batsonaMaryland
join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD | reply to DDahl12345
Re: Does the Firewire output work on the DVR? Can more people weigh in on whether they find the firewire port on their HD DVR (FiOS) is operational or not? Not too many replied, and it's been dormant for 2 weeks. |
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zoyd
join:2002-06-17
Upper Marlboro, MD | Works fine for me via Mac OS X firewire sdk. However, as has been mentioned, only "copy freely" shows can be recorded via computer. You need DVHS if you want to archive copy once material. |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
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said by batsona:Can more people weigh in on whether they find the firewire port on their HD DVR (FiOS) is operational or not? Not too many replied, and it's been dormant for 2 weeks. Yes, it is operational.
Local channels are marked "copy freely" and you can record those with a PC/Mac. However, virtually all the other channels are flagged as "copy one generation" -- you cannot record those with a PC/Mac.
You can only record cable channels marked as "copy one generation" with a 5c-compliant device. Unfortunately, for now, HDTV D-VHS VCRs are the only 5c compliant devices on the market. PCs and Macs are not 5c compliant, and hence cannot digitally record those channels.
In the next year or two, we should see 5c-compliant Blu-ray recorders, but until then, your options to digitally record the non-locals are almost non-existant if you don't like tape. |
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1 edit | Another Firewire thread that ignores the base question and devolves into a discussion of what you allegedly cannot do. Must be Monday.
Firewire is active on the QIP-6416 because FCC regulations...
1. ...REQUIRE that firewire be active on HD cable boxes
2. ...Give US cable customers the right to request a box with working firewire if yours does not and require you are provided with one.
Page 50, section 4
(4) Cable operators shall:
(i) Effective April 1, 2004, upon request of a customer, replace any leased high definition set-top box, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface or upgrade the customer's set-top box by download or other means to ensure that the IEEE 1394 interface is functional.
»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···25A1.pdf
If you find yours is not active and Verizon refuses to make it active, file a complaint. |
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| said by knarf829:Another Firewire thread that ignores the base question and devolves into a discussion of what you allegedly cannot do. Must be Monday. Are you kidding.
The original question was does the firewire output work. And it was answered clearly in this thread. Yes it is, but it has limitations, what would you rather we just say yes it works, but dont tell him it only works with 5c compliant devices? He may have connected an external hard drive and then wondered why it didnt work. |
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The original question was does the firewire output work. And it was answered clearly in this thread. So clearly someone else had to come in a month and a half later and ask for clarification because no one bothered to mention it's required to work.
Yes it is, but it has limitations, what would you rather we just say yes it works, but dont tell him it only works with 5c compliant devices? No, because that would be a flat-out lie. Works fine on my non 5c compliant PC. Digital versions of all channels under 50 + all clear QAM channels (including the HD locals with the programming that most people watch / record / want to transfer) transfer just fine.
He may have connected an external hard drive and then wondered why it didnt work. I prefer not to speculate about the motivation behind a question, especially when I cannot ever know it. Maybe just answering the question completely would be sufficient. Perhaps he WAS asking about a DVHS recorder. Who knows?
I don't see the use in discouraging experimentation in other users. This is the Internet, where finding unknown uses and workarounds thrives. This isn't Verizon CS where the party line must be upheld.
Maybe DDahl12345 (the OP), once he found out Firewire was active and why, would connect Firewire to his DVR and develop some brand spanking new way to use it. Maybe he'd come back and teach us all a thing or two.
I fail to see the point of directing people to AVS, either. How will BBR ever grow if we constantly answer questions by directing folks to AVS?
This is my two cents. YMMV, of course. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
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| said by knarf829:The original question was does the firewire output work. And it was answered clearly in this thread. So clearly someone else had to come in a month and a half later and ask for clarification because no one bothered to mention it's required to work. Working as what is required and working how people would want to use it is two different things. Most people who ask if firewire is active are asking if they can hook up some type of a recording device like a DVHS deck, a computer, or camcorder to the receiver and be able to transfer off recordings. In that circumstances, the answer is yes you can but must be followed up with a footnote that says a non-5C device will only be able to see channels under 50 and the QAM HD channels. Essentially none of the "cable" channels are able to be downloaded via FireWire. The requirement by the FCC is for interfacing between the STB and the TV (or possibly a DVHS deck). It wasn't necessarily there to guarantee working with other types of devices.
I don't see the use in discouraging experimentation in other users. This is the Internet, where finding unknown uses and workarounds thrives. This isn't Verizon CS where the party line must be upheld. Depending on the interpretation of the week of the DMCA, trying to find a workaround (aka circumventing) the technological measures that prevent recording to a computer may be prohibited.
I fail to see the point of directing people to AVS, either. How will BBR ever grow if we constantly answer questions by directing folks to AVS? I don't think BBR is in any danger of not growing if we still link over to other forms form time to time. What is the point of starting our own thread here when there are several others already available (one of which has over 4000 existing posts) about recording via Firewire as well as one specifically about recording via Firewire with the FiOS DVR? AVS is probably THE premiere Audio/video site on the internet and is to A/V what BBR is to broadband. Despite having it's own forums here, BBR is barely a blip on internet A/V radar. If people want to discuss things here, they are able to do so. But no one should ever be criticized for posting a link to a site that is an excellent source of information just because it's not here. If everyone did that, this whole internet thing wouldn't have gone beyond a single site when it was invented.
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4 edits | said by cdru:Depending on the interpretation of the week of the DMCA, trying to find a workaround (aka circumventing) the technological measures that prevent recording to a computer may be prohibited. Clearly I wasn't talking about cracking copy protection. I'm talking about the same kind of undocumented use as the CAPDVHS method. New uses for what is there. And that example was hypothetical as an example for the larger issue of not discouraging others from experimenting because one has reached the end of where their own mind can take them. I guess I'm an Internet purist in that regard.
I don't think BBR is in any danger of not growing if we still link over to other forms form time to time. What is the point of starting our own thread here when there are several others already available (one of which has over 4000 existing posts) about recording via Firewire as well as one specifically about recording via Firewire with the FiOS DVR? AVS is probably THE premiere Audio/video site on the internet and is to A/V what BBR is to broadband. Despite having it's own forums here, BBR is barely a blip on internet A/V radar. If people want to discuss things here, they are able to do so. But no one should ever be criticized for posting a link to a site that is an excellent source of information just because it's not here. If everyone did that, this whole internet thing wouldn't have gone beyond a single site when it was invented. AVS is a gulag, but that's beside the point. Again, "pick through this AVS thread and distill the information in those 4000 posts" is virtually useless as an answer. Not to mention being off topic to the question that was asked. |
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When I read the manual it says i could burn copy once material to a DVD-rw discs that support CPRM 1.1 and 1.2.
I havent tried it yet, but does this mean I can burn copy one generation material? |
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| i have recorded from the DVR to DVD-recorder, it works but it is real time, 2 hour movie takes two hours to record.
in the end it didn't seem worth the effort, I could have just watched two hours of recorded stuff and deleted it, instead of trying to clean up the DVR via DVD-Rs. Which I will probably never watch anyway.
IMHO, if you are geek enough to get the hang of recording from DVR to DVD as a regular archiving method, you are probably better off utilizing the fat fios pipe to download it else where in a shorter time frame. |
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