Re: Lies! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18729805 en Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:10:49 EDT Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:10:49 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18769796 anon : They actually can get malware but the only thing is Apple made that kind of opperating system so confusing and different that nobody can figure out how to make malware for it!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18769796 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:23:52 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18751753 macaholic : windows coders put backdoors into their code to make their lives easier regarding coding.... but these little short cuts mean the user is not even aware when something is installed. Even Vista has some of this "legacy" code.

Vista addresses this by popping up a confirm window whenever something runs... (whether its run before or has the checksum). The end result is the user clicks yes all the time without even reading...

MaxOSX requires a user to enter a password whenever a program tries to install an application or if a program is about to change a system setting... its a little more picky. So the enduser knows the program/website is doing something naughty...

very simple.

This is why worms and virii are harder to implement and have much less bang for the buck on Apple hardware.

I use both window and osx... and I can say hands down Mac OSX which is debian unix based has nifty concepts of user permissions and admin user privs. OSX is a much more hardened OS than any version of Windows can hope to be....

Ben
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said by jaa See Profile :

I have yet to see any pc exploit in "the wild" destroy my data or obtain my information. Never had any of my friends ever say this happened. In fact, I can't even remember any news reports about someone's pc getting hacked and having their personal information compromised, or data lost.

This iphone story is the closest I can remember.

Why would people bother looking for technical exploits to gat personal information, when it is so much easier to just ask people for it?

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This iphone story is the closest I can remember.

Why would people bother looking for technical exploits to gat personal information, when it is so much easier to just ask people for it?

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said by ender7074 See Profile :

It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem.
best quote ever!
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said by WileEC See Profile :

So what hacker would bother exploiting less than 1% of total computers worldwide? (for the slow, those be macs).
Mac sales make up about 5.8% in the US and about 2.3% in the rest of the world.
said by WileEC See Profile :

What the Mac people will NEVER understand is that I don't want some pre-packaged overpriced hardware that Steve Jobs signed off on...
I talked to the other 299 flip-flop wearin' hippies and none of us really care what you want. If you want to build your own PC from components of your choice more power to you; perhaps I'm missing where people are trying to force you to get a Mac or an iPhone. If you don't want to buy a Mac, I strongly suggest not buying one; that seems to keep everyone happy. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18744784 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:46:28 EDT Re: Don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody's asking you to. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18735132 anon : I stopped at one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18735132 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 05:28:58 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18734449 stridr69 : Actually, that looks like the owner's manual for the iPhone to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18734449 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:25:19 EDT Don't like it, don't buy it. Nobody's asking you to. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18733858 JoeG4 : I've been on the fricken internet for quite a while now, and it seems every time the A word is mentioned, a few things come up:

1. The whole "Macs are just as insecure!" BS.
2. In result, security in obscurity
3. Nothing proven
4. Someone comes along, or a whole slew of "diplomats" that give their unsolicited opinion on why Apple customers are evangelist freaks and how they have macophobia, and then give a long-ass explanation about how Apple stuff isn't for them
5. I come along, and say to the #5s, who cares? I sure don't.
6. I use every OS I can get my hands on, prefer OS X, and don't give a crap otherwise.
7. I don't run anything outside of a firewall on the router as far as protection is concerned, and with our 6 macs (and 4 PCs), there hasn't been an issue with any of them - in the many years we've had all of the above
8. F all of you armchair security experts
9. Anyone who uses the word enterprise in these discussions is a jack***

10. There is no #10. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18733858 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:52:51 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18733618 BuriedCaesar :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Mac OS X population is obscure because it's not big enough to get the desired results.
Then why all the hubbub? Why does just about every mainstream news outlet practically fall over themselves any time there is even the slightest hint that the Mac OS might have been compromised in some tiny, insignificant manner, that, to date, hasn't affected even ONE Mac separate and apart from whatever testing environment in which the exploit or flaw or hole or whatever you want to call it was created?

Seems a bit out of proportion.
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Got any more fables in that Apple Hater Handbook of yours?
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said by kapil See Profile :

Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity
Uhm, no. That may have been true back in the pre-OS X days, but that isn't the case any more. OS X is basically the same OS that the hackers are using, just with a pretty GUI and some nice apps.
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

It wasn't a joke and now you're into this spin. You made claims you couldn't support and have no clue what you're talking about.

And of course it was only a matter of time before bring up 1 button mice as virtually all the clueless Apple haters do. They're all playing from the 1990 Gate$ playlist. FYI, Mac OS has had contextual menus since OS 8.6 (that's about 10 years now) but don't let facts get in your way.

Don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. It's really not that hard of a concept to get, but endlessly whining about products who aren't interested in or don't own is simply silly.

It's certainly not inaccurate for a Mac OS user to make the statement that OS X users don't face threats. That is a simple fact that has your panties in a bunch. Get over it.
I believe that it's your panties in a bunch. Again, let me add this just because you can't seem to comprehend the word joke. Note the very last line in the definition. If this doesnt work, maybe we can all pitch in and get you a hooked on phonics book.

I do love your amature attempt at psychology by trying to tell me what I was thinking when I wrote the original post. You must be a real expert, or psychic, to be able to deduce what I was thinking. I also love your comment about "spin". Now THAT was funny. Do you actually think I care if some people on a website are angry with me? You think this is some kind of popularity contest? BWAHAHAHAHAHA, now THATS a joke.

One final thing before I give you the definition of joke, which you seem to sorely need. You have said in multiple posts that Macs are only vulnerable in a lab setting and then dared anyone to prove you wrong. You seem to be the "spin" guy here with your last line. Contradicted yourself nicely, I would say. And I believe that you are the one who needs to "get over it".

I could care less if anyone buys Apple products, as I have stated in previous posts. I'll never buy them. They are overpriced and underpowered. Oh, and I don't think the Almighty Jobs needs your defense so you don't need to be making this some kind of personal crusade.



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A mischievous trick; a prank.
An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.
Informal.
Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.
An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office.

v., joked, jok·ing, jokes.

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said by kapil See Profile :

Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity.

There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them.
23+ million estimated installed base for Mac OS X is considered "obscure"? I suppose the converse of this overly-used and simplistic concept is "insecurity-through-ubiquity"? Maybe also known as "job security"?

Or, maybe, are those criminals also profiting perhaps because targeting a Windows machine is just flat easier from a security standpoint?

And, the first person to successfully create something (anything) that will not require some sort of significant user interaction before wreaking even the mildest havoc on a Mac will effectively shake the entire computer universe to its very core. And become immortal in the process. You don't think they're out there trying right now? I don't believe that for a second.
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In terms of actual OS X security, it looks to me that Vista is just as secure or more so. If OS X saw the same relentless onslaught that the Windows platform does, you would see the same results we do with Windows and I would be buying and installing a NOD32 for Macintosh.

That's the weirdness, OS X is more secure but not because it's more secure. :D
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And 23 million OSX installs is nothing, when you have to stretch that out over 6 years. Not when you have literally over 250 million windows installs(all the way back to at least win98).

But, I will grant you.. there is heightened security by not locking the browser right to the OS itself. Shame Linux can't take that lesson as well, since I truly hate that design feature, for the same reason I don't use IE on windows. But keep in mind, a lot more windows users don't keep their systems up to date. I've seen far too many times where the OSX patches are deemed critical for security reasons, which readily leads one to believe that if the relatively few Mac users out there weren't keeping their system patched up constantly, there'd be a lot more issues to worry over.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18731149 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 16:08:44 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18731117 ColorBASIC : That's the thing...installed bases don't dictate the number of viruses.

The fact that Mac OS X have zero viruses in the wild is due to in large part it's small installed base. You aren't going to have 16% of virus writers choose to attack OS X. You'll have each of them choosing to attack platform with the largest installed base as that will give them the biggest return on their time investment.

If Mac OS X represents 50% of the desktop market, THEN you'll see OS X regularly attacked. So long as Mac OS desktop share remains single digits, no one is going to bother attacking it other than to get some money or fame (lab exploits).
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said by AnonShawUser See Profile :

"That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited.

Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network.

Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity."

I'll 100% respectfully disagree with your "100% based on obscurity" claim and toss a few questions back at ya.

"There are zero-percent (0%) of viruses for the Mac OS X platform that should, logically, have some 10-16% of the world's viruses if platforms' install bases dictate the numbers of viruses. The fact that Mac OS X has zero (0) viruses in the wild totally discounts "security via obscurity." 23+ million Mac OS X installs is not an "obscure" platform at all, but 6+ years of Mac OS X users surfing unimpeded certainly is "secure." There should be at least some Mac OS X viruses. There are none out there. The reason for this fact is not attributable solely to 'obscurity,' it's attributable to superior security design."

Source: »www.macdailynews.com/index.php/w···_iphone/

Yes, the link is from a well-known fan site, and you're probably eager to brush it off as such, but 23+ MILLION users - and growing? How in the world can that number possibly be considered "obscure"?

And the first person who successfully releases a virus into the wild that significantly affects even ONE Mac will be hailed as a virtual deity in the haxor community, for all eternity. What hacker wouldn't want that sort of world-wide accolade?

And I don't believe for a second that people aren't trying. Otherwise this whole issue wouldn't be garnering such attention in the first place - from all corners.
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And of course it was only a matter of time before bring up 1 button mice as virtually all the clueless Apple haters do. They're all playing from the 1990 Gate$ playlist. FYI, Mac OS has had contextual menus since OS 8.6 (that's about 10 years now) but don't let facts get in your way.

Don't like Apple's products, don't buy them. It's really not that hard of a concept to get, but endlessly whining about products who aren't interested in or don't own is simply silly.

It's certainly not inaccurate for a Mac OS user to make the statement that OS X users don't face threats. That is a simple fact that has your panties in a bunch. Get over it.
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And isn't a bit much to call it a stereotype considering every post about Vista here has someone going on and on about how great OS X is and how much Vista sucks?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730793 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:21:07 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730772 WileEC :
said by Maxo See Profile :

If you don't think businesses take Linux seriously ...
Its not a matter of me not thinking businesses take Linux seriously. I didn't say that or anything remotely similar. In fact, the fortune 100 company I'm with uses Unix and Linux, but at least 90% of its servers are Windows based, and so are 99.99% of its desktops. Like I said, even if a major corp is using unix/linux, chances are its not being used exclusively.
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said by ender7074 See Profile :

The point of the OP was a goddamn joke to parrot back all the BS that many (not all) of the cult of Apple spew from their mouths. Jesus take off your Steve Jobs underoos and relax. No one is going to take away your precious 100% internet secure Mac. Don't worry.
It's a joke that is seen in every single thread like this. It's also based on a non-true stereo-type of Mac users. You will be hard pressed to find a Mac user that believes their OS is 100% secure in every way possible.
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Also for Windows, while true for XP, I believe default Windows Vista users are power users and not admins by default.

A fully patched Windows Vista is very secure in it's default configuration.
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said by WileEC See Profile :

dream on... even if a major corp uses unix/linux servers, chances are they are not using unix/linux exclusively. A lot of popular client/server software MUST run from Windows servers, or on Windows PCs, period. And as far as unix/linux workstations/desktops... name one Fortune 1000 company that uses unix/linux workstations/desktops on every desk.
If you don't think businesses take Linux seriously you should read »www.informationweek.com/showArti···20900300
Linux as a mainstream desktop OS for businesses (and in the home) is certainly not something too many are taking seriously. There are some exceptions such as the Ernie Ball company. The two problems I think is the lack of software development for corporate software, and the second being a lack of knowledgeable people in the IT field for using Linux as a desktop OS in a corporate environment. Meanwhile MCSEs are a dime a dozen.
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No such claim is ever made. We see exploits discovered in the lab all the time and certainly any program that can be written can be written to do harm and of course it is possible to trick a user into installing a program (like LEAP-A which required the user to provide the admin password like other program installations).

What some Apple fanbois would accurately state however is that USERS never face these threats. In essense, OS X desktops out in the field can't get malware and viruses not because it's not possible but simply because none of these threats exist in the wild.

IOW, stating there are no Mac viruses in the wild is different than saying you can't write a Mac virus.
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

said by Maxo See Profile :

said by ender7074 See Profile :

It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone.
LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product.
Show us where it's happened outside a lab or conference? There is a huge difference between a lab only exploit discovery and that exploit being used in the wild.

A lab only exploit isn't a threat to users. It's not a threat to users unless the unpatchable vulnerability is exploited in the wild which we never see with OS X. The reasons are numerous and can include quick patching, low population and difficult propagation.
I was clearly poking fun at ender7074 See Profile and satellite68 See Profile! These same two posts show up in every single thread that involves a problem with Mac equipment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730214 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:03:04 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730188 ydoucare :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products?

The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't.

When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it.

Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs.
I love how it's always "MAC" vs "PC" and not Windows VS OS X, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730188 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:59:45 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18730181 Maxo :
said by WileEC See Profile :

Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway. :D
Great Middle School level troll. I know plenty of people that run Mac and they don't wear flip flops and certainly are not hippies. I on the other hand do wear flip flops, but don't run Mac. Troll again, I mean, try again.
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How many viruses/exploits for Mac, have been done in the wild in the first place? Seems to me that pretty much every one of the "threats" that have shown up for Mac products, have been created in a lab.

That means, the hackers out in the rest of the world simply don't care about Macs. And if they aren't trying to hack it, it's not going to be exploited.

Systems don't hack themselves, and the last time I looked, security companies don't actively try to hack systems outside of their safety network.

Thus, your Mac security is 100% based on obscurity.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729985 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:32:50 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729844 g3ski :
said by ender7074 See Profile :

.... Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there?
True that most exploits are now injected to create botnets to do nefarious things. Thus targeting windows users who are the majority of computers makes sense. Most malware runs on XP right now, it's got the biggest penetration, and it's easy to do. (OS X and vista are more secure out of the box.)

If it were easy to create malware for the mac, it would be done also do supplement the botnets. You really think they wouldn't do something easy that would add to their profit. It's just that not a single person on the planet has proven that it's "easy" to build a malware exploit for OS X.

Both Vista and OS X are HUGE targets for the small number of hackers who still care to be the guy who cracks those systems in easy and unique ways. These hackers are working on exploiting OS X and Vista constantly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729844 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:13:54 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729805 Ahrenl : Actually it says:

take control of iPhones through a WiFi connection or by tricking users into going to a Web site that contains malicious code.
Looks like if you have ayour wifi connection open, they can get in as well. I guess you could say that takes user intervention, but so does plugging the network cable/enabling the wifi on your Wintel laptop. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729805 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:07:55 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729715 Necronomikro : I disagree about your statement regarding corporations all using windows pcs and servers. That is not true. A lot of corporations are using linux now, for their servers. And a few are even using it for their workstations.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729715 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:56:51 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729524 WileEC : Yes, basically what he's saying is that nobody cares about the 300 or so flip flop wearin', hippie mac users. They don't have anything to steal anyway. :D

All major corporations run Windows based PCs and/or servers. 99% of households all over the world run MS Windows, including now even on Macs (guess those 300 flip flop wearin hippies can't deal with the complete lack of entertainment software).

So what hacker would bother exploiting less than 1% of total computers worldwide? (for the slow, those be macs).

And however prevalent malware is on Windows, it is also easily completely avoidable if you make some simple changes starting with using a 3rd party browser such as Firefox, using a good hardware router/firewall and avoid opening emails/attachments from senders you don't know (even if you really really really want that v1a.gra). I don't even run anti-virus on my Win XP pc 99% of the time because I don't need to. It's been that way for YEARS and I don't have issues. (oh, and I'm an expert - I rip malware off other's people's PCs, so I know what I'm talkin' bout)

What the Mac people will NEVER understand is that I don't want some pre-packaged overpriced hardware that Steve Jobs signed off on... I prefer to build my own system, from scratch using components of my choice. And its choice that is sorely missing from the Mac camp. Which is ironic considering how they advertised Macs as the answer to "the draconian PC" back in the days.. lol.

The iPhone is just another example of an overpriced, unnecessary device that flocks of the stupid bought into just to have the latest sex substitute they can show off to their other virgin friends who weren't stupid enough to buy one. I mean, a) to wait in line to buy A PHONE and b) to pay 5~6 hundred dollars for that PHONE doesn't exactly make the those who purchased them geniuses.
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said by Maxo See Profile :

said by ender7074 See Profile :

It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone.
LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product.
Show us where it's happened outside a lab or conference? There is a huge difference between a lab only exploit discovery and that exploit being used in the wild.

A lab only exploit isn't a threat to users. It's not a threat to users unless the unpatchable vulnerability is exploited in the wild which we never see with OS X. The reasons are numerous and can include quick patching, low population and difficult propagation.
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said by kapil See Profile :

Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity.

There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them.
I believe that is certainly part of it. Part if it is the amount of user intervention required for propagation as was the case with the LEAP-A worm where it required user installation like any other program including providing admin privs. The biggest is that these lab discovered exploits are often quickly patched making propagation impossible.

But the simple fact that OS X users don't face threats from the wild won't stop Windows user FUD about these threats (which was the subject of the OP).

No one denies that exploits exist, only that the exploits are ever exploited in the wild.
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Show me where malware of a virus in the wild hosed Apple products?

A lab only exploit isn't a security issue for USERS. It becomes a security issue for USERS if the exploit makes it to the wild.
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said by ender7074 See Profile :

I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals.
Amen to that. I had a family member that ran a small graphic design business with a Mac, and I provided hardware/software support. What an expensive nightmare that was. Second to that, my in-laws recently bought a new Dell and had serious problems. They returned it and were excited about getting a new Mac (after playing with a demo in a Mac store). They went back to the store to talk options and prices. Needless to say, they now own an HP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729260 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:49:32 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729231 ender7074 : Touche! :D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729231 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:44:30 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729214 WALL_E : I'm an "Appleite" and I admit that this is a security issue that Apple should take care of as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not an exploit exists ITW. So there! :D ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729214 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:42:18 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729210 Maxo :
said by ender7074 See Profile :

It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone.
LOL. Hilarious! The exact same thing that is said every time a security flaw is found in a Mac product.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729210 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:40:43 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729174 ender7074 :
said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products?

The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't.

When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it.

Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs.
Spoken like a true Apple zombie. Why make any kind of virus or malware for a platform that is less than 10% of the total platforms out there? Oh and by the way, note the humor in my original post or did I touch a nerve? I have yet to hear any Appleite admit to ANY kind of security issue, from hacking to outright virus infestation, ever.

Personally I could give a warm crap about how secure/un-secure Crapandtoss computers are. I'll never own one or any other piece of Apple equipment, and not because I hate Apple or anything like that, I've just got no use for a gimped and expensive computer or highly overpriced peripherals. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729174 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:34:30 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729164 kapil : Yes, thanks to a concept us IT and Security folk call security-through-obscurity.

There isn't as much malware targeted at Apple products because the criminals profit more by targeting Windows machines since there are many more of them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729164 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:33:18 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729032 ColorBASIC : Show me where malware or virus in the wild hosed Apple products?

The difference between Mac and Pee Cee is Pee Cee threats appear in the wild where Mac threats don't.

When/if these unpatchable lab-only exploits ever appear in the wild, I as a Mac user will worry about it.

Meanwhile, Apple products aren't being hosed, except by a scant few security researchers in their labs.
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said by ender7074 See Profile :

It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone.
LOL. Hilarious!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18729015 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:07:29 EDT Re: Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18728999 sirghost : Most apple fanboys will admit that they can get hacked, etc. They simply pass it off as being a bonus feature that thier stuff has.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18728999 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:04:15 EDT Lies! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18728986 ender7074 : It must be a lie! Apple products are never hacked and NEVER can get any type of malware or virus. Thats a Windows only problem. At least thats what the Apple fanboys tell everyone.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18728986 Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:01:00 EDT