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Re: People keep telling me Im Wrong said by jc100:Was it or was it NOT a Republican Congress that PASSED the Patriot Act. YES. Point stands. I hope this Congress has the gall to say no. If they don't I WILL blame them too! Hmmm, you might want to ask those 145 Democrats in the house who voted for the Patriot Act too before you go condemning just the Republican Party.
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And in the Senate, 1 Democrat against and 1 did not vote. Every other Democrat did vote for it in the Senate. All 47 of them.
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| In the house, you will see 64 voted no. Only 3 Republicans. Hence, I do blame democrats, but not all. On the other hand, the Republicans voted unanimously to piss away your rights. At least 66 democrats between the house and senate spoke their mind. It's more than the opposite party did. |
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1 edit | said by jc100:In the house, you will see 64 voted no. Only 3 Republicans. Hence, I do blame democrats, but not all. On the other hand, the Republicans voted unanimously to piss away your rights. At least 66 democrats between the house and senate spoke their mind. It's more than the opposite party did. Wrong again.
Three Republicans in the House voted against the Patriot Act. That is NOT unanimous. Also 1 Independent voted against it. Let's also add the 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats that did not vote in the House.
As I pointed out in the Senate vote, one lone Democrat. Just one. Not going to blame the other 47 of them?
Might want to take off those blue colored glasses, they seem to be obscuring your view a bit.  |
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| Check your own numbers. I overstated unanimous but I call a 3 total Republicans dissenting an ALMOST unanimous vote. The democrats did vote no. As I said, I don't blame those who voted no. I blame the democrats who voted yes though. At least 65 TOTAL democrats had the NERVE to say no. its a hell of a lot more than the other party did. |
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| said by jc100:Check your own numbers. I overstated unanimous but I call a 3 total Republicans dissenting an ALMOST unanimous vote. The democrats did vote no. As I said, I don't blame those who voted no. I blame the democrats who voted yes though. At least 65 TOTAL democrats had the NERVE to say no. its a hell of a lot more than the other party did. Nice backpeddle. 
My numbers come from the Federal record. I posted the links. Unless you want to claim conspiracy, those numbers speak for themselves.
Unanimous means EVERYONE. Three disenting Republicans is not unanimous. You still did not address how it was an over 2-1 margin FOR the bill in the Democratic party when it came to their vote in the house.
So before you look for another gunman on the grassy knowl, take a closer look at your Democrats before you keep blaming everything on Republicans. |
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| I never backpedaled. I overstated by a small margin. Also, I NEVER defended the Democrats who voted for it. Read slowly and carefully. I commended the 65 who didn't. Its a hell of a lot more than those the Republicans did. Margin wise, 3 nay and the rest I....Not going to bother with the math. I'm sure you can do it on your own. |
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| said by jc100:I never backpedaled. I overstated by a small margin. Also, I NEVER defended the Democrats who voted for it. Read slowly and carefully. I commended the 65 who didn't. Its a hell of a lot more than those the Republicans did. Margin wise, 3 nay and the rest I....Not going to bother with the math. I'm sure you can do it on your own. Overstatement then corrected yourself = backpeddle.
Your blind hatred for the Republican Party has made you blind to the actions of the MAJORITY of Democrats that voted for the Patriot Act. If none of the Republicans voted (neither yea nor nay), then it would have still passed on what the Democrats voted. Your 65 Democrats are in the minority by a whole bunch. And since the Democrats control Congress now, where are they? That's right, they are too busy being bought off by the same lobbyist that bought the Republicans the last time around. |
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| True and not true. You still fail to grasp how the government works. Let me educate you. While the Democrats have a majority, they only have a 1 senator lead in the senate. Hence, they LACK any power to break a filbuster or a veto. Look at their attempts to try to put an end to the Iraq war. It's veto'ed by bush and the Republicants then refuse to override. So while the Democrats have not done anything yet, I still got faith they will given the opportunity. After all, they are powerless at this point to do anything. Yet, they have not caved into Bush. Bush no longer has a rubber stamp to get his crackjob legislation passed. At least thats some consolation. Btw, 65 is still 65. It's more than 3 by a 22x fold. So you can say what you wish, but the Republicans who claim small government and fiscal spending have done nothing but bring big brother into our lives and indebt us by 3 trillion to communist nations like Russia and China we claim to hate. Since this is a two party system, I'd take a democrat who at least gives something back to the people. Republicans seem to give more gun laws... which wow.. the murder rate int he US is 22,000 a yr. They claim to hate social programs but have no qualms about using 911 / Emergency services, our public school systems, borrow from banks,use the highwyas and expect their food to be safe. Captain obvious, read above. All these were SOCIALIZED and would fail to exist with the state or federal government intervention. After all, the minute your dollars leave your city and go for other causes, they are being used for socialization. I don't see you standing up to your hardcore principles. SO please, give me a break. At least we've gotten something out of the Democrats. They are far from perfect, but at least t hey aren't a party of utter incompetence and failure. |
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| For someone who claims to know how government works, you have a lot to learn.
The 2/3 vote for an override of a veto is still there. If the Democrats cannot garner the support in the House, then they do not have the support they need. Remember, the House is voted in EVERY 2 years. They all have to campaign for their jobs unlike the Senate which only does a 1/3 at a time.
And where were the Democrats when Congress voted themselves a pay raise?
Unlike your blind allegiance to one party, I see what Congress has become; a place where both Republicans and Democrats are bought by lobbyist and have no concern for the people who elected them to office in the first place. Until you face the fact that your precious Democrats are part of the problem, you will continue to be a sheeple who will vote by party instead of issues.
Try again. |
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