cwy1980
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Re: My opinion?
If you are so wound up about the way things are here in the States, go somewhere else.
Cheers...
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surrrfur
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I'll second that. Congress needs to start taking care of business and especially those items mentioned, and then worry about broadband. |
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PAB
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Jobs, housing, healthcare. All delivered via broadband. New legislation is important for a free and open internet. |
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Axekick
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said by ColorBASIC  :Is Sen. Turbin has a lot more to worry about in Washington than broadband. How about the War? How about excessive spending? Excessive taxes? So-So Security? Iran? Illegal immigration? Jobs? Energy? Terrorism? Education? Inflation? Housing market? Crime? Healthcare? Tort reform? The Sen. has far more important issues to deal with. It's no wonder that Congress' approval ratings are at a record low. Along with abortion those are issues they usually discuss when they are in the 'kill time' mode. I prefer they discuss something realistic rather than a dog and pony show of which they all know nothing productive will get accomplished. |
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Chivalry
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Well said, KM. I have to admit that I've never been so ashamed of my government in my entire life.
Eventually, things will look up. We'll be able to put food on our families, human beings and fish kind will be able to coexist peacefully, and we'll finally solve the nation's energy problems by enacting an energy bill that encourages consumption. |
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ColorBASIC
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Costs too much. And it's not about putting employers in jail...the threat alone will have employers (and others) not wanting to risk it.
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Karl Bode
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Folks, I think we can continue talking about this without references to idiocy (several are made by different posters).... |
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Ahrenl
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Your ignorance makes your few good points laughable.. Please stop, my sides hurt.. |
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Ahrenl
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Wouldn't it just be easier to throw them in jail? Now you've taken 12m and multiplied it by everyone who deals with them. So that's 60m new prisoners. Maybe Mexico will let us build prisons there. |
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KoolMoe
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"Best economies ever" completely depends on how you look at it, as you know. Sure, some things look pretty good - record stock market highs, less-than-expected inflation (in some sectors) - on the surface. But you KNOW that the debt we're incurring is not anything close to a 'best economy ever'. And maybe you're making great money, but I know quite a few struggling folks (and not because they buy Big TVs).
As far as Iraq, I know it's pointless to be realistic with a cheerleader, but it's almost impossible NOT to show some sort of progress in Iraq considering the depths to which our progress has sunk.
Heck, I got an 'D' in high school physics my first semester. But when I got a 'D+' the next semester, I was making actual progress!
I'm sure there are positive things happening in Iraq but I think it's pretty evident and plain, despite blind hope, that our efforts there have been horribly managed and are much closer to 'failure' than 'success'.
Republicans, before their majority was tossed-out (why?), said Americans wanted Social Security reform...but they couldn't get it done. Why not?
Democrats do not have a veto-proof majority, just as the Republicans did not...and again, you know this.
I'm not quite sure why people think there is still any sort of majority support for this administration and it's handling of Iraq. How badly do things have to get before their pure incompetence is understood? *Regardless* of whether it was right or wrong to 'liberate' in the first place, this administration has to be the worst bunch of managers ever.
I agree, Congress should be able to 'de-fund' the war. The President should face reality and work with them before it even comes to that. But politics again trumps actual reason and support of our country and its people.
Rather shameful...just like the posturing and postings in this forums, like yours, that mislead and misconstrue the true issues.
KM
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pnh102
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said by KoolMoe :You know very well why - because the Republicans fire-up their excellent PR machine ... Are you serious? We have one of the best economies ever and actual progress is being made in Iraq, yet we keep hearing we are practically in a depression and Americans are being killed on the streets of Baghdad by the millions.
said by KoolMoe :So, yeah, it's ultimately the Democrats lack of cohones for bowing under such political pressure ... Sure it is. HRH Pelosi keeps reminding us that Congress represents the "will of the people." Surely if so many people want the war de-funded, Congress would have been able to do it, with a veto-proof majority no less.
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jc100
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1) What is wrong with testing? How else would we know schools were failing if testing wasn't done? Should we stop testing?
A lot. It assumes ALL KIDS learn the same thing. Teachers are stuck teaching to tests instead of educating kids. Standardized tests DO NOT PROVE anything. They can prove a kid can fill in the blank. Most tests do not allow for students to show what they know. Furthermore, every student learns differently and every situation. Not all schools are equal in finances. Have you ever considered that MOST inner city schools have LARGER class sizes, suffer from teacher shortages, and receive less money due to poverty? People in the inner city own houses of less value, which mean less property tax. Hence, take all these factors and combine it with the ONE STANDARD never fits all. You got your answer. I am still waiting how when you got to the doctor, he assigns you a drug without talking to you. You got this illness. X drug works for all. Tough. It's the one size fits all. NEVER WORKS.
2) You can blame lots of other people in addition to the teachers. School choice will allow for the parents who want their children to learn to attend good schools.
School choice DOES NOT work. It's those same parents who want their kids to get a better education but fail to work with them that will be moving. Not to mention, its SOCIALIZATION. Remember Mr. Republican, WHY SHOULD MY TAXES pay for your kid to go elsewhere. NO NO. See, you don't want that now do you? Moving a kid from X city to another means residents in X city are PAYING the cost for YOUR KID to go elsewhere via city tax dollars and government tax dollar subsidies. NOPE dont work. Not to mention, its shifting one problem to another area, but I dont even have to argue that.
3) You do know that phones were not as ubiquitous in 1900 as they are today, right? You also do know that some of the medical treatments that extend life today were also not present in 1900. Of course you did, after all, you speak from experience.
Phones were invented in 1900. However, I AM NOT arguing 911. I am arguing EMERGENCY SERVICES, which are subsidized by the federal government and city dollars. Remove the federal aid, and you are left with ONLY city dollars. If the city runs out of money, YOU DONT get FIRE, EMS, OR POLICE. The minute another city, state, or fed steps in, you are being subsidized. MY ARGUMENT stands. Who cares about phones, I'M arguing access to services... So ya, people in 1900 lived to 47. I guess people in cities that can't afford to fund Emeregency works on CITY DOLLARS only can live to 47 too.....
4) If you really want to debate with me how the lending process works, go learn about it first. My statement is an accurate simplification of how most banks lend money.
I know how loans work. Banks GET their money from customers who have bank accounts, credit cards, and other such entities. The FED INSURES customers money but does not stock banks with unlimited currency. They earn their money, like any other business off customers. NO matter how you look at it, YOU are being subsidized by either the federal government or customers to make purchases YOU CANNOT afford. If you default, the federal government (which is ALL tax payers) SUFFER. Not to mention, you are being given a chance to buy the item in the first place. Captain obvious, WE the people make the fed.... so they print the money, and we in turn put it back into circulation.. SHEESH
5) Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, known as the Commerce Clause, reads as follows:"The Congress shall have Power ...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
Interstate Commerce. OK. So that pertains ONLY to trade. NOT LOCAL food inspections. Food sold within a state would NOT be covered under interstate commerce AS LONG as it didn't leave that state. My point STANDS. The people in ANY GIVEN state should not expect to use the FDA resources if they are a republican. Once again, unless that food is traded, its not INTERSTATE....
Not to mention, you seem to have dropped your argument about the fed subsidizing the Highways in the 1950s... |
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KoolMoe
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You know very well why - because the Republicans fire-up their excellent PR machine - which the 'liberally-biased' news media parrots - that Democrats are chickening-out, retreating, helping the terrorists, and don't support our troops.
So, yeah, it's ultimately the Democrats lack of cohones for bowing under such political pressure, but it's not like it's as simple as 'just cut off funding' when the opposition effectively demonizes the move politically.
KM
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pnh102
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said by jc100 :Funny.. Because before the DOE, schools were funded by the cities on the Prarie. This same money probably had kick backs from the state, but I'm not sure. The reason schools weren't failing back then, THEY WEREN'T Mandatory and they didn't have state testing. State testing is a new thing that uses a STANDARDIZED test to check how all students are doing. Standardized tests are a joke. What is wrong with testing? How else would we know schools were failing if testing wasn't done? Should we stop testing?
said by jc100 :Not to mention, you CAN'T blame teachers that inner cities are failing. You can blame lots of other people in addition to the teachers. School choice will allow for the parents who want their children to learn to attend good schools.
said by jc100 :Have you ever been in the classroom before. NOPE. You speak from ignorance I speak from EXPERIENCE. I would dare say that yes, I have been in a classroom before.
said by jc100 :Nope they DIED... Life expectancy in 1900 was 47 yrs old. You do know that phones were not as ubiquitous in 1900 as they are today, right? You also do know that some of the medical treatments that extend life today were also not present in 1900. Of course you did, after all, you speak from experience.
said by jc100 :Boy you are ignorant. The federal government PRINTS the money. If you really want to debate with me how the lending process works, go learn about it first. My statement is an accurate simplification of how most banks lend money.
said by jc100 :FDA has nothing to do with interstate commerce in a direct sense. IT IS A FEDERAL program setup to check food safety but is not MANDATED. So you're saying the Feds cannot regulate the safety of food and drugs shipped across state lines? And where do you get off saying the FDA isn't "mandated?"
said by jc100 :By the way, Interstate commerce isn't in the Constitution. The ONLY THING the federal government was suppose to do is Defend. Go read it. Surely you jest.
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Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, known as the Commerce Clause, reads as follows:"The Congress shall have Power ...To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes."
Considering you missed this part of the Constitution, there really isn't much point in replying to the rest of the diarrhea you posted.
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jc100
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And yet, too many public schools in this country are not making the grade. We are always told they need more money, and we now spend more on education than any other country on this planet, but we don't get anything for it. Oddly enough, this became more of a problem after the Department of Education was instituted at the federal level.
Funny.. Because before the DOE, schools were funded by the cities on the Prarie. This same money probably had kick backs from the state, but I'm not sure. The reason schools weren't failing back then, THEY WEREN'T Mandatory and they didn't have state testing. State testing is a new thing that uses a STANDARDIZED test to check how all students are doing. Standardized tests are a joke. When have you ever gone for medical care and your doctor given you ONE TREATMENT for everything. Standardization doesn't work. Every kid learns different. Not to mention, you CAN'T blame teachers that inner cities are failing. Have you ever been in the classroom before. NOPE. You speak from ignorance I speak from EXPERIENCE. Inner city schools are filled with lots of parents who don't work with their kids and drop them off at school as a babysitting service. A teacher can only do so much with 30 different individuals to control. Obviously, you don't see that. So when these kids misbehave, 29 others have to be ignored to deal with 1 person. Class sizes are larger, behavior is much worse, etc. The list goes on. See ignorance is bliss in your case. It's not the tax teachers failing their kids. It's the parents. Most white districts do not have this same problem. Yet, Bush and his No child left behind seems to think blaming teachers for the failures of society will go far. HAH.
2) People managed to survive prior to 911.
Nope they DIED... Life expectancy in 1900 was 47 yrs old.
3) Wrong. While the Federal Reserve might "create" money that banks ultimately lend, this doesn't come from tax dollars. The borrowers always pay back the costs, with significant interest.
Boy you are ignorant. The federal government PRINTS the money. Yet, it only goes back to banks after it is collected from tax payers in the form of TAX DOLLARS. The federal reserve only prints new money and gives it to the banks AFTER they return money. If the federal government PAID for banks to stay open, NONE would ever go out of business. Hate to break it to you, they rely off customer dollars to stay open. They INVEST your money to maintain profit. If they don't, they have no way to pay their bills. Hence, banks work off customers having accounts and other services. As a result, if it weren't for customers, they WOULDN'T have sufficient funds to LEND others. By borrowing, you are BEING SUBSIDIZED by their customers to buy items you otherwise could not afford... Knowing is HALF the battle
4) FDA has nothing to do with interstate commerce in a direct sense. IT IS A FEDERAL program setup to check food safety but is not MANDATED. There was no FDA int he early 1900s. Funny. Now there is. It's still paid for and SOCIALIZED by tax dollars. No matter how you slice it. By the way, Interstate commerce isn't in the Constitution. The ONLY THING the federal government was suppose to do is Defend. Go read it.
5)Highway money comes from gas taxes. If they were not collected at the Federal level, they'd simply raise those at the state level. I would prefer it that way, as we would actually be paying for roads we drive on instead of bridges to nowhere in Alaska.
HAHAHAHHAHA... Really? So those highways built in the 1950s weren't a federal program. GOD D*MN man you surely have taken the cake on failing American History. |
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ColorBASIC
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You are typical of why Congress' numbers are lower than the dopey President's and why things will not change. One-issue idiots control both parties. |
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pnh102
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said by ColorBASIC :Is Sen. Turbin has a lot more to worry about in Washington than broadband. Don't tell him that, he might compare you to the Nazis, Stalin and Pol Pot.
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pnh102
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said by Paladin :There are plenty of qualified people on both sides of the aisle. It doesn't work that way. When Bush became president he made the mistake of retaining many people who had been appointed by Clinton. We now have one of the most dysfunctional federal governments in modern history as a result.
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pnh102
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said by Ahrenl :Congress's approval ratings are at record lows because they were largely elected to stop a war, that they have no power to stop (short of a double impeachment, that would be completed just before the two clowns leave office anyway). The Democrat party only won Congress because many idiot "conservatives" decided to stay home during the last election. On the other hand, Democrats always come out to vote in droves because they need all the money the government provides to them.
Congress could stop the war tomorrow if it wanted to. All it needs to do is defund the war. While this might be hard in the Senate, it would be trivially easy to do in the House. If Congress is supposed to end the war, why hasn't the House at least cut off funding for it?
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pnh102
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said by jc100 :1) Send their kids to school. And yet, too many public schools in this country are not making the grade. We are always told they need more money, and we now spend more on education than any other country on this planet, but we don't get anything for it. Oddly enough, this became more of a problem after the Department of Education was instituted at the federal level.
said by jc100 :2) Use Emergency services. People managed to survive prior to 911.
said by jc100 :3) Borrow from a bank. Wrong. While the Federal Reserve might "create" money that banks ultimately lend, this doesn't come from tax dollars. The borrowers always pay back the costs, with significant interest.
said by jc100 :4) Eat safe food. ... Once again, has nothing to do with defense. But it has everything to do with interstate commerce, go figure.
said by jc100 :5) Drive on Highways. Highway money comes from gas taxes. If they were not collected at the Federal level, they'd simply raise those at the state level. I would prefer it that way, as we would actually be paying for roads we drive on instead of bridges to nowhere in Alaska.
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