cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX | reply to Answer Guy
Re: The numbers they don't want to talk about... I think he means FTTC meaning the coppers loops are 1k feet or less. FTTN would have loops up to 5k. |
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Glad to see you were unbaned/rembered your password and was able to login and drop some more at&t bashing we all were starting to worry if the comcast check had stopped comming in for all the work your doing for them. |
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FTTC isn't set at 5kft. It's short loop well under 1kft generally 200-400ft. MX DISCS allows for roughly a gig to each ped and VDSL2 allows for up to 200Mb/s to each sub. |
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 PaladinSage of the light
join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL | reply to Rick
I'd pay for your plane ticket from New York to San Antonio.  |
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1 edit | said by Paladin:I'd pay for your plane ticket from New York to San Antonio. Why pay for the plane ticket, have comcast pay for it, right Rick  ? See then there's more numbers comcast nor rick will talk about!! |
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said by bogey780:Your logic is totally insane. Yea that's one way of putting it. He would be better off just posting sales ads instead.
said by bogey780:That'd be like saying the 400k subs for Fios proves it's a failure considering the large sums of money spent and the fact the sevice is about to enter its third year. After all... if Harry Potter was out for 3 years and only 400k had seen it then that would be a disaster. Well there's a disaster alright, actually there would be two disasters.
1.) letting Rick run at&t into the ground so comcast could buy it.
2.) letting Rick post here all day, shilling for comcast and we didn't keep the password away from him long enough this time.
well damn we let one disaster get by didn't we. Shame on us 
said by bogey780:Look, do us all a favor and spend all your money shorting T. If you're right you'll make millions. I look forward to you putting your money where your mouth is. He can't at only $50 a day it's either eat or not  . All them other bills have to be paid. Only difference between a tele-marketer and Rick is we don't get to hear him on the phone and there are laws that allow them not to call you any more! Otherwise there is really not much difference paywise or garbage spewing wise! |
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Who cares about your theoretical fru fru, the fact of the matter is AT&T can't deliver anything past 6 Mbps internet and 1 HD stream thus far. Also 1 million Fios subscribers is pretty damn good compared to the 400,000 TV subscribers you quoted. I wonder how many uverse customers actually use all the services then we can actually compare it to Verizon.
Verizon make progress everyday.
AT&T take two steps forwards and three steps back. |
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| Well way to prove yourself an ignorant ass.
"Can't" and "won't" are two different horses. Go back to school and slap your teacher for shortchanging you. AT&T has FTTP in some communities, do they sell them the speed that platform is capable of? No. AT&T has VDSL capable lines that can fully support 100Mb/s to the customer. Do they sell them that? No. These are't "theoretical" speeds.
Bitch about cherrypicking one day then moan when they don't. Make up your damn mind.
And if you don't like my attitude then don't open your post up with an arrogant dissmissive tone. |
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2 edits | I might be the ignorant ass, but I belong to the group of people that talk about what is actually happening in the real world, not what could be happening when Venus aligns with Earth and copper ceases to have limitations.
Cherrypicking has nothing to do with this, but that is besides the point since I never bitch about cherry picking. No I laugh at the utter futility of those who do. The facts remain though, AT&T isn't cherry picking. Cherry picking is when you pick areas based on profitibality. AT&T is losing POTS customers left and right so any place where they build out is a winning situation for them. They don't have the priviledge of cherry picking since they are saving a sinking ship. Oh and don't quote the stock prices either, most of the investors that cause these short term shifts are lucky or most of the time unlucky fools who don't know anything about the actual business AND they are riding the iphone profit wave AND the general tendency of any non failing (extreme use of the word) company in the stock market is to rise in value. Oh and you still haven't provided a link for that 2Gbps claim you made earlier. There is also the little matter of how you misquoted the TOTAL number of Fios customers at only 40% of what it should be.
My tone was arrogant and dismissive because you aren't talking about what AT&T is actually doing which is what this thread is about. You jumped on one small fact to prove how successful the mighty uverse campaign is when it is really just a sham. Oh btw if they have 100 Mbps already possible to every home then why are they struggling so much getting that second 9Mbps (in reality it is probably less) HD stream going? I also doubt they would let Comcast whip their asses speed wise if they had the resources. Alot of questions and too many theoretical answers. |
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| You said that VDSL or VDSL2 on a FTTC platform could not achieve high speeds except under extraordinary conditions. What you believe is simply not true.
The specs are capable of what they were engineered for. |
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1 edit | Hey man I didn't want to come off as sounding rude, but I read the wiki for both VDSLs and even VDSL2 can't reach more than 50 Mbps at 4000 feet (overestimate) so I still don't see how AT&T can do it. Besides I thought AT&T was rolling out VDSL? After seeing those speeds though I must say for highly urban areas Verizon was foolish to not go the IPTV and VDSL2 route. |
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| That's why I specified Fiber to the Curb. AT&T's main focus is on FTTN but like I said, it's not the sole thrust. In some areas there is FTTC. The new FTTC and FTTP greenbuilds won't need to be overhauled several years down the line because they have the scalability to meet the demands for speed. And there is quite a bit of FTTC that can be upgraded for it.
And yes, Verizon did look into doing FTTC into MDU's and then lay a VDSL or VDSL2 line into the apartment. They shyed away from it though as they have no IPTV platform and building one would have been even more expensive.
Sorry for my mean response as well. |
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