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Re: My opinion? said by Ahrenl:People (especially those with large amount of staffers) can do more than one (or several) thing(s) at a time. Congress's approval ratings are at record lows because they were largely elected to stop a war, that they have no power to stop (short of a double impeachment, that would be completed just before the two clowns leave office anyway). Also the majority parties have a smaller margin than ever, so anything remotely partisan (like reversing anything done in the last decade) will be deadlocked. War? - Executive power Spending? - Deadlocked Taxes? - Lowest they've been during war time EVER. so umm. Security? - Deadlocked Iran? - Executive power Immigration? - Deadlocked Jobs? - 6% used to be considered min unemployment, we're at 4.5% Energy? - Deadlocked Terrorism? - See war and security Education? - Well, they're going to make it more expensive to get a loan through the FFELP program soon. Inflation? - Except for Food & Energy, at all time lows. Housing? - Actually things have now been tightened down pretty well thanks to congressional hearing with the federal agencies that had the regulatory power already. That's not going to save all the people that didn't read what they were getting, lied about their income, or where duped by a mortgage broker (who aren't regulated, on a state by state basis); nor should it. Otherwise they'll be rewarding excessive risk taking. Crime? - National average are still pretty darn low. Healthcare? - No good solution, yet. Tort Reform? - Yikes.. To be more specific, the reason immigration is deadlocked is because the general public raised holy you know what over the immigration bill once it was obvious what was in it. All the Democrats need to do to pass that bill is vote as a party in the House and Senate and it passes (Bush said he would sign bill). But the Democrats can't even do that, because they were threatened to be voted out of office (so were Republicans who wanted to vote for it).
This is the first time I can remember ever seeing the public uproar in such masses that senators and congressman/woman backed down, knowing there would be you know what to pay election time. |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | IT seems to me it was raised by the vocal minority, as usual.
The only thing I heard was some politico speak about amnesty, which refuses to come to grips with the fact that there's no possible way to deport 12,000,000 people, especially when you don't even know where they are. If you can't deport them, you can either criminalize them, or legalize them, those are your only two choices. I believe there are ~2,000,000 institutional criminals in the U.S. as of the last census, so that would be increasing that number by 6 TIMES. Considering we can't even issue a passport to a regular citizen within a 3 month window, I think they're here to stay.
The best solution I've heard is to create something like the French Foreign Legion, where you can serve in the army for X number of years (with other immigrants) to gain your citizenship. We have 160,000 troops in Iraq. Imagine if we could send a couple million Legionaries over.. Two problems solved. They'd come back hero's and citizens, with a citizenship they'd have earned. |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Ahrenl:The only thing I heard was some politico speak about amnesty, which refuses to come to grips with the fact that there's no possible way to deport 12,000,000 people, especially when you don't even know where they are. LOL funny. If this was any other criminal problem, say rampant murder or child abuse, politicians would be having a group orgy to figure out how to solve it. The pols who throw out the "we can't deport them all" tripe are simply saying they are for amnesty without using so many words.
12 million people cannot be deported overnight, but they can be still be deported.
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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | It's easy to deport them. You simply put in prison any employer who hires them, any gov't worker who helps them, any officer of a corporation extending them credit and any landlord who rents to them. All non-emergency aid to an illegal should be a felony.
They'll go home tomorrow when they have no job, no free money, and no place to live.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to ColorBASIC
Wouldn't it just be easier to throw them in jail? Now you've taken 12m and multiplied it by everyone who deals with them. So that's 60m new prisoners. Maybe Mexico will let us build prisons there. |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | Costs too much. And it's not about putting employers in jail...the threat alone will have employers (and others) not wanting to risk it.
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