Tzale
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said by RARPSL  :said by Tzale :In 2007, broadband is NOT needed to have a high standard of living. People should not expect Verizon to spend millions of dollars to provide FIOS to 10 people in a square mile that will take thousands of years to regain the money lost on rollout there. I am willing to accept that Verizon should be able to decide if they want to service an area so long as their decision to not service it PRECLUDES their spending 1 cent to prevent that area from creating their own Broadband Service. IOW: If you do not want to service it, you have NO RIGHT to fight someone who does (in court or the legislature). With the amount of Bribes and Court Costs to fight Muni Systems, the Telcos would have had money left over after just servicing the area in most cases. I agree 100% on that...
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said by Ahrenl :You do realize that 80% of the population in this country live near the urban centers right? More people think Bush is doing a good job, than live in Rural USA. Consider you may never get service unless your community builds it yourself. And many people who say "rural," mean "not in town but still in what the census bureau considers an urbanized area." If you count those people, who also can't get good broadband options because the density isn't there, you'd probably get more than 80%. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
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Fortunate that this is part of the 22% goodness then...
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2000 there were 222,360,539 persons living in urban areas in the 50 states and DC -- 79 percent of the
281,421,906 total persons. Pg 13 (»www.freepress.net/docs/shooting_···nger.pdf) |
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KD4CVR
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Gainesville, GA | reply to Answer Guy
5 out of 4 people have trouble with statistics |
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Goleta, CA | reply to Answer Guy
Re: Nice!
hey, if it comes from the answer guy, its gotta be true right? |
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said by DrModem :Ahem, moving is MORE expensive than running service out to nowhere probably. "Just move if you don't like it" is the most idiotic and dumb suggestion I've ever heard. People move to cities for better access to various items, including among other things, economies of scale, such as with utilities. However, because of high density and demand, they must pay high costs for some items such as real estate and anything that's bottlenecked or corrupted like shipping charges, etc.. There are also benefits to moving out to rural areas, or the in-between, suburban. If you live out there, you probably own your own home too, so you ought to build or hire someone to build your own network rather than bitching about someone else not doing it for you.
If the situation is that your government puts impediments to you doing so yourself, then you have to support and/or create organization(s) that band together those who want Internet to go out and change the government and have the networks installed themselves (or by those they hire).
You pay less for some items, like real estate, safety from low class people that have been shoved into welfare highrises in cities for historical political reasons, etc.., and you pay more for some items that lack the same economies of scale like utilities.
If you are in a suburban or "high density rural" (oxymoron) area, then you have to realize exactly the type of area it is and what your responsibilities and capabilities in it are.
So, it's not idiotic or rediculous. There are some things that others should do for you since you have already paid them a lot of money, but there are other things that you should do for yourself since it is your job to do so. |
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Answer Guy
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Grass Lake, MI | reply to Ahrenl
Yup, but don't forget that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot. |
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RARPSL
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Suffern, NY
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Re: Nice!
said by Tzale :In 2007, broadband is NOT needed to have a high standard of living. People should not expect Verizon to spend millions of dollars to provide FIOS to 10 people in a square mile that will take thousands of years to regain the money lost on rollout there. I am willing to accept that Verizon should be able to decide if they want to service an area so long as their decision to not service it PRECLUDES their spending 1 cent to prevent that area from creating their own Broadband Service. IOW: If you do not want to service it, you have NO RIGHT to fight someone who does (in court or the legislature). With the amount of Bribes and Court Costs to fight Muni Systems, the Telcos would have had money left over after just servicing the area in most cases. |
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said by Ahrenl :Consider you may never get service unless your community builds it yourself. Yep, exactly why I don't want a rural home. I find broadband and connectivity essential. If that's what you desire as well, move closer to the city. Simple as that. If you're a hermit or xenophobe, sucks to be you.  |
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Tzale
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said by RR Conductor :I hate the us vs.them mentality, I really do. I hate it from the rural areas towards the cities, and I hate it from the cities toward the rural areas. As one who lives in a very rural area, I have seen and experienced first hand the cities disdain for us. We get projects approved and funding set aside, only to have cities yank them away after some whining congressman in L.A or SF cries foul "how dare those hicks ask for anything, they should be happy with what they have!". Also, as one who was born and raised in the L.A. area of SoCal, I have seen and experienced first hand the same thing from rural towards cities "let them get their own stupid water!...who would want to live in such awful, stinking places!", etc. We are all entitled to things that better our lives, and "promote the general welfare", not just those who can afford it, or who happen to live near whatever it is everybody else wants-ie.food, water, etc. Listen, I have nothing against rural areas. The thing is that telephone service, phone service, water, electricity, etc are part of a standard of living. In 2007, broadband is NOT needed to have a high standard of living. People should not expect Verizon to spend millions of dollars to provide FIOS to 10 people in a square mile that will take thousands of years to regain the money lost on rollout there.
Urban/Suburban areas are much easier to profit from since you can provide service to thousands of people for the same amount of money that it would cost to rollout to a dozen people in the sticks. Verizon is a company, not a welfare state. They are expected to turn a profit for their investors at the end of the quarter.
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Ahrenl
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{Standard Response}
You do realize that 80% of the population in this country live near the urban centers right? More people think Bush is doing a good job, than live in Rural USA. Consider you may never get service unless your community builds it yourself.
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One day we in the city will use the internet to halt all orders of toilet paper from being delivered to the ruals. Good luck with your fresh leaves MUHAHAHA  |
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My sister and brother in law have dsl at a location in a town that probably has 50-75 people. Keep on your local telco to deliver what they should!
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to DrModem
You do realize that 80% of the population in this country live near the urban centers right? More people think Bush is doing a good job, than live in Rural USA. Consider you may never get service unless your community builds it yourself. |
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said by RR Conductor :We are all entitled to things that better our lives, and "promote the general welfare", not just those who can afford it, or who happen to live near whatever it is everybody else wants-ie.food, water, etc. this is broadbandreports, not foodreports or waterreports. urban areas have better broadband options then rural areas; therefore on this website cities pwn rural. It is our obligation to flame j00 for suggesting otherwise.
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DrModem
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Ahem, moving is MORE expensive than running service out to nowhere probably.
"Just move if you don't like it" is the most idiotic and dumb suggestion I've ever heard.
I wish the rural and urban situations could be switched so I could see the urban people cry out like rural people do when they realize they have A satellite or B dialup. |
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I hate the us vs.them mentality, I really do. I hate it from the rural areas towards the cities, and I hate it from the cities toward the rural areas.
As one who lives in a very rural area, I have seen and experienced first hand the cities disdain for us. We get projects approved and funding set aside, only to have cities yank them away after some whining congressman in L.A or SF cries foul "how dare those hicks ask for anything, they should be happy with what they have!".
Also, as one who was born and raised in the L.A. area of SoCal, I have seen and experienced first hand the same thing from rural towards cities "let them get their own stupid water!...who would want to live in such awful, stinking places!", etc.
We are all entitled to things that better our lives, and "promote the general welfare", not just those who can afford it, or who happen to live near whatever it is everybody else wants-ie.food, water, etc.
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Tzale
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said by RR Conductor :said by Tzale :said by DrModem :yea. i just wish they would work on putting stuff out to people who dont have anything but dialup instead of just piling 10,000 options on people in urban areas.  Move if you don't like your options... It's a free country and Verizon is free to do as they please. They aren't the government, therefore you don't have a right to FIOS... It's a product they want to make MONEY off of. -Tzale Geez, relax!! I am relaxed.... I'm just stating the same thing for the millionth time... People in rural areas think they have a right to FIOS, it will come to you when it is profitable. Otherwise, don't expect to see it anytime soon unless you put the money out yourself or you live near an affluent person who wants to spend millions rolling fiber out to your area.
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