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sirghostcitywide
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Phoenix, AZ | Most apple fanboys will admit that they can get hacked, etc. They simply pass it off as being a bonus feature that thier stuff has. |
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said by ender7074:It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone. LOL. Hilarious! |
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I think if you actually ask the Apple folks, yea, they can be hacked. But the difference between Apples and PCs, is a vulnerability on an Apple, requires some sort of user intervention to exploit. Windows machines can be exploited with no user inervention at all. Even the article states the exploit tricked users into opening up a malicious web-site.
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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
2 edits | reply to ender7074
Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products?
The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't.
When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it.
Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs.
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 kapilThe Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity.
There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them. |
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said by ColorBASIC:Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products? The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't. When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it. Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs. Spoken like a true Apple zombie. Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there? Oh and by the way, note the humor in my original post or did I touch a nerve? I have yet to hear any Appleite admit to ANY kind of security issue, from hacking to outright virus infestation, ever.
Personally I could give a warm crap about how secure/un-secure Crapandtoss computers are. I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals. |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL | reply to ender7074
said by ender7074:It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone. LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product. |
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I'm an "Appleite" and I admit that this is a security issue that Apple should take care of as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not an exploit exists ITW. So there!   |
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 kyler13Is your fiber grounded?
join:2006-12-12
Arnold, MD | reply to ender7074
said by ender7074:I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals. Amen to that. I had a family member that ran a small graphic design business with a Mac, and I provided hardware/software support. What an expensive nightmare that was. Second to that, my in-laws recently bought a new Dell and had serious problems. They returned it and were excited about getting a new Mac (after playing with a demo in a Mac store). They went back to the store to talk options and prices. Needless to say, they now own an HP. |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
2 edits | reply to ender7074
Way to dodge the question so I'll ask again.
Show me where malware of a virus in the wild hosed Apple products?
A lab only exploit isn't a security issue for USERS. It becomes a security issue for USERS if the exploit makes it to the wild.
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Which all newer windows virus issues have been also. Rather awkward isn't it ? |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | reply to kapil
said by kapil:Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity. There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them. I believe that is certainly part of it. Part if it is the amount of user intervention required for propagation as was the case with the LEAP-A worm where it required user installation like any other program including providing admin privs. The biggest is that these lab discovered exploits are often quickly patched making propagation impossible.
But the simple fact that OS X users don't face threats from the wild won't stop Windows user FUD about these threats (which was the subject of the OP).
No one denies that exploits exist, only that the exploits are ever exploited in the wild.
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | reply to Maxo
said by Maxo:said by ender7074:It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone. LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product. Show us where it's happened outside a lab or conference? There is a huge difference between a lab only exploit discovery and that exploit being used in the wild.
A lab only exploit isn't a threat to users. It's not a threat to users unless the unpatchable vulnerability is exploited in the wild which we never see with OS X. The reasons are numerous and can include quick patching, low population and difficult propagation.
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Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway.
All major corporations run Windows based PCs and/or servers. 99% of households all over the world run MS Windows, including now even on Macs (guess those 300 flip flop wearin hippies can't deal with the complete lack of entertainment software).
So what hacker would bother exploiting less than 1% of total computers worldwide? (for the slow, those be macs).
And however prevalent malware is on Windows, it is also easily completely avoidable if you make some simple changes starting with using a 3rd party browser such as Firefox, using a good hardware router/firewall and avoid opening emails/attachments from senders you don't know (even if you really really really want that v1a.gra). I don't even run anti-virus on my Win XP pc 99% of the time because I don't need to. It's been that way for YEARS and I don't have issues. (oh, and I'm an expert - I rip malware off other's people's PCs, so I know what I'm talkin' bout)
What the Mac people will NEVER understand is that I don't want some pre-packaged overpriced hardware that Steve Jobs signed off on... I prefer to build my own system, from scratch using components of my choice. And its choice that is sorely missing from the Mac camp. Which is ironic considering how they advertised Macs as the answer to "the draconian PC" back in the days.. lol.
The iPhone is just another example of an overpriced, unnecessary device that flocks of the stupid bought into just to have the latest sex substitute they can show off to their other virgin friends who weren't stupid enough to buy one. I mean, a) to wait in line to buy A PHONE and b) to pay 5~6 hundred dollars for that PHONE doesn't exactly make the those who purchased them geniuses.
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to starreem
Actually it says:
take control of iPhones through a WiFi connection or by tricking users into going to a Web site that contains malicious code. Looks like if you have ayour wifi connection open, they can get in as well. I guess you could say that takes user intervention, but so does plugging the network cable/enabling the wifi on your Wintel laptop. |
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said by ender7074:.... Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there? True that most exploits are now injected to create botnets to do nefarious things. Thus targeting windows users who are the majority of computers makes sense. Most malware runs on XP right now, it's got the biggest penetration, and it's easy to do. (OS X and vista are more secure out of the box.)
If it were easy to create malware for the mac, it would be done also do supplement the botnets. You really think they wouldn't do something easy that would add to their profit. It's just that not a single person on the planet has proven that it's "easy" to build a malware exploit for OS X.
Both Vista and OS X are HUGE targets for the small number of hackers who still care to be the guy who cracks those systems in easy and unique ways. These hackers are working on exploiting OS X and Vista constantly. |
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Here's a better question for you to answer:
How many viruses/exploits for Mac, have been done in the wild in the first place? Seems to me that pretty much every one of the "threats" that have shown up for Mac products, have been created in a lab.
That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited.
Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network.
Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity. |
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