin off the landline side Verizon Communications into a separate company.

This is eat the whole thing to get the part you want and spit out the part you don't want the landline business.

If Vodaphone were to gain control of VZW, I would end my service with them immediately, as they will just fubar things up with their need to have a GSMcrap network in the US.

This deal has lots of little hidden gotchas in it which I really wonder why VZ or Voda even did it at the time. It really gains Voda nothing in the US (the original deal), since VZW is a CDMA and there are exactly 2 handsets that can do both CDMA/GSM in all four bands, one a useless flip and the other a recently intro'd crackberry. The original deal really never made sense and it looks like VZ is going to regret it one way or the other now.
Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
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rec9140
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said by DaveNJ See Profile :
Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.

Which is why this deal made no sense when it started originally.

I want nothing to do with voda and their GSMcrap network.

I will move Alltel in a hearbeat.

This deal nowadays is not likely to happen.

Its pure postering to get VZ to fork out $$$ it doesn't want to spend to pay off and get Voda to go away.

GSM is NOT the be all end all to cell service just because its used more widely. CDMA is not the be all end all to it either and neither is WCDMA or iDEN (dead end).

CDMA has better characteristics and benefits RF wise. Its not really a big deal,as all the GSM carriers will eventually be using a form of CMDA in WCDMA for UMTS any way. So in the end CDMA wins.

Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal?
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said by rec9140 See Profile :


Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal?
Long before VZW, Bell Atlantic Mobile got out bid by Vodafone for Airtouch which was BA Mobile's west coast partner to give them a national foot print at the time. BA sued and broke ties with Airtouch but later formed VZW with Vodafone for as I mentioned before a national footprint.

»news.com.com/2100-1033-224377.html

»news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the···9648.stm


biggbrother
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reply to DaveNJ
said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
And this would happen after just spending $160 Billion for company? I don't think so....

Besides, it seems that Verizon and Vodaphone are lobbing nades back and forth here. I think Verizon would bite the bullet and take full control of VZW if it got the chance.
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DaveNJ
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said by biggbrother See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :

Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
And this would happen after just spending $160 Billion for company? I don't think so....

Besides, it seems that Verizon and Vodaphone are lobbing nades back and forth here. I think Verizon would bite the bullet and take full control of VZW if it got the chance.
Telstra just did that in Austraila, besides its in Vodaphones best interest to convert. Whats 2 billion more dollars to do a conversion when you spend $160 ?
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DaveNJ
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reply to rec9140
said by rec9140 See Profile :

said by DaveNJ See Profile :
Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.

Which is why this deal made no sense when it started originally.

I want nothing to do with voda and their GSMcrap network.

I will move Alltel in a hearbeat.

This deal nowadays is not likely to happen.

Its pure postering to get VZ to fork out $$$ it doesn't want to spend to pay off and get Voda to go away.

GSM is NOT the be all end all to cell service just because its used more widely. CDMA is not the be all end all to it either and neither is WCDMA or iDEN (dead end).

CDMA has better characteristics and benefits RF wise. Its not really a big deal,as all the GSM carriers will eventually be using a form of CMDA in WCDMA for UMTS any way. So in the end CDMA wins.

Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal?
CDMA and WCDMA (UMTS) are completely different technologies.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA

W-CDMA is not simply a wideband version of CDMA2000. The W-CDMA system is a new design by NTT DoCoMo, and it differs in many respects from CDMA2000.

GSM is used worldwide, if its that bad of a technonlogy was is it dominate ? 2.4 billion users.

CDMA has 387 Million.
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Why does GSM dominate? Simple: it's cheaper to deploy than CDMA (and far cheaper than W-CDMA). In areas where long ranges between towers are commonplace (such as the US), CDMA dominates. Let's look at the typical EC country: it's about the size of a typical *state* in the US (major players in the US wireless market are not that small that they can survive servicing the customers in a single state; however, due to *national interest*, there have been no major EU-wide wireless concerns until recently, and there is still resistance from the EU bureaucracy at large to the emergence of a large US-type wireless carrier in the EU, whether it's Vodaphone, Deutsch Telekom, or even Orange). How large is the population and land area of the EU? Even more critical, how many wireless carriers exist in the EU? And how many of those service only a single country?

bruins55

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reply to JSRoman
The 160 billion is not for all of Verizon...just the wireless portion of the company...but this part of the company is the part that makes the most money so why would they sell it....Verizon wireless is its own company...I work for Verizon on the landline side of the business and we still have to pay them for company owned cell phones.
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