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00000 | much more reasonable price
i can see myself getting this version when my current series2 40 hour refurb dies or i finally get hdtv. |
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| My problem with Tivo Series 3 is that the CableCards you use are not 2-way. I use OnDemand a lot on Comcast and would not want to lose that feature. I'll stick with Moto HD-DVR box I get from Comcast and my Tivo Series 2 keeps going on the SD TV. |
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| said by pjhofmann:My problem with Tivo Series 3 is that the CableCards you use are not 2-way. I use OnDemand a lot on Comcast and would not want to lose that feature. I'll stick with Moto HD-DVR box I get from Comcast and my Tivo Series 2 keeps going on the SD TV. The cards don't need to be 2way Tivo needs hardware and Tivo hasn't gotten cable labs approval.
Plus The need to run OCAP software on the S3.
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| reply to pjhofmann
Horsepuckey. *All* CableCARDs (both single-stream *and* multi-stream) are two-way-compliant; however, except for the new STBs (and two LG HDTV models, neither of which is being offered for sale in the US yet), no CC host device is 2-way. However, you are *currently* correct about VOD; you can't watch that on a TiVo (any TiVo) until/unless they make a CableLabs-certified two-way host-box. However, whether to submit it for certification is up to TiVo; CableLabs has plainly stated they have no objections to that, so the ball is in TiVo's court. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
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| said by PGHammer: CableLabs has plainly stated they have no objections to that, so the ball is in TiVo's court. This is Cable Labs saying one thing while the contracts require something entirely different.
A device with third party software may not, by Cable Labs' fiat, communicate upstream, or even contain the hardware needed to do so. The only way a third party can build a two way box is if they build an OCAP box. That sounds great, why not make the TiVo app OCAP, you say? The third party box builder gets no say in what UI gets deployed on said OCAP box. That's completely up to the cable provider.
TiVo would have to negotiate with each cable operator to distribute TiVo's software, presumably at an extra cost to the subscriber. OCAP boxes run the cable company's interface, not the manufacturer's.
Additionally, there is no two way spec that a third party box manufacturer can build a box to be compliant with at this point. It's still vaporware. The current CC cable boxes just use the card to handle the decryption (really only the keying, AFAIK) and implement proprietary schemes to do VOD and PPV ordering.
Despite what the industry would have you believe, it's a scam. |
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| The requirement from CableLabs is what the content *owners* have insisted on (whether you like it or not, the cable industry is at the mercy of the content owners just as much as the other content-deliverers (DBS and the NAB); they cannot afford to piss them off); a similar requirement is in place for computers (HDCP was originally intended to prevent casual piracy of content received on IT devices in general, and PCs in particular).
As far as OCAP middleware goes, there are three competing software proposals (one each from Motorola/Gemstar, Cisco, and a completely independent solution from the GuideWorks JV between Gemstar, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable). While OCAP-compliant devices at the endpoints have been developed and fielded, the middle of the content delivery path is still mostly proprietary, and replacing it is not cheap. All that proprietary middle-end hardware is being replaced by the cable companies in the course of normal operations (because it is too darn expensive to do so otherwise, especially with the unplanned expense of having to change STBs forced on most providers by the FCC).
The current separate-security STBs (from all the major providers) are compatible with both OCAP and their own proprietary schemes (so far, this is true of Motorola, S-A, and Pace), so there *is* apparently a standard for the endpoint devices. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
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| The content owners have no horse in this race. With copy protection and features like TiVoToGo, they do. The content owners don't care whether boxes come with TiVo's software or whether the cable company forces you to use whatever UI they feel like distributing. |
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