 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T DSL Service
1 edit | This is what I've wondered about previously... ... That if Internet access starts separating out into "Tiers" where you "Pay more for Premium whatever tier" that what actually happens is regular tiers degrade or are overloaded and become useless so in fact you end up having to buy premium tiers just to receive acceptable levels of performance....
IE basically massive price hikes in disguise as "Choices".
In many ways this parallels the Net Neutrality debate.
With broadband, you should get good pings most of the time, period. You shouldn't have to pay extra just to get what used to be standard.
With most people who have broadband, it's not like they can "just switch ISP's" if their local incumbent starts pulling this crap, either. |
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| Seems the ISPs are going to push their anti-net neutrality agenda one way or another. 
Want to play online games? Pay up.  |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by moonpuppy:Want to play online games? Pay up. What they forget is that gaming is one of the reasons people choose which broadband provider or speed package to buy. This negates that. |
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 deadiPremium
join:2001-08-26
Perry, OH
·Windstream
| Ya, but most of us have no or limited choice what ISP service to purchase. Really, what ISP is not going to do something like this? The almighty dollar and greed take over here, they will all do it if the opportunity comes about.
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said by KrK:said by moonpuppy:Want to play online games? Pay up. What they forget is that gaming is one of the reasons people choose which broadband provider or speed package to buy. This negates that. Very true.
I have said many times, there are few reasons to get high speed and the few reasons are being added on as extra charges or excuses to cancel people. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Now you city slickers know what it's like ... 160 ms? Heck, I'd kill for that. It's about ten times that on a satellite connection.
Don't like it, and Charter is your only broadband choice? Well do what you guys are always telling us rural folk to do: move.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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1 edit | reply to moonpuppy
Re: This is what I've wondered about previously... said by moonpuppy:Seems the ISPs are going to push their anti-net neutrality agenda one way or another. Want to play online games? Pay up. Good to see your still here..
Mr. Screw the public.
It's a SCUM Bag move on their part.
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 CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:said by KrK:said by moonpuppy:Want to play online games? Pay up. What they forget is that gaming is one of the reasons people choose which broadband provider or speed package to buy. This negates that. Very true. I have said many times, there are few reasons to get high speed and the few reasons are being added on as extra charges or excuses to cancel people. There are few reasons? There are new reasons each and everyday for high speed  |
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Re: Now you city slickers know what it's like ... Well said. |
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Re: This is what I've wondered about previously... said by packetscan:said by moonpuppy:Seems the ISPs are going to push their anti-net neutrality agenda one way or another. Want to play online games? Pay up. Good to see your still here.. Mr. Screw the public. It's a SCUM Bag move on their part. Look at the smilies.
If you still don't get it, I AM AGREEING IT IS A SCUMBAG MOVE!
Guess you weren't around during the days when the phone company wanted to charge people extra to have a "computer" grade telephone line for their 2400 baud modems. I remember when cable modems were some sort of fad and DSL was some idea brought about this new thing called the Internet. Internet in a Box was being sold for $100 and most had no idea what it was for.
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said by Cheese:There are few reasons? There are new reasons each and everyday for high speed Most of the reasons for HSI are for large amounts of data. This will include streaming video, audio, VOIP, etc.
Now, look at some of the threads concerning caps (especially Comcast.) With the incredible amounts of data being pushed, ISPs are crying over how much is too much and getting rid of bandwidth hogs.
If all they want you to do is surf a bit and check email, then what does HSI buy you over dial up? Right now, in my area, Comcast and Verizon FIOS (not DSL), cost about the same as a second phone line and dial up service with MSN or AOL (typical ISPs for those who are not the BBR crowd.) So people free up a phone line and get higher speed. If the price goes up, it becomes a lot harder to justify the cost to the average person who does next to nothing online.
Each one of your "new" reasons all relate to the amount of traffic passed and each day we hear of new complaints from both users and ISPs over how much is too much. Something has got to give and when it does, there will be fallout. |
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 TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL
 ·Verizon FiOS
2 edits | reply to KrK
This is called a make money agenda, Comrade. It's what people do here in the USA as no one likes to work for free or be told how much money they can make from government.
Any other solution is called socialism which is goverment controlled and in the end becomes the suck.
If these ppl don't like this ISP they can also switch to something else. This is called competition, otherwise they can rejoice in the fact that they have an ISP that offers a cheaper tier for them to participate in. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| said by TechieZero:This is called a make money agenda, Comrade. It's what people do here in the USA as no one likes to work for free or be told how much money they can make from government.
No... It's called rape people for more money, give them nothing in return but force them to pay you more because you can because their ISN'T enough competition for them to switch to. This isn't the free market system at work and it isn't Laissez-faire economics. It's commonly called a a "Rip-Off". Most consumers have 2 real broadband options, many, only one. As I already said, even if they don't like it, it's not like they can just switch ISP's to show their displeasure by "Voting with their wallets." especially if both providers start pulling this garbage.
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TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| What rape? Someone is FORCING you to buy internet?
If there are 2 providers making it too expensive then a 3rd will show up, maybe you. Even a monopoly has to respond to market dynamics as with any subscription based service, it's a numbers game. You want as many subscribers to make a profit from as you can --- it defeats the purpose to make so that only the very few will subscribe. |
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CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | reply to TechieZero
said by TechieZero:This is called a make money agenda, Comrade. It's what people do here in the USA as no one likes to work for free or be told how much money they can make from government. Any other solution is called socialism which is goverment controlled and in the end becomes the suck. If these ppl don't like this ISP they can also switch to something else. This is called competition, otherwise they can rejoice in the fact that they have an ISP that offers a cheaper tier for them to participate in. I have TWO choices, Embarf/Sprint which I will NEVER use their DSL again, or Comcast. Yep, competition galore! |
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TechieZeroTools Are Using MePremium
join:2002-01-25
Gibsonton, FL Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
1 edit | Well neighbor, go door to door and get a few hundred people to sign up for Cheese ISP non-profit Co, talk to Sprint about connecting to their network with a fat pipe, get some fiber or coax, a ditch witch, some switches and a shack to put them in, and get to work.
I bet some people here can give you some great advice and you will have a new career in the process. |
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We are about to be swindled.
Plain an simple.
How can we (all of us) not see the truth even though it is right before our own eyes.
btw - moonpuppy - Thanks.
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CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | reply to TechieZero
said by TechieZero:Well neighbor, go door to door and get a few hundred people to sign up for Cheese ISP non-profit Co, talk to Sprint about connecting to their network with a fat pipe, get some fiber or coax, a ditch witch, some switches and a shack to put them in, and get to work. I bet some people here can give you some great advice and you will have a new career in the process. Ya know, me and a buddy were actually talking about that recently. Not exactly like you stated but similar  But so far, now that Comcast has full control over everything after taking it from TW, I had some issues in the beginning but now it's working pretty good and the Power Boost works pretty well. |
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