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Re: Good bye Fios if this ever happens said by caco:Not likely to happen but if it did, it would be good bye future Fios deployments. Vodaphone debt load would be so huge they would have a hard time funding any new Fios deployments. Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%). |
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Mulberry, FL | said by en102:
Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%).
They are looking to buy 100% of Verizon Communications thus gaining the 55% shares of Verizon Communications in Verizon Wireless.
Sell/spin off the landline side Verizon Communications into a separate company.
This is eat the whole thing to get the part you want and spit out the part you don't want the landline business.
If Vodaphone were to gain control of VZW, I would end my service with them immediately, as they will just fubar things up with their need to have a GSMcrap network in the US.
This deal has lots of little hidden gotchas in it which I really wonder why VZ or Voda even did it at the time. It really gains Voda nothing in the US (the original deal), since VZW is a CDMA and there are exactly 2 handsets that can do both CDMA/GSM in all four bands, one a useless flip and the other a recently intro'd crackberry. The original deal really never made sense and it looks like VZ is going to regret it one way or the other now.
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| said by rec9140: said by en102:
Vodafone is looking for 'Verizon Wireless', not Verizon. Verizon Wireless is owned by Vodafone (45%) and Verizon (55%).
They are looking to buy 100% of Verizon Communications thus gaining the 55% shares of Verizon Communications in Verizon Wireless. Sell/spin off the landline side Verizon Communications into a separate company. This is eat the whole thing to get the part you want and spit out the part you don't want the landline business. If Vodaphone were to gain control of VZW, I would end my service with them immediately, as they will just fubar things up with their need to have a GSMcrap network in the US. This deal has lots of little hidden gotchas in it which I really wonder why VZ or Voda even did it at the time. It really gains Voda nothing in the US (the original deal), since VZW is a CDMA and there are exactly 2 handsets that can do both CDMA/GSM in all four bands, one a useless flip and the other a recently intro'd crackberry. The original deal really never made sense and it looks like VZ is going to regret it one way or the other now. Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
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rec9140Provoice just DO it
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Mulberry, FL | said by DaveDude:
Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
Which is why this deal made no sense when it started originally.
I want nothing to do with voda and their GSMcrap network.
I will move Alltel in a hearbeat.
This deal nowadays is not likely to happen.
Its pure postering to get VZ to fork out $$$ it doesn't want to spend to pay off and get Voda to go away.
GSM is NOT the be all end all to cell service just because its used more widely. CDMA is not the be all end all to it either and neither is WCDMA or iDEN (dead end).
CDMA has better characteristics and benefits RF wise. Its not really a big deal,as all the GSM carriers will eventually be using a form of CMDA in WCDMA for UMTS any way. So in the end CDMA wins.  
Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal?
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| said by rec9140:Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal? Long before VZW, Bell Atlantic Mobile got out bid by Vodafone for Airtouch which was BA Mobile's west coast partner to give them a national foot print at the time. BA sued and broke ties with Airtouch but later formed VZW with Vodafone for as I mentioned before a national footprint.
»news.com.com/2100-1033-224377.html
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said by DaveDude:Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel. And this would happen after just spending $160 Billion for company? I don't think so....
Besides, it seems that Verizon and Vodaphone are lobbing nades back and forth here. I think Verizon would bite the bullet and take full control of VZW if it got the chance.
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| said by biggbrother:said by DaveDude:Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel. And this would happen after just spending $160 Billion for company? I don't think so.... Besides, it seems that Verizon and Vodaphone are lobbing nades back and forth here. I think Verizon would bite the bullet and take full control of VZW if it got the chance. Telstra just did that in Austraila, besides its in Vodaphones best interest to convert. Whats 2 billion more dollars to do a conversion when you spend $160 ?
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said by rec9140: said by DaveDude:
Vodaphone will put CDMA down to rest, and covert to 3G Gsm. They will run both network concurrently. Sprint will again be searching for customers, because yet again. Sprint should have gone gsm, when they bought Nextel.
Which is why this deal made no sense when it started originally. I want nothing to do with voda and their GSMcrap network. I will move Alltel in a hearbeat. This deal nowadays is not likely to happen. Its pure postering to get VZ to fork out $$$ it doesn't want to spend to pay off and get Voda to go away. GSM is NOT the be all end all to cell service just because its used more widely. CDMA is not the be all end all to it either and neither is WCDMA or iDEN (dead end). CDMA has better characteristics and benefits RF wise. Its not really a big deal,as all the GSM carriers will eventually be using a form of CMDA in WCDMA for UMTS any way. So in the end CDMA wins. Sprint and nexhell made no sense just as VZW and Voda made no sense. VZW had no plans to convert networks and neither did Voda, so where was the value in this original deal? CDMA and WCDMA (UMTS) are completely different technologies.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCDMA
W-CDMA is not simply a wideband version of CDMA2000. The W-CDMA system is a new design by NTT DoCoMo, and it differs in many respects from CDMA2000.
GSM is used worldwide, if its that bad of a technonlogy was is it dominate ? 2.4 billion users.
CDMA has 387 Million.
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