Major iPhone Flaw Found > Lies!

reply to ender7074

Re: Lies!

Here's a better question for you to answer:

How many viruses/exploits for Mac, have been done in the wild in the first place? Seems to me that pretty much every one of the "threats" that have shown up for Mac products, have been created in a lab.

That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited.

Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network.

Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity.

Of course but that wasn't the point of the OP. The OPs position was that Apple fanbois claim that Apple products are never hacked and can never get malware.

No such claim is ever made. We see exploits discovered in the lab all the time and certainly any program that can be written can be written to do harm and of course it is possible to trick a user into installing a program (like LEAP-A which required the user to provide the admin password like other program installations).

What some Apple fanbois would accurately state however is that USERS never face these threats. In essense, OS X desktops out in the field can't get malware and viruses not because it's not possible but simply because none of these threats exist in the wild.

IOW, stating there are no Mac viruses in the wild is different than saying you can't write a Mac virus.
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macs also dont run users as admin, default windows installs do for some reason and for some reason lots of self patching software needs to be run as admin in windows.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports

That is the biggest concern with this iPhone threat. From what I understand, iPhone's version of OS X runs all apps in root so if you can manage to take over the iPhone, you really TAKE OVER the iPhone.

Also for Windows, while true for XP, I believe default Windows Vista users are power users and not admins by default.

A fully patched Windows Vista is very secure in it's default configuration.
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reply to ColorBASIC
The point of the OP was a goddamn joke to parrot back all the BS that many (not all) of the cult of Apple spew from their mouths. Jesus take off your Steve Jobs underoos and relax. No one is going to take away your precious 100% internet secure Mac. Don't worry.

Exactly. Thats where the joke is pointing. For any system, there are morons that think theirs is the best due to some real or imagined benefit. I don't have any issue the people that own a piece of Apple equipment, I have issue with the people that try to droll on and on about how much better Mac is than Windows without any knowledge of computers or the supposed benefits that they are trying to convince me exist. Believe me, the "stereotype" is very true.

And isn't a bit much to call it a stereotype considering every post about Vista here has someone going on and on about how great OS X is and how much Vista sucks?

reply to ender7074
BS FUD. None of what you claim is true.

FUD? Not really. Its a joke. Was never ment to be taken seriously. Relax and listen to your iPod, stroke your one button mouse, hell kiss your pretty Apple logo on the back of your little laptop but for the love of God realize it was a joke. Or not, and simmer in your Holy Anger that not everyone thinks that Apple has anything that resembles a quality product and that Steve Jobs is not some kind of brilliant innovater.

It wasn't a joke and now you're into this spin. You made claims you couldn't support and have no clue what you're talking about.

And of course it was only a matter of time before bring up 1 button mice as virtually all the clueless Apple haters do. They're all playing from the 1990 Gate$ playlist. FYI, Mac OS has had contextual menus since OS 8.6 (that's about 10 years now) but don't let facts get in your way.

Don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. It's really not that hard of a concept to get, but endlessly whining about products who aren't interested in or don't own is simply silly.

It's certainly not inaccurate for a Mac OS user to make the statement that OS X users don't face threats. That is a simple fact that has your panties in a bunch. Get over it.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

reply to AnonShawUser

That's the thing...installed bases don't dictate the number of viruses.

The fact that Mac OS X have zero viruses in the wild is due to in large part it's small installed base. You aren't going to have 16% of virus writers choose to attack OS X. You'll have each of them choosing to attack platform with the largest installed base as that will give them the biggest return on their time investment.

If Mac OS X represents 50% of the desktop market, THEN you'll see OS X regularly attacked. So long as Mac OS desktop share remains single digits, no one is going to bother attacking it other than to get some money or fame (lab exploits).
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

reply to BuriedCaesar
Wait.. surfing unimpeded? You mean even through all those repeated Safari bugs that have caused them to have to patch more often than Firefox?

And 23 million OSX installs is nothing, when you have to stretch that out over 6 years. Not when you have literally over 250 million windows installs(all the way back to at least win98).

But, I will grant you.. there is heightened security by not locking the browser right to the OS itself. Shame Linux can't take that lesson as well, since I truly hate that design feature, for the same reason I don't use IE on windows. But keep in mind, a lot more windows users don't keep their systems up to date. I've seen far too many times where the OSX patches are deemed critical for security reasons, which readily leads one to believe that if the relatively few Mac users out there weren't keeping their system patched up constantly, there'd be a lot more issues to worry over.

Surfing unimpeded I would think because these lab exploits haven't appeared in the wild. All OSes and browsers have vulnerabilities, but to be a problem they have to be exploited. Because of Safari (and Mac in general) low population and quick patching, no one is bothering to take one of these lab-exploits and put it into practice.

In terms of actual OS X security, it looks to me that Vista is just as secure or more so. If OS X saw the same relentless onslaught that the Windows platform does, you would see the same results we do with Windows and I would be buying and installing a NOD32 for Macintosh.

That's the weirdness, OS X is more secure but not because it's more secure.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire

reply to ColorBASIC

You dizzy yet?

Ahh your next master move, to make no sense. Nice comeback. I'm bored with you now. Goodbye.

Yep, my 3GHz Quad Xeon workstation t'is WAY underpowered. I'm amazed that I can squeak by with only 6GB of RAM and only a single GB of video RAM. But that's not so bad considering it was $700 cheaper than the equivalent Dell and $380 cheaper than buying the equivalent parts from Newegg. Perhaps I could have had something as cool as you have but I spent what little money I had left on an iPhone and these slick Steve Jobs Underoos. But hey, I did get these two very cool white Apple logo stickers so I can show off my obvious superiority to anyone I can get to pay attention. (Now THAT is a joke...my Mac Pro really is fast and I don't have a pair of Steve Jobs Underoos).

Got any more fables in that Apple Hater Handbook of yours?
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire