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dmolavi
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my correspondance w/ Lisa Bickford

My email:
Lisa-
I am in possession of an Innomedia and Linksys "Gizmo" device from Sunrocket which I wish to take to another provider. However, it seems as though the administrative access password was changed in the past week, since Sunrocket announced it's closure, either by Teleblend or by Sunrocket. As Sunrocket no longer exists as a viable corporate entity, I am formally requesting the administrative passwords to the Linksys and Innomedia devices. (Teleblend must have them, in order to reprovision them for updated SIP credentials, etc)

Thank you,
DM
Her response:
We have not changed anything on customer devices, nor do we have the “administrative passwords” to any devices. All devices are pointing to standard registration servers which point devices by MAC address to our network. If that information was not previously provided to you by SunRocket then I’m afraid the information is lost to us since SunRocket is out of business.

You may find that either Linksys or Innomedia may be able to tell you how to do a “factory reset” of the device to restore it to whatever the factory default configuration is, but we will not support devices that have been restored to default settings.

Thank you for your inquiry.

Lisa

Lisa Bickford
Teleblend
email: lbickford@teleblend.com
voice: 209.320.4309
fax: 209.320.4392
something's rotten in denmark. somebody, somewhere, changed the passwords on sunrocket users...
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dmolavi
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my response to her response:

Lisa-
I appreciate your reponse, however, something isn't settling right with me about this...

Many, many users on the DSLReports forums have reported that, seemingly overnight, the "Gizmo" has been reconfigured, and the old, known, administrative passwords are no longer in effect.

If Teleblend has, as stated on your website, acquired the old Sunrocket network, and presumably the provisioning hardware, as implied by this entry on your FAQ:
Do I have to change my hardware to use your service?
You don’t have to change a thing, just go to our website »www.myteleblend.net , sign up your telephone number and your service will continue as normal

You should have the ability to determine and disseminate the passwords to the users who wish to move to another provider. You would not be able to reprovision any Gizmos without this information.

I own my Gizmo, it is not, nor was it ever, Sunrocket property. As an end user, I should have the right and ability to take a piece of equipment I paid for and use it with another VoIP company.

If Teleblend is knowingly withholding this information, it is extremely bad PR and very anti-competitive, neither of which are good for a fledgling VoIP provider in today's unstable times (in the month of July, 2 providers have shuttered).

Please converse with your technical team and have them locate this information. It would make 200,000+ people very happy.

Thank you,
DM
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netscooby

join:2007-07-22
Raleigh, NC

reply to dmolavi
Just an FYI on resetting the Innomedia gizmo after it has been bricked. First, you seem to have a software option on your blog.

However, I highly suspect there is a hardware reset. There is a little pinhole in the back of the unit. I am guessing if you push a pin in this and hold for about 5-10 seconds while powering up, this will do a factory reset. I've seen this work on other pieces of hardware before.

I have not tried this yet, since my sunrocket service is still working and I'm waiting on my new provider (VT). If anybody wishes to try, please report back here.


burris
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reply to dmolavi
The plot thickens.


dmolavi
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maybe if i bug her enough, she'll give them to me just to shut me the hell up


global_dev

join:2005-09-23
Woodbridge, VA
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reply to netscooby
i opened up the innomedia gizmo just to take a look.

There is actually a second button (in addition to the reset) as well as what looks like a jtag connection.

The second button is the same size as the reset however it faces upwards off the board (reset faces to the rear on its side in the back) in the front right corner.

anyone know what it does?

just4info

join:2001-11-13
Rockville, MD

reply to dmolavi
Admin password does not seem to be required for provisioning (and setting sip credentials). That is why a lot of people found overnight they no longer were able to gain access even though they changed admin password. It happened to me as well.

I also factory reset the gizmo (to gain admin access with default password slapshot). After the reset, I filled in the sip proxy information and I was able to receive calls but not making calls (fast busy as everyone has reported).

I turned on provisioning, and waited a while (not sure how long, but definitely in an hour), I was able to make calls too. However, I lost admin access again just like everyone else.


dmolavi
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said by just4info See Profile :

I turned on provisioning, and waited a while (not sure how long, but definitely in an hour), I was able to make calls too. However, I lost admin access again just like everyone else.
which means that they have the new admin password.
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dmolavi
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reply to dmolavi
maybe we need to buy her a clue as to how VoIP operations are run:

As I told you previously, we do not have and never had have passwords for the Linksys or Innomedia devices. They come pre-configured from LinkSys and Innomedia and all we do is accept the MAC code from the device into our system. We are not willingingly withholding anything. As I stated before, we DO NOT have passwords for these devices and we HAVE NOT changed passwords on any devices.

Thank you.

Lisa Bickford
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ellud

join:2001-11-10
Antioch, IL

said by dmolavi See Profile :

maybe we need to buy her a clue as to how VoIP operations are run:

As I told you previously, we do not have and never had have passwords for the Linksys or Innomedia devices. They come pre-configured from LinkSys and Innomedia and all we do is accept the MAC code from the device into our system. We are not willingingly withholding anything. As I stated before, we DO NOT have passwords for these devices and we HAVE NOT changed passwords on any devices.

Thank you.

Lisa Bickford
Such BS. How do the Gizmos know which MAC they're supposed to talk to then?


dmolavi
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um, no.

what she means is that all that SR/TB does is look at the MAC address on the Gizmo, and enter it in w/ your account information. though the actual authentication is done via the SIP credentials, the MAC address is there to ensure that you're using the Gizmo that was assigned to you (I have multiple gizmos, and got called on it by SR when my gizmo tried to grab a FW update).

anyway, I'm thinking of sending the following reply to her. should i?
Lisa,
Thanks again for your reply. Please clarify one point for me (and the thousands of users on DSLReports.com):

If you don't have the administrative passwords to the devices, how are the administrative passwords being changed? These devices don't "phone home" to Linksys or Innomedia (who have already stated that Sunrocket set the passwords). They are configured to only talk to Sunrocket servers, which are now your servers. The administrative password cannot be changed without first logging in via the administrative password.

If there is some other way in which this change can be made (ie, a telnet backdoor, blank password, etc), please let us know
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dentman42

join:2001-10-02
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said by dmolavi See Profile :

um, no.

what she means is that all that SR/TB does is look at the MAC address on the Gizmo, and enter it in w/ your account information. though the actual authentication is done via the SIP credentials, the MAC address is there to ensure that you're using the Gizmo that was assigned to you (I have multiple gizmos, and got called on it by SR when my gizmo tried to grab a FW update).

anyway, I'm thinking of sending the following reply to her. should i?
Lisa,
Thanks again for your reply. Please clarify one point for me (and the thousands of users on DSLReports.com):

If you don't have the administrative passwords to the devices, how are the administrative passwords being changed? These devices don't "phone home" to Linksys or Innomedia (who have already stated that Sunrocket set the passwords). They are configured to only talk to Sunrocket servers, which are now your servers. The administrative password cannot be changed without first logging in via the administrative password.

If there is some other way in which this change can be made (ie, a telnet backdoor, blank password, etc), please let us know
I dunno. You might fry her brain using a technical term like "telnet".

Maybe they've hired some of the ex-SR techs and have no clue how the techs work their magic.

Maybe (not likely) somebody at SR left a suicide script behind to change passwords if it wasn't cancelled by a certain date.

Have the people who signed up for TB early on found their admin passwords changed also?


dmolavi
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reply to dmolavi
I replied with this:
Lisa,
Thanks again for your reply. Please clarify one point for me (and the thousands of users on DSLReports.com):

If you don't have the administrative passwords to the devices, how are the administrative passwords being changed? These devices don't "phone home" to Linksys or Innomedia (who have already stated that Sunrocket set the passwords). They are configured to only talk to Sunrocket servers, which are now your servers. The administrative password cannot be changed without first logging in via the administrative password.

If there is some other way in which this change can be made (ie, a telnet backdoor, blank password, etc), please let us know.

Again, there are many users out there with this question. An example, from »Answering your questions on TeleBlend :

"If they really want to be helpful, they should tell their PR person to stop telling us that Teleblend doesn't know the passwords to our devices. They were changed on Friday, well after Teleblend was claiming they had nothing to do with SR... and yet, miraculously, TB still has access to our ATA's.

All they are doing is making me really, really, mad, since they are basically stealing all I have left after being cheated by SR. And I will look for any way to get back the funds I will have to spend to get a new ATA. Since I have signed no agreement with them, I'm not bound by any arbitration provisions or jurisdiction mandates. They stole my ATA in Virginia, so I hope they are prepared to go to Small Claims Court in VA.

The fact that they have to steal our ATA's demonstrates that they don't even believe their service is the best option. TB should minimize the bad feelings and do the right thing by giving us our passwords back. It would also show their openness and honesty, which might get them some loyalty from SR customers who want the easiest transition. (I can guarantee that with how mad I am now at TB I would NEVER go with them.)"

(This was not posted by me, but by another user, in response to a solication from either a Teleblend employee or contractor).

I can understand your frustration with this, but you need to understand ours (the users). We wake up one morning with NO service, and then *poof* a new company appears with the same tech support phone number as Sunrocket (1-877-252-4549, which shows up in the Google Cache of the page from 19 July, but seems to have been changed to a non-functional 1-877-252-4548 now), the same "Got Vonage" badge on the front page, a website who's SSL cert was repeatedly rejected by browsers and seems to be catering solely to Sunrocket refugees, and PR written by someone living back in 1958 ("Teleblend is a privately held, privately funded, profitable Voice-Over-IP phone service provider offering service in all 48 states." from »https://www.myteleblend.net/documents/Te···1907.pdf - I know what was intended, but this doesn't help your credibility).

Please step out of your shoes as CxO of a VoIP provider, and into any one of the 200,000+ pairs of shoes from those who were left high and dry when Sunrocket unceremoniously shut down. For all the reasons, and more, listed in the above paragraph, TeleBlend is fighting an uphill battle when it comes to trust and credibility in the VoIP world right now.

I invite you to join the discussions at DSLReports to help clear the air; it would be welcomed by everyone who is a participant there.
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cebert

join:2006-03-14
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reply to dmolavi
Above she stated that they do not have any passcodes, but that contradicts what she is saying in a previous email here »gandhi.wordpress.com where she says, "We do reconfigure the devices to point to our registration server but we have no lock codes other than the factory admin password."

Isn't the factory admin password what we need to unlock these Gizmos?


dmolavi
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said by cebert See Profile :

Above she stated that they do not have any passcodes, but that contradicts what she is saying in a previous email here »gandhi.wordpress.com where she says, "We do reconfigure the devices to point to our registration server but we have no lock codes other than the factory admin password."

Isn't the factory admin password what we need to unlock these Gizmos?
only if we do a factory reset. SR could have changed the password to something else.

OR

if the factory password is a "god" password that supercedes everything else.
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B
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reply to dmolavi
Great letter, dmolavi.

I think it's become clear that Lisa is well-meaning but over her head a little bit.

I think it's now up to SunrocketBL's "Answers" thread as the best hope for real answers to some of these issues. (Assuming it doesn't implode first.) I gather he may be reporting to people above her, or at least has different skill sets available to him.

I would add that in talking about gizmos and lock codes it's best to clarify which model we're talking about. As far as I know it's only the Linksys that's tough to crack? (Or did they lock up the Innos and AC211's too?)

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dmolavi
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I think both the Linksys and Innomedia are locked with new passwords.

B
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Does the restore2.ssi trick no longer work on the Innos? That's what I used months ago after upgrading my firmware and in order to get my credentials.

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dmolavi
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can you PM me this trick? i haven't heard of it..

B
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Dude, it's on your blog.

»gizmopasswords.blogspot.com/2007···his.html

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