JRSlater8
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Re: Would you put photos of children online?
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No I would not put any childs photograph on any website. There are way to many perverts in this world, who knows what they would do, especialy in photoshop.
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grazed
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I suppose we should all cover children in blankets while we drive in a car, which has a license plate that associates with our home address.
I also think that it would be a good idea to deliver the children in a cardboard box to the school bus, since the school bus will eventually reveal where they go to school.
and while we're at it, how about hiding them from the doctors, dentists, and preschools who ALL know where they live. Sounds just FAR too risky to me.
oh I almost forgot, how about build a full-size MOAT around our houses to deter the strangers that pass by on the road. you know, since they DAMN WELL know where the children live now.
in short, paranoia is not a good thing. but it seems that most are good AT it. if someone in your area is going to target your child while they're at school, it will not be on the website. Start worrying who is parked next to the playground.
outside of that, no pedophile is going to drive cross country to see your kid they saw on the internet. they have plenty of potentials near them. |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | No need to flame those who would choose not to. State you would, state your reasons for it, and move to troll the next forum. |
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Rash
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A different way to look at it would be this scenario what if one of the families is in some sort of protective program like witness protection?
I was involved in a program at work where we tutored elementary school children for a few hrs a week. (I am a firefighter) We wanted some photos of us and the kids at the end of the school year and started to take photos, the school freaked out and explained some of the kids can not have photos taken of them for various reasons.
It's just not "perverts" that you should be aware of.
BTW I see no problem if parents agree. |
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Jason Levine
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said by Jahntassa  :If it were a password protected gallery for the parents to visit, that'd be one thing. But a free-access gallery, no way. When I started reading the replies promoting a password protected gallery, I thought that it would be a good idea. Then I started thinking. To keep it simple to manage, there would need to be one password to get in. (We're not going to assign each parent their own username/password.) Once one password is issued, it's likely to be shared with grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.
Even if it's not shared too much, it's likely to be cracked because I'm sure they'll pick an easy to remember password.
said by Jahntassa :If they want to have pictures of kids 'having fun' or whatnot to promote an image, I would steer more toward stock photographs that have nothing to do with the kids actually attending. If parents sign off on letting their child's photos be used on the website, then why pay for a stock photo? Plus, we can constantly update the photos and show just what happens in the center instead of using a generic stock photo.
said by Jahntassa :Mostly following along the lines of another post, about how the place would be easily found. As it is, the place can be easily found. The center's address is right on the website. Besides, it's listed in the phone book. Any local pervert might use the phone book to locate daycares to "visit." Should we remove the listing just in case some pervert is reading the phone book? |
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ErthBndAngel
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| I used to work for the largest daycare corporation in the country and while there every parent was given a waiver for photos. It was really pretty basic with two sections I believe. One section allowed or declined permission to take a child's photo. The other section allowed or declined permission to use that child's photo for marketing purposes. If the site has a gallery of activities that take place at the school using these images shouldn't be a problem.
You wouldn't be the first to provide parents with a way to see what their kids are doing while away from them. I had a photowall in my classroom and I think that was the highlight of the parent's and kid's day when they came in to see updates. As a parent at the school you have the unique opportunity to discuss this with other parents. You're going to get some of the "hell no" people (waiver) but I think for the most part your going to find some hesitation but eagerness to make it work. Who knows you might find a fellow parent willing to help with website admin stuff enabling you to assign individual passwords.
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05241201
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I wouldn't
btw, threads like this are pointless. Why does it matter what other people do, it obviously isn't going to affect the decision of what you do. |
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pog
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The issue is not just perverts. There are a lot of situations... perhaps more prevalent than scenarios involving unknown pedophiles ...where one parent has fled from the other, sometimes to other states, to escape physical and emotional abuse of all types... where the non-custodial parent is likely to interfere, cause harm, etc, etc. This is potential liability (fair or unfair, right or wrong) than no sane child care provider should be willing to take on... without at least considering all the implications and taking all the possible steps to minimize harm.
There is enough at stake, I think, that it would probably be a good idea for the director to talk to local experts... the licensing office, lawyers, detectives, protective services workers... and the insurance rep, most importantly. Would a gallery be considered reckless by the insurer? Would they deny coverage? Will rates go up?
Anyway, if advertising is the goal, there is one very easy approach to take. Take pictures all year long, as often as desired. Then, right before the kids graduate, review the best shots and ask the relevant parents for permission to post. This way, nobody can go online and know what kids are currently enrolled.
If offering a service for parents/relatives, why host the site? Why not offer the images via email on a regular basis? How about uploading to a printing service (like Costco's), use a password for every new folder, and just email the links out?
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Nezmo
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How about this: »www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prs···2&i=Y10D. I don't see it as any different.
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DreamWraith
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Mount Vernon, WA
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I think there is a slight issue that needs clarification here. You ask a very general question. "should pictures of kids be put online".
Now given the backstory you posted, it would *seem* you want to ask whether a daycare should post said pictures online.
If i take the question as written, i would say there is nothing inherently wrong with posting pictures of children online.
Moving on to the possible interpretation of your question, i would add qualifying statments that said pictures should not be easily tracable to locational information, and of course should be normal, fully clothed pics. Those bathtime pics are best kept at home, in the family. |
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FAQFixer
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Powder Springs, GA
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I wouldn't do it. Even though you don't give names associating them with the school gives an edge to a predator. They can see the child and say, "Hi Timmy, I work for ABC Preschool. Please come with me." It actually happened at a fairly prominent private school near me.
It's not worth it. I don't keep my kids covered up or in the dark, but I also don't give anyone an edge. |
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gallowsroad
join:2004-08-09
Tulsa, OK
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As long as it is an "opt-in" deal for parents and they are aware of *exactly* what the gallery will entail and who may potentially have access to it, I see no problem.
On the wider question, personally speaking:
I have some photos of children posted in my Flickr account. All of them fully clothed, etc., and with the explicit written permission of the parents, down to which photographs could, or could not be posted. (No one ever actually said yes to one but not another - they've always looked at them and given a blanket yes or no). I always ask the parents of the children appearing in the photos, and always abide completely by their wishes.
Our local photo club's theme two months ago was children and my brother in law, who had turned me down the first time I asked him about posting photos of his twins (and he said that decision was permanent, and I utterly respect that), was surprised I asked permission to enter a photo of one of his girls since it was a print competition. It never occurred to me *not* to ask.
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KAD Imaging
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said by wierdo :I just want to say that it amazes me how reactionary people have gotten in recent years regarding pictures of children, despite the actual incidence of sexual abuse declining for quite some time now. The news media and politicians are screaming about it more loudly than ever, though, for ratings and votes, respectively. That said, I don't have kids and don't photograph them, so all I've got are statistics. See this post: »Re: How a Photo Can Ruin Your Life and view the Department of Justice site for clarification on that. 
As for the issue at large, there are ways to deal with it in I think, an appropriate manner. You can use a wide aperture to diffuse the children in bokeh. Shoot them from behind so their faces are shown. Or even shoot them with heavy back lighting to safely silhouette them into obscureness. Just a few ideas.
This way you can show them engaged in activities without ever showing who they are...
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Splitpair
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As prevously posted the answer is simply NO.
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ff1324
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Quite often, we would have kids and their parents come by to see the fire truck or would see us out and about and ask to see the fire truck. What parent doesn't want a picture of their kids "driving" the fire truck with their souvenir fire helmets on? We used to use Polaroids but were going blind on the price of the film. So.....we bought digital cameras for each of the trucks and set up a gallery on the website for parents to download a full-resolution picture of their kids. It was used a bit until the question was raised about perverts downloading and accessing the pictures. The gallery was pulled pending the drafting of a release form for the parents to sign.
I understand where the attorney was coming from by trying to protect the district, but I think it was an overreaction to think that a random picture of kids on a fire truck, with no names, and no way of locating said kids would be a liability. Aggravating and disappointing, but understandable.
Perhaps you could use business cards and write a password for each person to type in so they could access the gallery. That would also allow you to see statistically how much the gallery is used. Or make the password the kids full name with no spaces and you could generate the password list off of the daycare's attendance sheets.
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| said by ff1324 :Perhaps you could use business cards and write a password for each person to type in so they could access the gallery. That would also allow you to see statistically how much the gallery is used. Or make the password the kids full name with no spaces and you could generate the password list off of the daycare's attendance sheets. Just had another thought...Flickr seems to have pretty good control over it's groups so you could setup a private group and then have the parents register with the group. It allows approvals so you could validate everyone that got access?
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Jason Levine
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said by 05241201 :I wouldn't btw, threads like this are pointless. Why does it matter what other people do, it obviously isn't going to affect the decision of what you do. I don't think it's pointless. It actually will affect what I do. I'm reading each of the comments and taking them in. I might not be agreeing with all of the arguments against the daycare gallery idea (I think it's pretty clear that I'm personally for it), but most people are making very good points. Even if we go forward with the gallery, this discussion will change how I implement it.
For example, after sleeping on the "password protected gallery" idea, I'm actually liking it again. (Call me a flip-flopper! ) We could still select a few photos for marketing purposes that would go on the general website ("this is what your kid could do here" shots) while putting the bulk of them in an area known only to and accessible only to parents.
The daycare itself has locks on the doors that require you to push a certain key combination. It's not perfect. The code is pretty short and parents could easily pass it on to someone else. Parents could also let someone in thinking that the other person is a parent. Still, the code reduces the chance that some pervert (or other random creep) can just walk into the daycare.
The "hidden" gallery and password would serve the same purpose. It wouldn't be a 100% secure solution, but it would provide a "speed bump" against undesirables viewing the photos. |
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yock
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I think that at some point in this country we got the idea that anything which happened to a child was someone's fault. Someone was to blame for not protecting them sufficiently. As a result, we start sequestering children more and more from society in an effort to protect them from all of the bad things that might occur.
Presumably, this day care has a playground facility where children play outside within a chain-link fence. Presumably also these children arrive and depart at nearly the same time everyday and are transferred to and from the building by one of his or her parents. Presumably also these children are in custodian of a caretaker who, while might him or herself be safe, has unknown associates that may or may not present a danger to those children. Presumably this day care is well advertised as such and isn't a nondescript, top secret location whose purpose is hidden from all.
Guys, girls, these are just photographs. They serve the very legitimate purpose of documenting a child's daily activities for the enjoyment of the parents. That they may be used for ill will is no different than all of the other opportunities sick people have to exploit children. Treating them like they serve as a brunch menu for pedophiles is an exaggeration of the danger and I think demonstrates the ostrich method of parenting (hiding by sticking one's own head in the sand).
Unless you're an utterly and willfully neglectful parent, chances are you're doing all that you can to protect your children. This little bit of exposure doesn't even begin to compare with the risk involved with even playing in a park, walking down the street, riding a bike, or any number of other activities where there is real risk of abduction. I know this won't convince any of you, but I felt the need to say it.
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NewLife
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Could create a special section on the site just for parents. This area would be password protected and you would get your username and password when your child enrolled. Not only could you have a pic gallery there but lots of other information pertaining to the center.
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