Techie714
join:2005-08-02
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|  U.S. Workers Cost To Much
I might get slammed for this one but it's true. U.S. workers cost WAY to much to employ. First you have to pay them almost triple to what you pay in another country & then they want benefits like medical, vacation, 401K, etc. But here is the kicker, Americans want to keep the jobs here in the U.S. but ALSO want there DSL/services dirt cheap. You can't have your cake & eat it too. Either you pay $50.00 a month for DSL & we don't outsource OR you pay 25.00 a month & we outsource. I would say based on that example 80% of Americans would say "Hey it's not my family & I want the cheap service". |
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fatmanskinny
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| In my opinion, it is not just American workers cost too much. It is also companies knowing that they could ship jobs overseas and pocket millions while customer service and support go in the bucket.
So besides screwing American workers, they are also screwing the customers as well.
Best way to hit them is in the pocket. If enough people stop patronizing these companies that outsource OR if enough of these employees in foreign land cost companies money due to obtaining and using customer information illegally, we will have a shift back to the mainland.
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nutcr0cker
join:2003-04-02
Chandler, AZ
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Good point, most of the flag waving individuals fail to comprehend that the flag they are waving with such a fervor was made by a Chinese company. However, outsourcing is not because of higher wages for workers but attributed to the gluttony of the CEO's. You can easily find the increasing millions that CEO's take home since the outsourcing boom. From our politicians perspective tech jobs are menial jobs and Americans should not have to do menial jobs. The Indians/Chinese are only doing the jobs that Americans prefer not to do. |
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Techie714
join:2005-08-02
Anaheim, CA
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said by fatmanskinny  :So besides screwing American workers, they are also screwing the customers as well. The problem is Americans really don't care. As long as there getting there service cheap they can care less where it comes from & whats going on behind the scenes. Perfect example, if Americans were so concerned about American jobs they would stop shopping at Old Navy & Walmart where 93% of all the goods are made in foreign countries. Most just dont care. |
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RadioDoc
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Sadly,
"{...} 80% of Americans would say "Hey it's not my family & I want the cheap service"."
...is the mantra of our Me-First society.
I gave a $5 tip to the lady who drove the (free) airport shuttle from the hotel to the Spokane airport Friday. Not because I had to, but to show my appreciation and help put a dent in this absurd notion that everything should be on-demand and "free".
Of course, I'm 50 and as much as I hate to think it, from a different generation than most who post here.
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morbo
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said by nutcr0cker :The Indians/Chinese are only doing the jobs that Americans prefer not to do. this is one of my favorite lines. but it is typically used to justify the need for illegal immigrants here in this country. it's misleading.
the problem isn't a lack of workers. the problem is why not use illegal labor when it costs significantly less and they don't complain (constant threat of INS deportation). if there's ever a injury on the job, they risk losing their job if they report it. it's win win for business! |
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fatmanskinny
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That, unfortunately, is a sad truth. |
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Jaghar
join:2001-01-30
Painesville, OH
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the US Workers wage is just a very small piece of the pie. It has to do more with the desired profit margin the companies want to maintain, and the value of the US Dollar in the world market.
If DSL did cost $50/month, then the US consumer would pay that amount. However, I'm sure that the provider corporation would still outsource overseas to increase the profit margin.
The US dollar can buy alot of crap in many other countries, including labor. In the global market, unfortunately, US corporations will take advantage of that to increase profit margin. That's all it does.
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GOLFnSUN
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said by Techie714 :But here is the kicker, Americans want to keep the jobs here in the U.S. but ALSO want there DSL/services dirt cheap. You can't have your cake & eat it too. Either you pay $50.00 a month for DSL & we don't outsource OR you pay 25.00 a month & we outsource. It is a little bit more complicated than that. But you did hit on the crux of the problem. Most consumers will NOT pay for good service. They'll whine like crazy about poor service, but a company that does have good service and charges a little more - they won't do business with.
As far as foreign outsourcing, it isn't one foreign worker for one US worker. Usually, they need more foreign workers because of language difficulties and lack of training. And it also takes more tries and calls to fix something. So, more highly paid US workers are often(not always) more productive.
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Richard B
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said by Techie714 :said by fatmanskinny :So besides screwing American workers, they are also screwing the customers as well. The problem is Americans really don't care. As long as there getting there service cheap they can care less where it comes from & whats going on behind the scenes. Perfect example, if Americans were so concerned about American jobs they would stop shopping at Old Navy & Walmart where 93% of all the goods are made in foreign countries. Most just dont care. Your absolutely right, it is hard for me to care when it between cheep prices and doing without because unlike you I am not a rich American that can afford to shop and boutique stores. I guess too worried about saving for the future and make sure my bill. Oh I wish I can be like you, you must have the to spend more so you can gloat "Buy American". To me you are so self-absorbed to realize if was not for Old Navy and Wal-Mart and the jobs they bring, the same people will be living on castoff and Good Will. |
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gsuburban
join:2000-02-29
Glendora, CA
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Probably a universal truth however, as this outsourcing continues, I bet that it makes a turn for worse service, vs a better price sooner than you may think. Most of the U.S. complains about service more than they do prices. Also, most of the U.S. puts a price tag over value and in the end gets what they paid for.
Anyone who is reading this should inform their circle of friends/family/church groups etc and discuss how much it really cost's us here in the U.S. to buy cheap priced products and services. We get no service, no quality, no support and only a good price. Thus, any issues that come up involve dealing with all the issues to remedy the fix such as, calling your ISP or cable company and they employ the customer free of any pay or discounts to trouble shoot a system.
I am all done with that idea. My time and my money is very valuable and when I decide to shell out the money I do not agree to work for free when troubles arise. So that I can get this off my chest, I want to rid the cable companies of "tier" programing and billing so that I can choose from a menu "a la carte" of what I want to spend my money on. This goes the same for all of the utility companies who are now transitioning to the same billing practice of "tier" charges. All a bunch of gouging crap which has nothing to do "saving consumers money" if you were to ask the government or the cable company. It's all about how to extract maximum money for the same or less.
U.S. workers have a brain and give a shoot. Foreign workers or illegals don't equal in this department for the most part and they are raised much different meaning they do not mix well in the U.S. True workers are raised here and educated here whether by state schools or private schools and they are better than any imported group, for the most part. Thus, we should pay more as we get more. |
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Heh,and I bet that spiffy ford or Chevy SUV,in your driveway, is made with 95% foreign parts. We also have Universities who prefer enrolling aliens on visas rather than native born US citizens.
...So haven't you heard? Americas washed up! Buy a gun while you still can! |
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NyQuil Kid
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join:2001-01-06
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I am guessing you haven't attended any UAW meetings lately; while I don't condone the actions of various management types, anyone who thinks Big Labor isn't as bad has the IQ of a pretzel. Want to know why the US Auto Industry is in such a mess? 1) Management wants to keep the status quo and 2) UAW still thinks this is 1950, when they ought remember it's closer to 2050 - meaning the US isn't the 800lb gorilla anymore; we aren't alone like we were when most of the major economic areas were rebuilding from WWII. The UAW is going to fight themselves into oblivion, and I personally look forward to seeing them go the way of the Dodo bird.
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gsuburban
join:2000-02-29
Glendora, CA
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Blame all of this on the U.S. Government. The auto industry changed when they allowed Nissan and Toyota among a few to set up production in the south and they are not union if I recall. Therefore, if this is the case, they are doing it for less obviously eliminating a level of nothing in my opinion. A friend was stweard in a union once and got no where with that. The union just wanted everyone's dues for nothing really in return a company couldn't provide.
Bush and the previous are playing us all for bigger plans for "their future". |
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jkb246
join:2000-03-18
Newark, NJ
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Re: U.S. Workers Cost To Much( WHAT???)
The rest of the world sans England have faster Internet than we do for a lot cheaper. We aren't running call centers for the folks in Korea or Hong Kong.
What is going to happen when all of our jobs are gone??
Guess the US is going to close up shop. |
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81399672
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Los Angeles, CA
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Re: U.S. Workers Cost To Much
I can't care less if u.s workers have brains or that someone will not be able to find a job because it got outsourced. What i care is quality, as long as quality from china is good and cheap then i see no reason to pay double and sometimes triple the price for same product
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gsuburban
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Glendora, CA
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China quality and cheap products appear the right way to go however, those governments are communists. I have a problem subsidizing commies and I also have a problem with our nation continuing to do business with places who build financial strength to use against us.
Oddly this is to blame our own government for doing any business with the high risk nations such as, Iraq and Iran to mention a couple. We feed them power and weapons then wonder why we have issues at some point with the very same customer. |
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pnh102
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said by gsuburban :The auto industry changed when they allowed Nissan and Toyota among a few to set up production in the south and they are not union if I recall. So you would prefer that Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai, Daimler Benz, Honda and Subaru not hire Americans and build cars in the USA with USA-made parts?
Foreign companies "insourcing" jobs to the USA is supposed to be the benefit of "free trade." We should be encouraging more foreign companies to bring jobs to the USA and hire more Americans.
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hottboiinnc
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Wal-Mart is a good reason why this country is going to hell in retail. They undercut local small mom-and-pop shops and force them to work for them only after they drive them out of business. With that instead of buying items from this country they bring their items in from other countries and stamp "Made in America" on them. And are all for the customer until that customer becomes an employee and is stuck on either a pay-cap or without health insurance.
I applied there. They would hired me until i told them I wouldn't accepted their pay cut from what I make now for the same amount of work, and I wanted the same health benefits. If Lowe's can provide me with my health care and a salary without outsourcing our shit like Wal-Mart or bring most of our products in from other countries Wal-Mart can do it to. |
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81399672
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| said by hottboiinnc :I applied there. They would hired me until i told them I wouldn't accepted their pay cut from what I make now for the same amount of work, and I wanted the same health benefits. If Lowe's can provide me with my health care and a salary without outsourcing our shit like Wal-Mart or bring most of our products in from other countries Wal-Mart can do it to. You forgot,they don't have to hire you. You also forgot, that they got no problem finding enough people to work for the wage that they are offering. No one is forcing you to work for walmart and no one is forcing the to pay you more then what law says they have to
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