WileEC
mindtaker, macky cat, etc.
join:2002-02-07
Yonkers, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
1 edit | reply to Necronomikro
Re: Lies!
dream on... even if a major corp uses unix/linux servers, chances are they are not using unix/linux exclusively. A lot of popular client/server software MUST run from Windows servers, or on Windows PCs, period. And as far as unix/linux workstations/desktops... name one Fortune 1000 company that uses unix/linux workstations/desktops on every desk.
--
Experience one of the most beautiful women on earth at PetraCentral! |
|
Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| reply to WileEC
said by WileEC  :Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway.  Great Middle School level troll. I know plenty of people that run Mac and they don't wear flip flops and certainly are not hippies. I on the other hand do wear flip flops, but don't run Mac. Troll again, I mean, try again.
--
"Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad
»maxolasersquad.com/
»maxolasersquad.com/network/ My DSL Network Guide
»myspace.com/mlsquad |
|
ydoucare
join:2003-03-12
Rensselaer, IN
 ·Embarq
 ·Millenicom
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC :Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products? The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't. When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it. Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs. I love how it's always "MAC" vs "PC" and not Windows VS OS X, etc. |
|
Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
1 edit | reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC :said by Maxo :said by ender7074 :It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone. LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product. Show us where it's happened outside a lab or conference? There is a huge difference between a lab only exploit discovery and that exploit being used in the wild. A lab only exploit isn't a threat to users. It's not a threat to users unless the unpatchable vulnerability is exploited in the wild which we never see with OS X. The reasons are numerous and can include quick patching, low population and difficult propagation. I was clearly poking fun at ender7074 and satellite68 ! These same two posts show up in every single thread that involves a problem with Mac equipment. |
|
ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| reply to AnonShawUser
Of course but that wasn't the point of the OP. The OPs position was that Apple fanbois claim that Apple products are never hacked and can never get malware.
No such claim is ever made. We see exploits discovered in the lab all the time and certainly any program that can be written can be written to do harm and of course it is possible to trick a user into installing a program (like LEAP-A which required the user to provide the admin password like other program installations).
What some Apple fanbois would accurately state however is that USERS never face these threats. In essense, OS X desktops out in the field can't get malware and viruses not because it's not possible but simply because none of these threats exist in the wild.
IOW, stating there are no Mac viruses in the wild is different than saying you can't write a Mac virus.
--
Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
|
Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| reply to WileEC
said by WileEC :dream on... even if a major corp uses unix/linux servers, chances are they are not using unix/linux exclusively. A lot of popular client/server software MUST run from Windows servers, or on Windows PCs, period. And as far as unix/linux workstations/desktops... name one Fortune 1000 company that uses unix/linux workstations/desktops on every desk. If you don't think businesses take Linux seriously you should read »www.informationweek.com/showArti···20900300
Linux as a mainstream desktop OS for businesses (and in the home) is certainly not something too many are taking seriously. There are some exceptions such as the Ernie Ball company. The two problems I think is the lack of software development for corporate software, and the second being a lack of knowledgeable people in the IT field for using Linux as a desktop OS in a corporate environment. Meanwhile MCSEs are a dime a dozen.
--
"Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad
»maxolasersquad.com/
»maxolasersquad.com/network/ My DSL Network Guide
»myspace.com/mlsquad |
|
Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to ColorBASIC
macs also dont run users as admin, default windows installs do for some reason and for some reason lots of self patching software needs to be run as admin in windows.
--
[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
|
ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
1 edit | That is the biggest concern with this iPhone threat. From what I understand, iPhone's version of OS X runs all apps in root so if you can manage to take over the iPhone, you really TAKE OVER the iPhone.
Also for Windows, while true for XP, I believe default Windows Vista users are power users and not admins by default.
A fully patched Windows Vista is very secure in it's default configuration.
--
Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
|
ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ColorBASIC
The point of the OP was a goddamn joke to parrot back all the BS that many (not all) of the cult of Apple spew from their mouths. Jesus take off your Steve Jobs underoos and relax. No one is going to take away your precious 100% internet secure Mac. Don't worry. |
|
ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Maxo
Now I dont post on EVERY Mac/Apple issue... Just the ones I see. It's soooooo much fun to get em riled up. |
|
Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| reply to ender7074
said by ender7074 :The point of the OP was a goddamn joke to parrot back all the BS that many (not all) of the cult of Apple spew from their mouths. Jesus take off your Steve Jobs underoos and relax. No one is going to take away your precious 100% internet secure Mac. Don't worry. It's a joke that is seen in every single thread like this. It's also based on a non-true stereo-type of Mac users. You will be hard pressed to find a Mac user that believes their OS is 100% secure in every way possible.
--
"Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
»www.cafepress.com/maxolasersquad
»maxolasersquad.com/
»maxolasersquad.com/network/ My DSL Network Guide
»myspace.com/mlsquad |
|
ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to ydoucare
Kind of ironic now since they all run on basically the same equipment. My absolute favorite was listening to this idiot I worked with go on and on about how crappy PC based architecture is and how the Power PC was going to take over all. This conversation happened a week or so before Intel and Apple announced their unholy marriage. The same idiot, day after this announcement, was going on and on about how great Intel was and how good their equipment is. That was the typical Mac attitude at work. Apparently since Cap'n Steve likes it now its better than sliced bread. |
|
Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
1 edit | reply to ColorBASIC
made it to page 476... ZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
 (Post Harry Potter Combat Trauma ) 
--
Remember safe sex does not prevent crabs. |
|
WileEC
mindtaker, macky cat, etc.
join:2002-02-07
Yonkers, NY
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Maxo
said by Maxo :If you don't think businesses take Linux seriously ... Its not a matter of me not thinking businesses take Linux seriously. I didn't say that or anything remotely similar. In fact, the fortune 100 company I'm with uses Unix and Linux, but at least 90% of its servers are Windows based, and so are 99.99% of its desktops. Like I said, even if a major corp is using unix/linux, chances are its not being used exclusively.
--
Experience one of the most beautiful women on earth at PetraCentral! |
|
ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to Maxo
Exactly. Thats where the joke is pointing. For any system, there are morons that think theirs is the best due to some real or imagined benefit. I don't have any issue the people that own a piece of Apple equipment, I have issue with the people that try to droll on and on about how much better Mac is than Windows without any knowledge of computers or the supposed benefits that they are trying to convince me exist. Believe me, the "stereotype" is very true.
And isn't a bit much to call it a stereotype considering every post about Vista here has someone going on and on about how great OS X is and how much Vista sucks? |
|
ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
4 edits | reply to ender7074
BS FUD. None of what you claim is true. |
|
ender7074
join:2006-11-21
Saint Louis, MO
·AT&T Southeast
| FUD? Not really. Its a joke. Was never ment to be taken seriously. Relax and listen to your iPod, stroke your one button mouse, hell kiss your pretty Apple logo on the back of your little laptop but for the love of God realize it was a joke. Or not, and simmer in your Holy Anger that not everyone thinks that Apple has anything that resembles a quality product and that Steve Jobs is not some kind of brilliant innovater. |
|
ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
4 edits | It wasn't a joke and now you're into this spin. You made claims you couldn't support and have no clue what you're talking about.
And of course it was only a matter of time before bring up 1 button mice as virtually all the clueless Apple haters do. They're all playing from the 1990 Gate$ playlist. FYI, Mac OS has had contextual menus since OS 8.6 (that's about 10 years now) but don't let facts get in your way.
Don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. It's really not that hard of a concept to get, but endlessly whining about products who aren't interested in or don't own is simply silly.
It's certainly not inaccurate for a Mac OS user to make the statement that OS X users don't face threats. That is a simple fact that has your panties in a bunch. Get over it.
--
Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
|
BuriedCaesar
It's Not Polite To Stare.
join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Yahoo
| reply to AnonShawUser
said by AnonShawUser :"That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited. Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network. Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity."
I'll 100% respectfully disagree with your "100% based on obscurity" claim and toss a few questions back at ya.
"There are zero-percent (0%) of viruses for the Mac OS X platform that should, logically, have some 10-16% of the world's viruses if platforms' install bases dictate the numbers of viruses. The fact that Mac OS X has zero (0) viruses in the wild totally discounts "security via obscurity." 23+ million Mac OS X installs is not an "obscure" platform at all, but 6+ years of Mac OS X users surfing unimpeded certainly is "secure." There should be at least some Mac OS X viruses. There are none out there. The reason for this fact is not attributable solely to 'obscurity,' it's attributable to superior security design."
Source: »www.macdailynews.com/index.php/w···_iphone/
Yes, the link is from a well-known fan site, and you're probably eager to brush it off as such, but 23+ MILLION users - and growing? How in the world can that number possibly be considered "obscure"?
And the first person who successfully releases a virus into the wild that significantly affects even ONE Mac will be hailed as a virtual deity in the haxor community, for all eternity. What hacker wouldn't want that sort of world-wide accolade?
And I don't believe for a second that people aren't trying. Otherwise this whole issue wouldn't be garnering such attention in the first place - from all corners.
--
That was preposterous! Utter Nonsense! Totally unsupportable drivel! You can't be serious!....Um, what did you say? |
|
ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
2 edits | That's the thing...installed bases don't dictate the number of viruses.
The fact that Mac OS X have zero viruses in the wild is due to in large part it's small installed base. You aren't going to have 16% of virus writers choose to attack OS X. You'll have each of them choosing to attack platform with the largest installed base as that will give them the biggest return on their time investment.
If Mac OS X represents 50% of the desktop market, THEN you'll see OS X regularly attacked. So long as Mac OS desktop share remains single digits, no one is going to bother attacking it other than to get some money or fame (lab exploits).
--
Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
|
