Cairninator
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Remember when someone was born, their parents gave them a name. Then a name plus the government added SS #. How long do you think before we all in "the land of the free and home of the brave" have a name, plus SS#, plus ID chip.
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jadinolf
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Ojai, CA | We give chips to pets, why not to kids?
I'm kidding, of course.
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Cudni
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spystopper
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Yes, good to be aware of such things. But nothing has been forced on us all yet. Maybe one day we'll all be forced to have such chips, then again maybe not. I wouldn't let such things from an improbable future bother you too much. |
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But nothing has been forced on us all yet. 
Hitachi's radio tags are smaller than the width of a strand of hair.From CNN
June 13, 2007: said by CNN :
Scientists at Hitachi Research Labs in Japan have devised the smallest RFID tag ever, just 0.05 millimeter by 0.05 millimeter, tinier than a grain of sand.
The so-called powder chip is thin enough that it can be mixed with paper pulp to add a layer of counterfeit protection to gift certificates, passports and currency.
It's also caught the interest of the jewelry industry, which could invisibly embed the chip in rings and necklaces to track their origins, making them more difficult to sell illegally. Each chip stores a unique 38-digit ID number.
When stimulated by an RFID reader, the chip emits its code, verifying its identity. The code is integrated into the chip's circuitry, making counterfeiting impossible.
Hitachi unveiled the chip in February and plans to take it to market in 2009. Wal-Mart might be one of the first retailers to debut the radio dust:
The big-box store is pushing RFID technology forward to get your deodorant, bagels and T-shirts from factory to aisle faster.
"tinier than a grain of sand", or tinier than a grain of sugar, or tinier than a grain of salt. Or tinier than a poppy seed on a bagel. |
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whizkid3
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Not yet forced on us; but very soon:
REAL ID Act
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What's going to be stored on this ID card?
Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.
You can bet if RFID is in passports, it won't be long until it is in the ID all of us must carry. Zieg Heil. |
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rolande
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| With the continuous onslaught of identity theft, the FTC is going to need some way to force the crackdown. Obviously SS#'s don't do the trick as they are easy to find combined with name and birthdate. However, combine them with the requirement for a matching RFID tag embedded in some form of ID and it will be much harder for this form of theft to proliferate as it has been. Now if they can just figure out a way to stop these pesky companies from accepting purchase requests over the phone without any prior credit approval...
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JohnInSJ
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San Jose, CA | reply to Cairninator
We already have built in rfid tags - they're called DNA
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beerbum
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hmm.. 1st thing I thought of when I read this article..
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:16—18)
wouldn't a modern day "antichrist" use a modern technology like this? |
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Zev0
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| said by beerbum  :hmm.. 1st thing I thought of when I read this article.. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:16—18) wouldn't a modern day "antichrist" use a modern technology like this? You are right on there my friend. That's exactly what popped into my mind.
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said by beerbum :And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:16—18) Technically speaking, a SSN is a unique identifier, unlike the common identifier 666.
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BB1984
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^ It continues:
Then another angel, a third, followed them, crying with a loud voice, ‘Those who worship the beast and its image, and receive a mark on their foreheads or on their hands, they will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image and for anyone who receives the mark of its name.’
Revelation 14: 9-11 |
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swhx7
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Scholars who are not Biblical literalists now agree that the NT book "Revelation" was an allegorical denunciation of a situation that was going on in the Roman empire at the time - a conflict among the Christians, or some political issue, I don't recall. But it was not really a prophecy of future technological societies.
Nevertheless the writer came up with a verse that showed insight into the danger of one particular totalitarian social-control technique. If implantable microchips or other intrusive ID technology come to be forced on the population, it won't be through the crude, obvious means of onerous legislation. Rather, it will gradually become a condition of economic transactions, until it becomes impractical to live a middle-class life without complying - much as credit cards are now.
The only way this won't work is if people start drawing lines and refusing to cooperate past a certain point. Another thing that will help is people talking to each other without the filter of corporate news media. |
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Jason Levine
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| said by swhx7 :If implantable microchips or other intrusive ID technology come to be forced on the population, it won't be through the crude, obvious means of onerous legislation. Rather, it will gradually become a condition of economic transactions, until it becomes impractical to live a middle-class life without complying - much as credit cards are now. While I agree that the gradual slide is the more likely scenario, that slide might get a bit of a boost by onerous legislation passed in a patriotic fervor.
Think of some of the legislation passed after 9-11. Now think about what would happen if we had another event of that nature occur. There might be a push to use all available technology to better distinguish between "Good Americans" and "Traitors Waiting To Attack Us From Within." One of those technologies could be RFID implants. Some bad legislation would be passed and people would be told that anyone who didn't support the legislation wanted America to be attacked again.
It's not too far fetched. After all, during WW2, we rounded up everyone of Japanese decent and put them into internment camps. We've been told that we're at "war" again, so why not merely mark everyone who might possibly be an enemy? |
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controler
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Hi
All you have to do is a Google of RFID and you will come up with much info. I don't think there is any compiled list of all those using RFID tags and I don't know if the United States has any laws that foreign countries must follow when we import their goods.
I do think some computer manufactures also add RFID tags to their products. HP might be one of them. In any case there are far more of these tags out there then you know.
I have includes a few snapshots of a tag I took apart. This tag was attached to the right inside of cargo shorts i purchased at The Gap a few months ago.
After talking with customer relations at The Gap, I was informed they started using these because the old technology was too large. Well their new tags measure in at about 1 1/2
by 1 1/2 inches. not small in my book.
Customer Relations also claimed any info contained in the tag is removed at time of purchase.
Does anyone have a RFID reader and can verify this? |
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swhx7
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I think those things (pictured, and I don't know the correct name) are anti-theft devices, not RFID tags. The pictured item will trigger a sensor near the door if not deactivated during purchase. It's just to prevent shoplifting.
RFID is much smaller and is being adopted to identify items. In early use, it's only identifying to the level of "make and model" or type of item, equivalent to bar code. But the numbers on the chips are big enough to encode individual units of merchandise and that is the use that companies are getting started on now.
Ostensibly it's only for inventory management. But as privacy advocates point out, if the chips are not removed at purchase, they will also enable who-knows-who to identify items after you've bought them. And if you paid with a traceable form of payment such as a bank card, it potentially links the items to all the information on file about you as well - name and address, whole purchase history, etc..
Private-industry data-miners, government agencies, and thieves are all likely to find value in the post-purchase monitoring.
Currently scanning works only at short distances, so it's not yet possible by driving past your house. But you could walk into a store and get your shoes scanned and the merchant could find out who you are, where you live, where you bought the shoes, what you bought at the supermarket, and so on.
The answer to all this from RFID-using companies has been basically "we respect your privacy, we'll find a solution, don't worry, everything's fine". They also imply that anyone who questions this is a paranoid from the lunatic fringe imagining something unlikely. Remember how they profit from exploiting people and evaluate the statements accordingly. |
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controler
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swhx7
yes you could be right. Customer relations did say they are anti-theft devices but didn't say they were deactivated but rather the information in them is cleared at time of purchase.
Maybe the customer relations person didn't really know what they were or how they functioned.
Can you tell me how this tag from GAP works?
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Krispy
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said by Cairninator :Remember when someone was born, their parents gave them a name. Then a name plus the government added SS #. How long do you think before we all in "the land of the free and home of the brave" have a name, plus SS#, plus ID chip. » news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070721/ap_···Rhys0NUEDo you all want to sign my tin foil hat now or scoff and stick your heads in the ***** as you usually do. Today I carry a cell phone that has a GPS chip that can/is active and can identify where I am. I've also used my credit card and bank card that can be used to detail my purchases and maybe where I was and what I ate for lunch today. While buying gas I used my rewards card (just in case the credit card tracking malfunctions) then I logged into my web banking where I was prompted to answer 5 questions before I could continue (now my bank knows my grandpa's name and my favorite food and and and)...when I drive home I'll pass a number of "red light" cams that hopefully won't take my license plate picture and then I'll check my landline voicemail for any calls (that some machine has already recorded). If I were actually doing something bad I might be worried that there was someone across the street legally videotaping me like my friend did in their old PI job or I might be concerned that the small plane flying overhead might be taking legal pictures of my house like the entrepreneurial aerial photographer did and tried to sell me a few months ago.
All that and I'm not even at dinnertime yet...
Heck no I'm not overly concerned about RFID, that privacy is already gone and I for one wouldn't be overly upset at not having to carry around a half pound of plastic just to get through my day 
(Just to clarify, I'm for privacy but don't believe RFID is the devil threat it's made out to be - cliche and all but....guns don't kill people, people kill people.)
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I agree with Jason Levine . As 9/11 proved we are just one disaster away from the government mandating such a device for the security and protection of the country. I don't see V for Vendetta as being too far off. For those who don't know the plot. The government released a chemical weapon on its own people to give it the reason to increase government power. One of the great lines from V is "People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people." The United States government is no longer afraid of their people and believes itself to be above the law, we are on the edge and it won't take much for them to seize total control.
As the U.S. Government has fouled up their mandatory passport so severely that Assistant Secretary of State Maura Harty has apologized, I wouldn't want to put them in charge of anything else.
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Executive Order Overturns US Fifth Amendment
said by Jason Levine :onerous legislation passed in a patriotic fervor Bush Abolishes Fifth Amendment |
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