 Cod join:2000-07-05 Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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Re: That sure is a purty pie chart said by Rick:AT&T..I said it before..and I'll say it again..this could all spell the end of them in a few years. |
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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT 1 edit | I think a photo of a guy playing taps on his trumpet is more appropriate. After all, what's going to save them when millions are fleeing their landlines to the tune of what's in the story above?
Their 3Mb that's really a 2.5Mb service in disguise versus my and others almost 30Mb speeds now?
All I know my friend is I REALLY hope they sell a WHOLE Lot of iphones. (isn't even THAT on a SLOW edge service versus the next generation speeds that are out there?)
Because I hear the sad, mournful sound of the trumpet playing already.
You know...Comcast really does have it right. We ARE talking about the slowskys here. |
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 MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX | I would rather have the right package and be misled by good speed tests personally. -- Team Discovery-Join the fight |
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 Cod join:2000-07-05 Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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1 edit | reply to Rick said by Rick:I think a photo of a guy playing taps on his trumpet is more appropriate. After all, what's going to save them when millions are fleeing their landlines to the tune of what's in the story above? Their 3Mb that's really a 2.5Mb service in disguise versus my and others almost 30Mb speeds now? All I know my friend is I REALLY hope they sell a WHOLE Lot of iphones. Because I hear the sad, mournful sound of the trumpet playing already. OK Rick- then please explain these numbers to me since AT&T is going to cease to exist in a few years according to your prognostication:
Second quarter results
-AT&T 2Q net profit jumps 61 percent
-AT&T net income rose to $2.9 billion, or 47 cents per share, from $1.81 billion, or 46 cents per share in the prior year's quarter.
-Wireless subscribers rose by 1.5 million to 63.7 million
-U-verse had 51,000 subscribers in the 23 cities in which it is available, up from the 13,000 users at the end of the first quarter. It expects to be doing 10,000 installations a week by the end of the year.
Surely you know that AT&T is a global company and offers scores of services besides landline phone service, don't ya?
Access and Local Services ACCU-Ring DSL FastAccess Business DSL FastAccess Telecommute Ethernet Switched Service - MAN Metro Ethernet Service Global Managed Internet Service Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) Local Voice (22 States) Managed Internet Service Ultravailable Managed OptEring US Local ISDN U.S. Regional Access Services
Collaboration (Messaging and Conferencing) Conferencing Services Messaging
Consulting and Integration Solutions Manage and Maintain AT&T Managed Care Design and Plan Build and Construct
Contact Center Solutions Contact Center Professional Service Integrated Contact Service Intelligent Call Processing Resource Manager Service VoiceTone
Data/Managed Data Services ATM Frame Relay Global Video Service Integrated Network Connection Service Managed Internet Service Private Line
Enterprise Mobility Firewall Security Integrated Mobile Offers Multi-Carrier Solutions Network-Based VPN Premises-Based VPN Remote Access
Hosting Services Application Management Enterprise Hosting Services Intelligent Content Distribution Service
Integrated Offers AT&T Business Network (ABN) OneNet
IP and IP VPN DSL Global Managed Internet Service Managed Internet Service Network-Based VPN Premises-Based VPN
Security and Business Continuity Business Continuity Professional Services Enterprise Recovery Service Firewall Security Internet Protect® Intrusion Detection Intrusion Prevention Remote VaultSM Service Secure E-mail Gateway StorageConnectSM Token Authentication Web Security
Voice over IP (VoIP) IP Flexible Reach IP Telephony/LAN Management Voice DNA
Voice Services Business Long Distance Corporate Calling Card Direct Toll-Free Service Emergency Services Global Inbound Service (GIS) Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) International Toll-Free Local Voice (22 States) NetPROTECT Toll Fraud Protection Service Toll-Free Universal International Freephone Numbering (UIFN) US Local ISDN US Local T1
I'm no rocket scientist, but I do think the profitability of all the other offerings AT&T provides easily offsets the loss of local land lines...
Hate to break it to ya buddy but AT&T and Comcast will be around for a long time after we are gone...
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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT | reply to MysticGogeta
Fool me some more comcast. Fool me some more. |
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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT | reply to Cod My rebuttal is that you take what I'm saying too literally.
Obviously, the company will still be around in some form or the other in a few years time.
I mean..AOL is too, aren't they?
What will they be though? I think a drastically different company if they continue to lose their landline customers like this and pursue what I think anyway..is a completely failed uverse strategy.
Cod, the bandwidth demands that consumers will put on the internet and their isp's over the next few years is going to be incredible. Video, and particularly hdtv..is going to insure that. Customers won't be waiting by their mailboxes for their nextflix mail to arrive. They'll click a button to get it downloaded to them. It's already happening. I predict the whole DVD industry will undergo a radical change..and so much will shift towards downloading instead. This will call for HUGE amounts of bandwidth. Comcasts CEO said it best when he said..we'll just give it to them and let them figure out how to use it.
Cod, when all this is in place...where will that leave DSL? Uverse? Even current cable customers will demand more speeds. These are some really big files we're talking about. Cable co's...have docsis 3.0. Verizon..has fios.
What exactly does at&t have?
Again, I think you and others need to ask yourselves..with landlines being undercut the way they are by the voip industry..and all this happening with bandwidth demands going ahead..where does this leave AT&T? I think that unless they change, it's going to be one drastically downsized company. I'm sorry to have to say that. They will have their product niches..but it's really going to be a new world for them.
A pretty nuked out world I think. Unless they change..right now.
FTTH. They must do this. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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 MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX | reply to Rick Again I would rather have the right package then some bursts it gives the wrong idea about the service. -- Team Discovery-Join the fight |
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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT | I'm not sure I'd call 40.7Mb into a 64Mb file..and still transferring at 2.26MB/sec..
a burst.
Instead..I'd call my 20,000k + service..comcastic. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
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 Cod join:2000-07-05 Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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2 edits | reply to Rick Thats the beauty of competition, Rick. Customers are free to switch between DSL & cable.
AT&T continues to add thousands of new DSL customers every month. While I applaud your speed burst technology of Comcast, the reality of it is outside the techies of DSLreports.com, most average consumers don't need nor want that kind of speed at this point in time. I'd love to see what some prime time speed burst speeds are and not just yours but a sampling of many communities. I am quite sure that its maybe half of what you get when the cable nodes are at peak traffic & in many conditions slower than the base package speed when oversubscribed & overloaded.
Tons of people are absolutely satisfied with their 3.0 & 6.0mb packages (and different regions of AT&T sync differently. Legacy BellSouth territory uses a max sync profile which allows customers to actually achieve faster speeds than they signed up for ie. 6.0 customers regularly get 6.3-6.5 speeds on tests).
You envision a future where faster speeds will be needed and I agree. We all know your rants on the "ugly" VRADS AT&T is placing all over the country. Get used to it, they aren't going anywhere...Actually they are getting smaller...
They are there to primarily extend the local loop closer to the house. In saying that, upcoming VDSL2 speeds are close to 100mb. You can go to the Uverse forums and see people syncing close to that right now. That can easily be reallocated to hypothetically give customers in the future 25mb internet speeds and leave the rest for VOIP, simultaneous HDTV streams and SDTV.
Also, new subdivisions are getting FTTH right now. Were you aware of this?
Lets say in 5 years AT&T decides that it is economically feasible to start wiring existing homes with fiber directly. Well, all of those new VRADS already have new fiber to them and also the existing thousands of miles of fiber on the existing FTTC pedestals already in front of millions of houses makes upgrading not such a daunting task as one would seem.
I know we butt heads all of the time but its because you are so narrow minded & only take a one sided, comcastic approach. You fail to see that its not the end of the world or end of the company if AT&T doesn't do FTTH "now".
PS- I take your saying AT&T isn't going to exist literally because you say it every week around here!!! Are you trying to insinuate that you are typing that just for kicks and you really don't mean it?
Bottom line- the loss of landline service is easily being supplimented with large additions of wireless customers, DSL additions and the ever growing uverse additions. The market is large enough to where everyone will enjoy a piece of the pie. |
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Personally, I don't care if its Cable/Comcast or VDSL/AT&T.
Whoever sells me the product 'I' want at the price 'I' want to pay is going to get my business.
I CURRENTLY do not need faster than 3Mbps right now. Sure, I'll take 30Mbps, hell, I'll take 45Mbps or better. I'm not going to pay $50 for it though. Most of my neighbors are on AT&T 1.5Mbps DSL. Why - because its ~$20/month. Most don't see paying +$45/month for 'standard' HSI. The ones with high school kids might because of online gaming.
My 2cents: Comcast VoIP is a 'natural' transition from POTS/LD for those using Cable/HSI. One bill, one source, local support (HSI/Cable/VoIP), and SIMILAR pricing to POTS. I expect Comcast to charge as much as they can get away with. -- Canada = Hollywood North |
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 Cod join:2000-07-05 Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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| said by en102:Personally, I don't care if its Cable/Comcast or VDSL/AT&T. Whoever sells me the product 'I' want at the price 'I' want to pay is going to get my business. I CURRENTLY do not need faster than 3Mbps right now. Sure, I'll take 30Mbps, hell, I'll take 45Mbps or better. I'm not going to pay $50 for it though. Most of my neighbors are on AT&T 1.5Mbps DSL. Why - because its ~$20/month. Most don't see paying +$45/month for 'standard' HSI. The ones with high school kids might because of online gaming. Very well said and is the reasoning I am trying to get at. Speed alone is not the overall determining factor. I'd go out on a limb and say that price is #1 issue followed by the combination of speed and reliability.
The niche market is going to want 10-20+ mb speeds but the majority will roll with 1.5-6mb to web browse & email with their respective cable or telco ISP's until something out there necessitates 20+ mb. |
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 etaadmin join:2002-01-17 Dallas, TX kudos:1 | reply to Cod said by Cod:Thats the beauty of competition, Rick. Customers are free to switch between DSL & cable. I don't see any competition coming from at&t. They are drifting in a sea of complacency, mediocrity and bad decisions.
AT&T continues to add thousands of new DSL customers every month.
... and at the same time loosing hundred of thousands of land lines? at&t numbers don't make sense to me.
Tons of people are absolutely satisfied with their 3.0 & 6.0mb packages (and different regions of AT&T sync differently. Legacy BellSouth territory uses a max sync profile which allows customers to actually achieve faster speeds than they signed up for ie. 6.0 customers regularly get 6.3-6.5 speeds on tests).
Are you speaking for 'tons' of people?
They are there to primarily extend the local loop closer to the house. In saying that, upcoming VDSL2 speeds are close to 100mb. You can go to the Uverse forums and see people syncing close to that right now. That can easily be reallocated to hypothetically give customers in the future 25mb internet speeds and leave the rest for VOIP, simultaneous HDTV streams and SDTV.
People that speaks hypotetically usually don't have anything to substatiate their claims. Can you post a speed test of you hypotetically 'easily allocated' bandwidth? Can you post a picture of multiple HDTV streams? Can you post a recording of your VoIP?
Whithin this context I would call 'hypothetically speaking' speculation and unfounded rummor.
Also, new subdivisions are getting FTTH right now. Were you aware of this?
Excellent! This is the way to go at&t let's see that fiber terminating in one of my outside walls.
Lets say in 5 years AT&T decides that it is economically feasible to start wiring existing homes with fiber directly. Well, all of those new VRADS already have new fiber to them and also the existing thousands of miles of fiber on the existing FTTC pedestals already in front of millions of houses makes upgrading not such a daunting task as one would seem.
Hey! Why not 10 years or 20 years. Hypotetically speaking again?
I want to see results from my ISP not 'hypotetically speaking' talk. |
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 en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | reply to Cod
I agree... There are those that use it (and pay for it), and in some markets, due to competition, and high urban density, it exists. FiOS takes a hit on the install charge, and is betting on the long term future (its a good bet). AT&T is taking a more conservative approach, and attmepting to mass deploy, and upgrade as needed. Cable Co Docsis has a large chunk of bandwidth per node, so its relatively easy to crank up the speed, especially if traffic is light on that node.
While applications are starting to rollout (Netflix online), I don't think it requires a 30Mbps connection to run, especially since AT&T can run HD + SD + 6Mbps Internet over a 25Mbps connection. The only downside of AT&T is that their reliability here has been cr@p. Their lines do not work well when the cities sprinkler system hits their F2/VRAD (see the 'wetwall' ) -- Canada = Hollywood North |
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 Cod join:2000-07-05 Kernersville, NC Reviews:
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| reply to etaadmin said by etaadmin:I don't see any competition coming from at&t. What are you talking about? They compete in respective divisions with cable, wireless, cellular and satellite.
said by etaadmin:and at the same time loosing hundred of thousands of land lines? at&t numbers don't make sense to me. I can't help it if you can't understand the numbers. See my previous post in this thread to help you make 'sense' of it all.
said by etaadmin:Are you speaking for 'tons' of people? Are you speaking for the minority? See en102's post above. He says it right there that most of his neighbors are on at&t DSL 1.5 and are satisifed. Look outside the box, man.
said by etaadmin:People that speaks hypotetically usually don't have anything to substatiate their claims. Can you post a speed test of you hypotetically 'easily allocated' bandwidth? Can you post a picture of multiple HDTV streams? Can you post a recording of your VoIP? Whithin this context I would call 'hypothetically speaking' speculation and unfounded rummor. Ok. I misused the word hypothetically. I meant to say FACT:
»www.uverseusers.com/component/op···,1281.0/
If you had uverse, you can see your sync rate by going to this address in your browser: »192.168.1.254
Multiple HDTV streams are coming, as is VOIP.
said by etaadmin:Excellent! This is the way to go at&t let's see that fiber terminating in one of my outside walls. Doesn't happen overnight my friend... |
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 etaadmin join:2002-01-17 Dallas, TX kudos:1 1 edit | said by Cod:I can't help it if you can't understand the numbers. See my previous post in this thread to help you make 'sense' of it all. Why should I 'trust' your numbers? Who are you? For all practical purposes you could be a teenager smoking pot in your parent's basement or a greedy stock broker trying to pump up at&t's stock... or worse an at&t employee.
Are you speaking for the minority? See en102's post above. He says it right there that most of his neighbors are on at&t DSL 1.5 and are satisifed. Look outside the box, man.
Yes, I'm speaking for myself... and who is en102? is he in the same basement as you are? I've seen the outside of the 'box' and it doesn't look good for at&t. When I had adsl I was NOT happy with the service so extrapolating I would say that 80% of adsl customers are NOT happy. This is your reasoning process it works for me too.
Yeah right... but I don't have uverse and I am not planning in getting it unless at&t offers me FTTP/FTTH. So what is the point in your link? ? ?
Doesn't happen overnight my friend...
According to your 'expert oppinion' it won't happen in the next 5 years or more.
BTW You forgot to post your 'hypothetical fast' speed test and pictures of your 'are coming' multiple HDTV streams and VoIP.
Here is one of my TW speed test.

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 RickPremium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT 1 edit | reply to Cod Wow...where should I start? How about right here with this comment of yours.
"We all know your rants on the "ugly" VRADS AT&T is placing all over the country. Get used to it, they aren't going anywhere."
Exactly the kind of self serving, condescending...get used to it because it's our way or no way that I've come to expect from some of the AT&T fanboys. And, from the company itself. This is the company after all that seems to love to fight with various communities to get whatever it wants..while disregarding the will of the communities.
Well, get used to the fact that so few are taking this Uverse service as it now appears to be the laughing stock of the industry. 51,000 customers nationwide after all this time. What a COMPLETE DISASTER IT IS.
Hang all the vrads you want. I predict that they'll make great scrap metal as they're torn down in the future.
What you seem to FORGET is it's not me that makes a difference. It's the CUSTOMERS..or lack thereof..that are now speaking. I appear to simply be the mouthpiece here for what many are thinking.
"Insert everything else you've said".
You know, if there's anything we can count on..it's all the promises coming from your camp. All the maybes..wait and see's..it'll be here..someday.
I call that VAPORWARE.
I call that..you don't have it today..and you wish you did. And until you get it..you'll just keep on talking about all the ..."wait and see's. It will be here soon".
Well, guess what? I've called your bluff from day one. And would say that EVERYTHING i've predicted has now become reality.
But hey..maybe someday you will have it. At that point..when REALITY strikes..i'll be glad to change my tune.
But, I think the ONLY way you'll get there is by going with FTTH. The ONLY WAY.
"PS- I take your saying AT&T isn't going to exist literally because you say it every week around here!!! Are you trying to insinuate that you are typing that just for kicks and you really don't mean it?"
There are plenty of ways to exist..or not exist in business. And obviously, even as bad as it might get if they don't change their ways..the company could go on existing in SOME FORM OR FASHION. They do..after all..have SOME strengths which I have acknowledged.
That doesn't make them a competitor however. It would make them just some other company that's out there..struggling to make it.
Tell me, what would an AT&T look like that completely loses it's dominance in broadband? In landlines?
A pretty small..and sorry AT&T.
You know, while you and others seem to love to attack ME..as a person and poster..attempting to discredit me..I think that's the REAL sign of how weak you really view this service you so seem to love really is. Because I feel this way.."I MUST be a comcast employee"..according to you. Well, guess what? I'm not. I have no affiliation with them whatsoever..except as a now very satisfied customer.
The problem is...what you and others refuse to accept is that it is now me..a POTENTIAL AT&T customer..that is speaking out..and telling YOU..what is wrong with your service and company.
You know what? If it was ME..and my company..I'd be listening...REAL GOOD.
Because again..customers ARE now telling you what I'm saying here. Or, your service would be a hit...something that everyone wanted and was looking forward to.
You know..like Verizons fios service.
Really..when it comes down to it..arguing with me isn't going to make it better.
If I was you..i'd be spending more time in fixing it..and making it better.
Just my .02 cents worth. As a NON..AT&T customer.
It's up to you to change that.
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| reply to Rick said by Rick:I'm not sure I'd call 40.7Mb into a 64Mb file..and still transferring at 2.26MB/sec.. a burst. Instead..I'd call my 20,000k + service..comcastic. I disagree. I call it a false sense of security.
Your led to believe it's as fast as that. It helps on downloading some things , but if your like my family , your downloading demos and youtube 24/7. Plus my linux and solaris fetish has me downloading and uploading source code a lot.
And When I get 70 megs into a 400 meg download and it caps in at a meg a second flat , I think why give me false hopes ?
This is one reason I can't wait to get Fios. Once I find a decently stable job or get my business in full swing I am moving to a Fios serviced area. My family uses the net to much to let this "boost" lure me into feeling secure. Show me a 3 meg download that adjusts with network conditions all the way through and then Ill feel a little better. -- "It's always funny until someone gets hurt......and then it's absolutely friggin' hysterical!" |
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 MadMANNPremium join:2005-08-19 kudos:2 1 edit | reply to MysticGogeta said by MysticGogeta:Again I would rather have the right package then some bursts it gives the wrong idea about the service. My idea of the service is that you can download files faster. Period. Even if the Powerboost speed isn't consistently 2.26 MB/s (the screen shot from above shows that it can, BTW) the reality is that you are downloading files faster than what the actual advertised speed package could deliver. To me, that's a bonus.
In short, they advertise 6/384 for $xx.xx and deliver more at times. Being misled, in this case, is a good thing.
If you take a job that pays $15/hr and they pay you $15.25 for the first 10 hours of the week without telling you, would you complain? |
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 cwire join:2007-06-07 Bedford, KY | reply to etaadmin 5:28 am 4 days ago huh, had to wait till no one else was on the node?? |
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 MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX | reply to MadMANN No but the point is the average person has no idea what their real download speed is they will believe that when they are getting less that its slowing down. -- Team Discovery-Join the fight |
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