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| what stupid arguments Europe also suffers from a dearth of robust competition from cable modem and fiber. Cable penetration is only about 21% of households. In the U.S., cable is available to 94% of all households. Also, the U.S. is home to the world’s fastest fiber-to-home market, with a 99% annual growth rate in subscribers compared with a relatively anemic 13% growth rate in Europe.
also highly misleading.
the U.S. is the only place on the planet, I think, where there are more cable broadband connections than DSL - you can thank our wonderful incumbent telcos for sitting on their @sses for several years for that particular statistic. That statistic tells you nothing at all about the state of competition. Also in Europe, they have been able to get video over ADSL+ or VDSL for a while now - that's why some people don't get it over cable.
Fiber growth rate; hmmm, let's see: if FIOS goes from 100,000 customers to 200,000 customers, that's a 100% growth rate  if fiber in Japan goes from 1 million customers to 1.1 million customers, it's only a 10% growth rate  - but how about that, they both add the same number of customers!
isn't lying with statistics fun!
I had hopes for McDowell, but it looks like he's just another big business douchebag (please note I didn't call him a republican douchebag, because, hey who knows, maybe he just hates consumers) |
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sm2016a
join:2004-03-02
Belleville, IL
1 edit | The statistics can be very misleading if you do not take the time to see what they mean. The growth rates really don't mean as much as everyone thinks as nasadude has pointed out. The U.S. will continue to lag behind other countries in means of broadband due to people like McDowell.
Criticisms of our definition of “broadband” being too lax are already irrelevant as over 50 million subscribers are in the 1.5 to 3.0 megabits-per-second “fast lane.”
I do not consider 1.5 to 3.0 fast lane broadband. Fast lane would be 5.0+ in my opinion and that is being considerate since 5.0 is not technically a fast lane broadband speed. |
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What's wrong with there being more cable than DSL connections? Cable is equal to or superior to DSL. And Fios has well over a million customers. |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL | reply to nasadude
said by nasadude:.....the U.S. is the only place on the planet, I think, where there are more cable broadband connections than DSL - you can thank our wonderful incumbent telcos for sitting on their @sses for several years for that particular statistic..... It's more than just incumbent's sitting on their butts. In my case, AT&T can make no business case for bringing DSL to the relatively well off community where I live, right in the middle of Chicago suburbia. There has been cable broadband here for so long that Comcast has built up too much market share for them to enter. Although we've been told if Sprint's WiMax has even modest success here when they roll out next year, AT&T will be forced to finally offer DSL. |
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sm2016a
join:2004-03-02
Belleville, IL | reply to new2fios
I don't think he was saying there is anything wrong with it. He was pointing out that it is due to the teleco's being lazy about deploying broadband unlike the cable co's were. Hence why there are more cable than dsl connections. If the teleco's would have been more proactive the broadband availability could be higher and there could be more competition. |
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bi0tech
join:2003-06-19
Cockeysville, MD Reviews:
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Not to mention it completely ignores that those speed are unidirectional in probably 95+ percent of cases.
Hell I had a better upstream with my Northpoint Symmetric DSL 8 years ago and paid half as much as I do now with the same or better latency.
Gotta love 'progress' |
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bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | reply to nasadude
said by nasadude:Fiber growth rate; hmmm, let's see: if FIOS goes from 100,000 customers to 200,000 customers, that's a 100% growth rate if fiber in Japan goes from 1 million customers to 1.1 million customers, it's only a 10% growth rate - but how about that, they both add the same number of customers! isn't lying with statistics fun! Exactly, it is why when you mention a growth or decline by X%, hard numbers numbers are suppose to be presented. It is always easy to spot someone with an agenda when they use percentages - they always leave out all the data needed to know what is ACTUALLY going on. For example, when a politician says that under their leadership violent crime fell X percent, you really need to know the time frame of when the two measurements were taken. That decline could have happened in the whole range of that politicos term or just in the last month and both would technically be true.
The "research" that McDowell cites is written by a think-tank with an agenda, ergo their results are already suspect. You can bet the farm that they aren't going to release any studies that don't jive with their agenda, so they will be selective in the data they use.
Like I've always said - statistics never lie, but liars use statistics.
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 AlpinePremium
join:2000-01-11
Atlanta, GA | reply to sm2016a
Either laziness or the fact that DSL is distance dependent while cable isn't. Geography has played a huge role in the United States in the cable vs DSL wars... People seem to assume that the telcos could wave a magic wand and upgrade all of their remote terminals.
Now that they've had time to upgrade, DSL is adding more subscribers than cable...
Do you really think the telcos didn't want that extra revenue stream? They researched it and added it as time, money and technology allowed without bankrupting the company. Laziness had nothing to do with it.
So many of the arguments on this site make absolutely no sense...
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