DreamWraith
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Re: Would you put photos of children online?
said by Dynevor  :[I don't "hermitize" myself, nor do I live in fear. I do have a big "stick" that I have used on a predator that I caught after he had exposed himself, via an Internet kids messaging center, to one of my young daughters. The messaging center (run by a church) was shut down. "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."(JFK) I don't beleive i directed my post at any one person. But by all means, take it as a personally directed statement if you so choose.
I was making a general statement to the general participation of the thread as a response to a general theme posted in general by some posters. I generally will post a reply directly to an individual if my reply is generally intended to be directed at them.
Does that generally clear things up?
I generally feel fine now.:)
said by Kiwi :This topic reminds me of the after math media frenzy of 9/11. No kidding. |
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Dynevor
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| said by DreamWraith :said by Dynevor :[I don't "hermitize" myself, nor do I live in fear. I do have a big "stick" that I have used on a predator that I caught after he had exposed himself, via an Internet kids messaging center, to one of my young daughters. The messaging center (run by a church) was shut down. > But by all means, take it as a personally directed statement if you so choose
...Does that generally clear things up?. Generally speaking:
....uh..huh?
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."(JFK)
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Dynevor
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said by Kiwi :.....This topic reminds me of the after math media frenzy of 9/11..... Holy crap man, you think 9/11 was media frenzy. You are all heart. 
[EDIT]I would be interested in hearing your views on photojournalism of the Vietnam war. Not |
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DreamWraith
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| said by Dynevor :Holy crap man, you think 9/11 was media frenzy. You are all heart. [EDIT]I would be interested in hearing your views on photojournalism of the Vietnam war. Not Not everyone was alive to experience that, fwiw. |
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jvmorris
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I wonder if Kiwi (and possibly DreamWraith?) might not be referring rather indirectly to MSNBC Dateline's "To Catch a Predator" series?
I tend to characterize that kind of reporting as "voyeuristic exploitation of perversion", so if that's colored their views I could understand why. I suppose that after 50 minutes of titillating revelations of pervs being caught, MSNBC probably provides an obligatory five minute mini-essay entitled "What you can do to protect your children online". Whether that little essay tells parents anything practical or whether it primarily just spreads FUD, I've no idea. At any rate, I'm sure the program is good to go for the remainder of this year.
Incidentally, something similar did happen after 9/11; it's just that I'd call that "voyeuristic exploitation of terrorism".
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said by DreamWraith :Not everyone was alive to experience that, fwiw. But most people did study history in school and college.
What is fwiw? 
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said by jvmorris :I wonder if Kiwi (and possibly DreamWraith?) might not be referring rather indirectly to MSNBC Dateline's "To Catch a Predator" series? I think NBC's background research was done watching "Law and Order". 
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said by Dynevor :What is fwiw? For What It's Worth. |
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pog
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said by jvmorris :... "voyeuristic exploitation of perversion" ... Sadly, I have to agree with you. That show is not popular because of any noble intentions it has... as you say, it titillates, so it sells. Not much different from anything else in the sex industry: strip clubs, prostitution, porn videos, etc. Well, one difference... they're not upfront with their motives. Even with the law enforcement angle in the show, I have to wonder if they are perhaps fanning the flames a bit, too... titillating a latent pedo into action.
Voyeurism is not unique to our culture or time but I think it's become blatantly mainstream recently. Anything graphic seems to draw viewers like flies... it's not TV's fault entirely, though. They're merely pandering to what audiences say they want... eg, the endless popularity of extreme/bizarre/perverted video clips online. It's not the internet's fault either... before that, there were wildly popular videos like "faces of death", etc.
Who's worse, though... the viewer getting off on this material or the producers for airing it?
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1 edit | said by pog :. . . Who's worse, though... the viewer getting off on this material or the producers for airing it? Oh, I'd vote for the producers in a flash (as it were). They're only in it for the money generated from advertising revenues. Any day now, I suspect you'll find an ad on that program featuring "Victoria's Secrets Collection for Children" as a major sponsor.
Ahem, minor point of information: The only reason I even know about this program was when I was channel-surfing on my cable one night (purely out of boredom, of course) and happened to run across it. It must have taken me a half hour this morning to recollect what and where it was. And, no, guys, I've never seen a complete episode. Ten minutes was quite enough, thank you.
I'm sure that Dateline would vigorously defend their decision to air this series because it's 'in the public interest'. But, let's be serious guys, if they wanted to address this subject from a public interest (informing the citizenry and all that) would it really be presented like this?
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Kiwi
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I was going to leave this alone, but wanted to clarify my comment had nothing to do with what happened on 9/11 and jvmorris has pretty well summed up how I feel about the media, it's exploitative and generally feeble, lacks scientific inquiry and relies heavily on myth, prejudice, deceit along with an alarmist mentality. Right along with that the facts are hardly ever accurate, just a basis to the story that gets a twisted end result. "Get the story first and then deal with the fallout, we can cover the lies later".
I won't let the media or knee jerking determine what I'll believe. To a large extent the media has served no useful purpose to ending those sick pedophiles, if anything it has garnered an interest where one may not have been before for those sick people, the media glorify the absolute worst in humanity.
It was good enough for past generations of parents to be proud of their kids, so why stop now. I realize I took a turn in the road from the rest of the thread, but someone had to inject some reason. |
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jvmorris
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| Well said.
I wasn't trying to create any dissonance (quite the contrary, in fact), I just suspected that there was one of those famous 'failures to communicate' in the emerging dialog. That's why I made that post.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Thank you.
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aloneworld
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I have plenty of pictures of my wife's kids in my gallery and on my wife's flikr.
There's 5 pages of answers for this topic and unfortunately I think that on first one was the most relevant.
Ask the parents to sign a consent form and don't put any name.
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pog
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This thread is long but I think I should also clarify some of my earlier posts, too.
A daycare operator... any business owner, really ...need not only consider the actual harm that (in this case) posting pictures might cause to the subjects. It's not just danger from pedophiles, either... more often, probably most of the time, the danger comes from estranged spouses, non-custodial parents, etc.
My point, though, is that the truth of the danger is not the whole story. There's also the harm to the business that will come from knee-jerk anti-perv save-the-children zealots. Negative PR can easily wreck a business. This is a compelling reason for a daycare operator to play it safe, regardless of whether or not that operator believes the danger to be real or present.
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| A side note to pog 's post, with the way civil lawsuits (though I might start calling them frival lawsuits) are nowadays, the knee-jerk reactions by some is something a business like this has to consider. A parent could sue for the littles thing. That doesn't mean they'll win, but the whole process could be enough to put them under. |
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DreamWraith
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said by Dynevor :But most people did study history in school and college. What is fwiw? Again, what makes you think everyone has the exact same education as you did? Education systems and curriculum's can vary greatly from state to state, and even district to district.
There was a class in high school on Vietnam era history, but it was an elective I didn't have room in my schedule for. |
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Dynevor
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1 edit | said by DreamWraith : Again, what makes you think everyone has the exact same education as you did? Education systems and curriculum's can vary greatly from state to state, and even district to district.
There was a class in high school on Vietnam era history, but it was an elective I didn't have room in my schedule for.
That is sad. But I presume a discussion of the poor quality of our current educational system is not appropriate to this forum.. |
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