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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Yahoo had a problem this morning, I saw it too.  If there was a 1000 point, the DOW would have been around 7500, not the ~8200 that Yahoo displayed.  I also checked my Scottrade account around that time and I believe the real loss was actually around 320 or something.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/937688"><b>FunnyBones</b></A> : OCT.10 DID the DOW DROP OVER 1000pts <br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Eaps5zPPSro"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Eaps5zPPSro" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaps5zPPSro" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaps5zPPSro</A></center><br><br>Some strange things going on.......<br><small>--<br>Are you part of the cattle?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I'm looking at some commodity bets, because it's amazing how much they've been beaten up over the last 4 months.  I've already bought some Total and BHP.  I'm thinking about some Schlumberger and Conoco.  Chesapeake has also grabbed my attention.  $74 all the way down to $12 is really an incredible drop.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I'm feeling quite positive about how the market played out today. The drop this morning was jaw dropping and the way it pulled back to positive territory so quickly showed there was some serious buying interest waiting on the sidelines.<br>And, it closed down tonight but nowhere near the lows. Impressive especially for a friday as well.<br><br>I was able to pick up some fund shares down a whopping 32% or so from where I sold them last year which was really quite the buying spree for me between yesterday and today. In any event..I'm now in at 80% stocks 20% bonds...and will probably take that back to a more comfortable 70% if I see a nice move up from here which I think very well might happen.<br><br>And, if it falls some more which I'll be quite surprised if it does..i'll buy some more.<br><br>In any event..i'm back in for the long term. I think the government has made the right moves and actually..I'm quite impressed with how responsive and aggressive they've been each step of the way. It's been tough times and they've risen to the challenge and I think the economy will be better for their efforts much sooner than it otherwise would have been.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Count me in the market bigtime starting today.<br><br>132 pages ago on page one with the dow at 13,800 or so I posted that my portfolio was taken to just 40% stocks/60% bonds.<br><br>The last few weeks I've been reversing course having saved myself a 20 to 25% decline overall on the stock side while enjoying a nice return on the bond/fixed investments side.<br><br>Yesterday and today..my portfolio is going to 80% stocks/20% bonds. In addition...I've resumed buying into each fund I own and will continue to buy into any further weakness each week.<br><br>For me, diversity is everything and for that reason I'm using 4 fund companies and have numerous funds ranging across all sectors and around the globe. While I do own a few individual stocks..I think it's very risky given the credit concerns and the fact we as investors have so little insight into those troubles they may have. Hence why I want the security of hundreds upon hundreds of stocks around the globe.<br><br>Is today the bottom? No one can know for sure but what I do know is this selloff has created extreme value in many of the companies that I watch. There is so much cash on the sidelines now that any positive news can turn this market around big time and I'd rather take my chances being in the market bigtime and buying into any dips now than missing a move back up.<br><br>We'll see how it goes but that's how I'm playing this.<br><br>Good luck to all weathering this storm.<br> </div>I've been putting a little money in here and there as well.  Today I bought some more JNJ, PG, and PEP.  I think if you're savvy enough and have some testicular fortitude, there is some money to be made in the long run.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Do you think we could perhaps get him to shut up from now on for the rest of his Presidency?<br> </div>If you can include the current crop of presidential candidates too, you've got a deal.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>What caused the huge drop today? I was watching earlier and dow was only down 78 points. <br> </div>Word leaked out that President Bush is going to address the nation tomorrow morning.<br><br>Edit: I'm serious.<br> </div>Before Bush's speech:<br>DJIA down 60 - 100 pts.<br><br>After Bush's speech at 10:30am EDT 10/10/08:<br>DJIA down 300+ pts.<br><br>Hmmmm...<br><small>--<br>"I love mankind.  It's people I can't stand."<br><br>                     --L. van Pelt</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Count me in the market bigtime starting today.<br><br>132 pages ago on page one with the dow at 13,800 or so I posted that my portfolio was taken to just 40% stocks/60% bonds.<br><br>The last few weeks I've been reversing course having saved myself a 20 to 25% decline overall on the stock side while enjoying a nice return on the bond/fixed investments side.<br><br>Yesterday and today..my portfolio is going to 80% stocks/20% bonds. In addition...I've resumed buying into each fund I own and will continue to buy into any further weakness each week.<br><br>For me, diversity is everything and for that reason I'm using 4 fund companies and have numerous funds ranging across all sectors and around the globe. While I do own a few individual stocks..I think it's very risky given the credit concerns and the fact we as investors have so little insight into those troubles they may have. Hence why I want the security of hundreds upon hundreds of stocks around the globe.<br><br>Is today the bottom? No one can know for sure but what I do know is this selloff has created extreme value in many of the companies that I watch. There is so much cash on the sidelines now that any positive news can turn this market around big time and I'd rather take my chances being in the market bigtime and buying into any dips now than missing a move back up.<br><br>We'll see how it goes but that's how I'm playing this.<br><br>Good luck to all weathering this storm.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : BRK is back up now.  Whoever was able to buy at the open just made themselves a quick 20+% in a matter of minutes.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Berkshire Hathaway down 21%!!!  I think we are going to have an early closing today.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>The best explanation I have heard so far is that hedge funds are quietly falling like nine pins. They have closed for redemption for a while but at some point they have to liquidate their positions in order to pay their investors back who will surely be lining up redemption requests.<br><br> </div>I think you are absolutely correct.  Most hedge funds had their final redemption date for 2008 within the last couple of weeks, so anyone wanting their money in 2008 likely had to put in the request within the last couple of weeks.  I think this is also likely the cause of the dramatic slide in commodities.  Also, if you look at mutual fund redemptions, almost $50 billion has been redeemed in the last week.  That type of money being taken out is not good for stability.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : The best explanation I have heard so far is that hedge funds are quietly falling like nine pins. They have closed for redemption for a while but at some point they have to liquidate their positions in order to pay their investors back who will surely be lining up redemption requests.<br><br>Since there don't seem to be any safe asset classes now, and few hedge funds are purely short plays, they are getting creamed (and I bet their bankers are calling them up asking for money back as well).<br><br>They keep talking about all the cash on the sidelines and I am sure there is a lot but there is still many times that stuck in assets of various kinds wanting to get out.<br><br>The silver lining in this is hedge funds are mostly the investment vehicles of the hyper wealthy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Nikkei 225 down 11%.   <br> </div>I've been wanting to ask, does our market drop because Asia and Europe drops, or do they drop because we did ? Since time starts in Green Witch England and moves west, I would guess that they follow US. :huh:<br><small>--<br>I spent <b><i>most</i></b> of my money on Women and Beer, and the rest I just wasted !</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Nikkei 225 down 11%.  I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be the worst day of the last 2 weeks...unless GE manages to shock which I doubt.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : Perhaps it was because of the end of the ban on short selling? <br><small>--<br>I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1150241"><b>wxboss</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SipSizzurp <A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What caused the huge drop today? </div>Good question. <br> </div>Panic, uncertainty and confusion mixed with a dash of hysteria.<br><br>While I understand your stance, you overestimate the human condition in times like these. When people feel their world is unraveling and don't understand why, anything goes.<br><br>I wish it weren't true, but people neglect the objectivity of foresight and prefer to fend for themselves when things start going awry on such a large scale. <br><br>It would be refreshing to see cooler heads prevailing, but the odds, in my opinion, are against it.<br><small>--<br>"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills<br>than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."<br>    --Conan O'Brien</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>What caused the huge drop today? I was watching earlier and dow was only down 78 points. <br> </div>Word leaked out that President Bush is going to address the nation tomorrow morning.<br><br>Edit: I'm serious.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>What caused the huge drop today? </div>Good question. Fuel prices have dropped 25% in 5 months, the banks have been bailed out, interest rates are low and have just dropped again, Ike the hurricane cleaned up a very shitty little island and FDIC insurance is up to a quarter million bux. The national debt doesn't matter anymore, we all know it will never be repaid. What else could investors possibly want ?<br><br>I think the people taking their extra money out of the stock markets are going to go on a spending spree and enjoy some of their cash while they still can ! After all, the end of the world is just a few years away and nobody is taking anything with them.<br><small>--<br>I spent <b><i>most</i></b> of my money on Women and Beer, and the rest I just wasted !</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : This is part of an article from May of 2007 regarding the secrecy of The Plunge Protection Team<br>__________<br><br><b>NO FREEDOM OF INFO ON PLUNGE PROTECTION TEAM</b><br><br>Back when Goldman Sachs Chairman Henry Paulson took over as Treasury secretary nearly a year ago, I did a multi-column investigation of the Working Group on Financial Markets, which is also endearingly nicknamed the Plunge Protection Team. <br><br>As far as I can tell, variations of the group have been in existence since the late 1980s. The PPT operates in that shadowy space between the government's desire to keep the market safe for national security reasons and Wall Street's desire to keep prices up for selfish reasons. <br><br>Other newspapers have since reported that - unlike his predecessors - Paulson calls frequent meetings of the Plunge Protection Team, which now seems to include Wall Street big shots as well as top officials such as Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and New York Stock Exchange Chairman John Thain. <br><br>It's nice that all these folks have time to get together. And it is wonderful that the naive media think these meetings of government and finance brains are innocent. But I'm suspicious. <br><br>Of what? <br><br>I believe the Plunge Protection Team has emergency powers to protect the stock market if the situation warrants it. (Incidentally, I wholly support such action.) <br><br>But I also believe that the Plunge Protectors - left unchecked - could ultimately cause a tremendous loss of confidence in our financial markets. And they could create the very national security problems they think are fixing.<br><br>That's why I've asked for the minutes of meetings of the Plunge Protection Team on very specific dates when the stock market pulled a couple of rabbits out of its hat. <br><br>I didn't want to get greedy, so I kept the scope of my search narrow. <br><br>But, apparently, I must have guessed right and asked about sensitive enough issues because the Treasury ignored that first request and hasn't been any more obliging in response to follow-up letters. <br><br>It was only after I wrote an open letter to Paulson and published it in this column on April 3 that Treasury seemed to get the message. Two days later I was on the agenda of its FOIA Operations Overview. <br><br>(Full Article at Link )<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nypost.com/seven/05152007/business/no_freedom_of_info_on_plunge_protection_team_business_john_crudele.htm?&page=0" >www.nypost.com/seven/05152007/bu&middot;&middot;&middot;?&page=0</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1150241"><b>wxboss</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Okay, let's not go overboard here....this isn't the NWO..just corporate welfare, something that's been going on for a long time now.<br> </div>Sailor point was very poignant, and for that some will believe he has gone too far. We are not as sovereign as we were. We are finally realizing that the world now has an interconnectedness (or an interdependency) that wasn't so apparent decades ago. Whether we like it or not, that is the current state of things.<br><br>If events continue to look bleak, concern will turn to panic and in that state people will abandon reason and common sense for any solution that fixes the current crisis, and decisions made under duress rarely prove beneficial except to the one(s) who offer it.<br><small>--<br>"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills<br>than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."<br>    --Conan O'Brien</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Okay, let's not go overboard here....this isn't the NWO..just corporate welfare, something that's been going on for a long time now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : What caused the huge drop today? I was watching earlier and dow was only down 78 points. <br><small>--<br>I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Dow has lost 35% of its value since this thread started.  This is the 7th straight day for the Dow falling.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Won't be long before American citizens will never see a statement again from their broker, mortgage company, car payment from their bank or credit union, gas company, fuel oil company, credit card company, etc...Everything will be on one statement and that statement will be on letterhead saying "The United States Government"....Your bill is enclosed" :( :huh:<br> </div>The above I said back on Sept 19 and what we are seeing at this very moment is The New World Order taking place right before our eyes.  :mad: :( Gov't and big business all becoming one...at our expense..<br><br>I can still recall President Bush Sr. saying "The New World Order"<br><br>We, the people, are so totally screwed...<br><br>In a nutshell, Mission Accomplished!  :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : The US government's debts have ballooned so badly the National Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits to record the spiralling figure.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7660409.stm" >news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7660409.stm</A><br><br>Congrats guys we passed $10 trillion!<br><small>--<br>I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=araFtj3EAFFw&refer=home" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;fer=home</A><br><br>Boy, this is starting to get ugly.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:48:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656685"><b>drew</b></A> : I really need to wake up and do some trading on QID one of these days.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:57:12 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : Quotes or not, the House just passed it.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/business/economy/04bailout.html?em" >www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/busin&middot;&middot;&middot;.html?em</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:43:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Opponents to a government "bail-out" are  stupid, ignorant, or sadistic.<br> </div>Don't put the bail-out in quotes. It is definitely a bail-out, and that includes bailing out your company as well. GE got too deep into financial services. If they stuck to their traditional mission of making turbines and the like they wouldn't be on the no-short list and buffet wouldn't be extracting his pound of flesh in return for handing GE some cash.<br><br>Some opponents of the plan might be one of your three insults, but not all. Were any other plans considered? it seems not. Paulson came up with this seemingly on his own over a couple of days. What economist did he consult? Can you find any high profile economists that say this is the best plan? All I see are experts saying it is very bad, or actually damaging. The banking committee spent just 5 hours discussing it! 5 hours! for 700 billion!!<br><br>And the reasoning of opponents isn't so difficult to understand either: by bailing out stock holders and shareholders the underlying problem is not solved. You're just extending life support, profits even, to the very people who navigated us into this problem, it is a very indirect and unfair way of coping with the crisis which is one of solvency not just liquidity blockages.<br><br>Not every bank is going broke. Wells is hitting new highs. Many regional banks remain unaffected. The government could setup "triage" where the bad banks and companies are given suicide assistance - including wiping out of bond holders and shareholders - and their obligations and assets are rolled into the good ones and backed up by the 700 billion budget. This would very quickly reduce the size of the industry so the players who didn't make such bad decisions become strong and profitable.<br><br>But no, they seem intent on preserving as much of the status quo as possible. They like the profits on the way up, and a huge amount went into private pockets, but the losses on the way down are unacceptable and the taxpayer is called to pay.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:55:20 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If Fortune 500 companies like AT&T can't sell commercial paper, there's no better indication that this credit crisis is not restricted to Wall Street.  I work for GE Corporate Financial Services.  GE has some of the best financial minds around. If GE is shoring up its cash reserves, you can bet the dividend that it's for a good reason.<br><br>Opponents to a government "bail-out" are  stupid, ignorant, or sadistic.<br> </div>I totally agree with you. AT&t and other such corporation usually never had problem selling commercial paper. This clearly shows that this credit crisis is in the main stream but unfortunately public will not realize it till it's way to late :(]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:39:00 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : If Fortune 500 companies like AT&T can't sell commercial paper, there's no better indication that this credit crisis is not restricted to Wall Street.  I work for GE Corporate Financial Services.  GE has some of the best financial minds around. If GE is shoring up its cash reserves, you can bet the dividend that it's for a good reason.<br><br>Opponents to a government "bail-out" are  stupid, ignorant, or sadistic.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:53:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : He got a sweet deal but I think if he had waited longer he could have got even better one. But I guess he isn't interested in trying to time the absolute bottom.<br><br>Did you see this?<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/10/zuckerman-on-charlie-rose.html" >calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008&middot;&middot;&middot;ose.html</A><br><br>Both guests make a lot of sense.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:22:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I wonder if GE ever thought they'd be in a position like this.  I bet Immelt is rethinking selling NBC...if he can find a buyer.  Buffett did get another sweetheart deal, though.    ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:15:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Wow, way to piss of your readers who have lost money this year - and that must be most of them.<br><br>But GE is getting a little panicky..]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:51:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : Hey boneheads, what are you doing...?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21203724?c=1355580&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="87779 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=380 SRC="/r0/download/1355580.thumb600~49c17c084ac1a64189502d30b11bc0fa/bone-headed.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>lmao</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:00:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I see it at the bottom of a pretty bad recession. But then I'm a bit old fashioned and don't believe how excessive consumer credit can ever lead somewhere good.<br>It is possible, I suppose, that the fed lowers to 1% or less and credit eases up, mortgages are refinanced, consumer loans start to flow and everyone can start re-accumulating "stuff".]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:57:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Where do you see the economy in a year?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:41:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : the selling was 777 points and was about equally divided into "before" the bill was SURE to pass and "after" when it surprised everyone. And then the next day, with absolutely no more confidence the bill was still alive, the market recovered half of the previous days drop.<br><br>So it is very unclear to me that this high volatility is related to the whether or not the bill is going to pass.<br><br>Worse, the drop was very steep on the surprise because short sellers have been driven out so there are no buy orders waiting well below the current indexes, to close them out at a profit.<br><br>the whole thing is fubar.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Justification or not..the numbers are staggering.<br>And it's not just hitting the SUV market either..hence toyotas results. That does imply that it's economic and credit related.<br><br>No way can companies as weak as these are already sustain these kinds of monthly declines. They'd be dead in 6 months dramatically adding to the unemployment situation.<br><br>Even if this bill passes personally I'm not looking for it to do much for the stock market in terms of a rally. We'll be lucky if it could just sustain it at current levels.<br>Without this package this market would be down 2000 to 3000 points in a week I think.<br><br>The selling the other day was ferocious. 800 points and one trillion dollars gone in an afternoon. That would be just the start the next time.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 01:04:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : It underlines the urgency in getting the RIGHT solution passed.<br><br>paul o'neill says this solution is madness<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=atJMmClVjevU&refer=home" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;fer=home</A><br><br>but he says the hill is in some kind of bubble, they have no clue and no other information is allowed to reach them.<br><br>btw, as soon as the congress yes vote passed, futures dropped and so far asia is following.<br><br>Of course the proponents of this bill will take every situation as justification: if the markets tank instead of recover, well, the bill was really needed because the situation is so dire. If the markets recover, well, the bill was just the trick.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:30:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Wow.<br>Ford Motor sales down 34 percent for the month of September<br>Chrysler..33%<br>Toyota..32%<br><br>"Many dealers have said customers are having an increasingly hard time qualifying for loans to buy autos, as banks have restricted lending because of widespread mortgage defaults that led to disruptions in the financial markets."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081001/auto_sales.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/081001/auto_sales.html</A><br><br>It does give new meaning to the sense of urgency that Paulson and others have been talking about in getting a bill passed.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 22:48:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : The Senate just passed the amendment that is the bailout bill 74 - 25. &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown;_ylt=Au7wg.lxPVwMhjGbdUPwm7mb.HQA" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081002/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;m7mb.HQA</A><br><br>Here is the link showing who voted for and against:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00212" >www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r&middot;&middot;&middot;te=00212</A><br><br>The vote on the bill itself was<A HREF="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00213"> 74- 25</a> also. <br><br>The House is expected to vote on the revamped bill on Friday<br><br>Also, the SEC extended the ban on short selling in approx 950 companies until 3 business days after the bailout bill is signed or Oct 17, whichever comes 1st. This was done despite the screams of the hedge fund lobbyists.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081002/bs_nm/us_financial_sec_extension" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081002/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;xtension</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 21:21:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : Buffett keeps sucking up the shares of beaten down companies. Buy low - sell high in action.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=ad8yiWhz2ryc&refer=us" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;refer=us</A><br><div class="bquote">Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. will buy $3 billion in preferred shares that pay an annual 10 percent dividend and are callable after three years at a 10 percent premium, Fairfield, Connecticut-based GE said today in a statement. The 78-year-old investor also gets warrants to buy $3 billion of common stock with a strike price of $22.25 a share for five years. </div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:53:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : Well American Express recently dropped my interest rate to 8.99% Down from 22% (which was up from 12 after I was late with a payment.)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:22:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : It's kind of funny, American Express just sent me a letter reducing my credit limit to my account balance. The letter offended me slightly talking about payment history etc etc. I've never been late with a payment and after all they did send out all those offers for more, more, more credit all the while.<br><br>I think it's funny how fast due diligence can creep back into the system.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:57:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/01/read-the-senate-bailout-bill-here/" >michellemalkin.com/2008/10/01/re&middot;&middot;&middot;ll-here/</A><br><div class="bquote">Thanks to the Senate Conservatives Fund for posting the 451-page bailout behemoth here. <b>  &raquo;<A HREF="http://senateconservatives.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/bailouttext.pdf" >senateconservatives.files.wordpr&middot;&middot;&middot;text.pdf</A> </b><br><br>A few of the earmarks stuffed in the bill:<br><br>- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)<br>- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)<br>- 6 page package of earmarks for litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)<br><br>Tax earmark &#8220;extenders&#8221; in the bailout bill.<br>- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)<br>- American Samoa (Sec. 309)<br>- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)<br>- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)<br>- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)<br>- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)<br>- Railroads (Sec. 316)<br>- Auto Racing Tracks (317)<br>- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)<br>- Wool Research (Sec. 325)</div>See the PDF link quoted above for the text of the full bill.<br><br>I suspect all the extra pork in the newer version of the bailout bill is to get some of the Republicans that voted against the 1st go around to vote for it this time.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:45:06 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This is getting lots of attention late tonight ( early Wed AM--10/1/08 )<br>Was removed once but is now back up as I am posting this.<br>(youtube clip)<br> </div>Here is a blog post by the author of the video backing up his video.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/596-The-TRUTH-About-The-Bailout.html" >market-ticker.denninger.net/arch&middot;&middot;&middot;out.html</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : This is getting lots of attention late tonight ( early Wed AM--10/1/08 )<br><br>Was removed once but is now back up as I am posting this.<br><br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/GqIFoBXGizc"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/GqIFoBXGizc" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIFoBXGizc" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqIFoBXGizc</A></center>]]></description>
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<title>Re: Mark-to-market rule changes released by SEC &#x26; FASB</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : It is pretty sad, a lot of compensation is based on trading profits. They were more than happy to book huge mark-to-market gains on the way up in the bubble, and pay huge bonuses based on that. Now on the way down, suddenly it is all about accrual accounting and book value and avoiding recognizing trading losses.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:07:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : Mark-to-Market changing to Mark-to-Estimate<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081001/bs_nm/us_usa_accounting_sec" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081001/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;ting_sec</A><br><div class="bquote">U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission reminded financial services firms that they don't need to use fire sale prices when evaluating their hard to price assets.<br><br>"By clarifying how to treat assets in an uncertain market, the SEC is continuing to provide transparency to investors and helping institutions to provide credit in periods of market stress."<br><br>MARK-TO-ESTIMATE<br><br>The <b>SEC's guidance on Tuesday, came on the last day of the third quarter for most U.S. companies, allowing them to incorporate the changes in their next round of financial statements.</b><br><br>In a document on the matter, the SEC reaffirmed that management's internal assumptions can be used to measure fair value when relevant market evidence does not exist.<br><br>U.S. accounting rule makers assume that the factors used to come up with fair values are based on an orderly transaction between willing market participants. The SEC document said that "distressed or forced liquidation sales are not orderly transactions."</div>This means that financial companies can re-inflate the value of their beaten down assets(mortgages & derivatives)  when they start reporting 3rd qtr earnings in a month. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:27:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/30/flash-senate-bailout-vote-scheduled-tomorrow-at-approx-9pm-eastern/" >michellemalkin.com/2008/09/30/fl&middot;&middot;&middot;eastern/</A><br><div class="bquote">A Senate bailout vote is scheduled tomorrow at 9pm Eastern.<br><b><br>No bill details seen yet.<br></b><br>How it will go down&#8230;There will be up to 6 roll call votes on the following items:<br><br>(1)Motion to concur on the House message, H.R. 2095, Rail Safety;<br>(2)a Dorgan amendment relating to H.R. 7081, the U.S. - India Nuclear agreement;<br>(3)a Bingaman amendment relating to H.R. 7081, the U.S. - India Nuclear agreement;<br>(4)passage of H.R. 7081, the U.S. - India Nuclear agreement;<br><b>(5)a Dodd amendment to H.R. 1424, relating to the bailout package; and<br>(6)passage of H.R. 1424, the bailout.</b><br></div><A HREF="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1424:">H.R.1424</a> - a mental health insurance bill has already passed the House; awaiting action in the Senate. By amending & replacing the text of the original  already passed House bill with bailout terms, the bill can then go back to the House for concurrence on the amendment. This way the bill can go right to the House floor for a vote and isn't subject to normal procedural delaying tactics. Many controversial issues like the bailout are passed quickly this way.<br><b><br>EDIT: More details on the scheduled bailout vote in Senate:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Senate_to_vote_on_bailout_tomorrow.html" >www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/&middot;&middot;&middot;row.html</A><br></b><br>The amendment in the Senate will need 60 votes to pass before going to the House. Aides say the bill will include an increase in the amount of deposits insured by the FDIC from $100,000 to $250,000 -- a provision called for by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and earlier offered by House Republicans. UPDATE II: House Republicans are saying the Senate vote tomorrow is the work of bicameral, bipartisan negotiations.<br><br>EDIT 2: More details of the changes to the original pkg can be found here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14153.html" >www.politico.com/news/stories/09&middot;&middot;&middot;153.html</A><br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:13:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : And now back up 485 points.  I'm getting dizzy.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:46:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1087724"><b>bent</b></A> : "For Wall Street, high profits could be made from securities backed by subprime loans."<br><br>With high profits comes high risk. Wall Street forgot this basic fact and got burned. Screw them, and screw the rest of us.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lp.org/issues/family-budget" >www.lp.org/issues/family-budget</A><br><br>"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:16:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<title>Re: Let the finger-pointing begin.</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Sorry....<br> </div>LOL. I'm just going to go ahead with my original thought then, which is that you can't add and/or read. ;) <br><small>--<br>Join the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/3gxwxm">DSLR Kiva team</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:06:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  PhoenixDown <A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>On the other hand, sometimes its quicker, easier, and better to simply let the system self destruct so you can pick up the pieces quicker and move forward. <br><br>The market is unstable and is in danger of collapsing. I agree that there are things that the government can do to help ease the inevitable fall but the danger of the bailout is that it risks the value of the dollar for no good reason. <br><br>To save one thing (the market), are we willing to jeopardize another (the dollar) and what happens if both fail?<br> </div>Exactly.  The economy is going to tank either way, and the only difference is that a bunch of rich bankers will get to keep their dozen houses rather than having to sell some of them.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:59:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : Sorry....]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:51:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>No its not, instead of reading each post individually, put it in the perspective of where it is in the discussion. My comment is perfectly clear, when you read the post in the context of the preceding posts. <br> </div>Oooookay.<br><br>Could you please just explain to me what the hell you're talking about? I already said I didn't get it  :hmm:<br><small>--<br>Join the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/3gxwxm">DSLR Kiva team</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:34:16 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Time to dig up the Democrats pressuring Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to lower standards in the mid 1990s for home mortgages, especially to minorities, which then caused banks to do the same, the catalyst for the current mess; though there are other actors.</div>I heard someone else speaking about this recently. Can you elaborate?<br><br>EDIT: NM, found an article:<br><br><div class="bquote">In 2004, as regulators warned that subprime lenders were saddling borrowers with mortgages they could not afford, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development helped fuel more of that risky lending.<br><br>Eager to put more low-income and minority families into their own homes, the agency required that two government-chartered mortgage finance firms purchase far more "affordable" loans made to these borrowers. HUD stuck with an outdated policy that allowed Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to count billions of dollars they invested in subprime loans as a public good that would foster affordable housing.<br><br>Housing experts and some congressional leaders now view those decisions as mistakes that contributed to an escalation of subprime lending that is roiling the U.S. economy.<br><br>The agency neglected to examine whether borrowers could make the payments on the loans that Freddie and Fannie classified as affordable. From 2004 to 2006, the two purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending. Subprime loans are targeted toward borrowers with poor credit, and they generally carry higher interest rates than conventional loans.<br>...<br>In 1995, President Bill Clinton's HUD agreed to let Fannie and Freddie get affordable-housing credit for buying subprime securities that included loans to low-income borrowers. The idea was that subprime lending benefited many borrowers who did not qualify for conventional loans. HUD expected that Freddie and Fannie would impose their high lending standards on subprime lenders.<br><br>Banks typically back prime loans with customers' deposits. But subprime lenders often rely on money from Wall Street investors , who buy packages of loans as investments called mortgage-backed securities.<br><br>In 2000, as HUD revisited its affordable-housing goals, the housing market had shifted. With escalating home prices, subprime loans were more popular. Consumer advocates warned that lenders were trapping borrowers with low "teaser" interest rates and ignoring borrowers' qualifications.<br><br>HUD restricted Freddie and Fannie, saying it would not credit them for loans they purchased that had abusively high costs or that were granted without regard to the borrower's ability to repay. Freddie and Fannie adopted policies not to buy some high-cost loans.<br>...<br>But by 2004, when HUD next revised the goals, Freddie and Fannie's purchases of subprime-backed securities had risen tenfold. Foreclosure rates also were rising.<br><br>That year, President Bush's HUD ratcheted up the main affordable-housing goal over the next four years, from 50 percent to 56 percent. John C. Weicher, then an assistant HUD secretary, said the institutions lagged behind even the private market and "must do more."<br><br>For Wall Street, high profits could be made from securities backed by subprime loans. Fannie and Freddie targeted the least-risky loans. Still, their purchases provided more cash for a larger subprime market.<br><br>"That was a huge, huge mistake," said Patricia McCoy, who teaches securities law at the University of Connecticut. "That just pumped more capital into a very unregulated market that has turned out to be a disaster."<br><br>In 2003, the two bought $81 billion in subprime securities. In 2004, they purchased $175 billion -- 44 percent of the market. In 2005, they bought $169 billion, or 33 percent. In 2006, they cut back to $90 billion, or 20 percent. Generally, Freddie purchased more than Fannie and relied more heavily on the securities to meet goals.<br>...<br><br></div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/09/AR2008060902626_pf.html" >www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co&middot;&middot;&middot;_pf.html</A><br><br>Note that this doesn't account for all the other derivatives entangled in the current mess.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : On the other hand, sometimes its quicker, easier, and better to simply let the system self destruct so you can pick up the pieces quicker and move forward. <br><br>The market is unstable and is in danger of collapsing. I agree that there are things that the government can do to help ease the inevitable fall but the danger of the bailout is that it risks the value of the dollar for no good reason. <br><br>To save one thing (the market), are we willing to jeopardize another (the dollar) and what happens if both fail?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sarah <A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Cute, but read the context.<br> </div>Read the context? I've read every post in this thread. And it's unclear what you're referring to.<br> </div>No its not, instead of reading each post individually, put it in the perspective of where it is in the discussion. My comment is perfectly clear, when you read the post in the context of the preceding posts. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:54:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  MsTerra <A HREF="/useremail/u/676064"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But what if the lack of confidence is justified? It's hard to see how pumping $700 billion into a malfunctioning system is going to help in the long run. The system needs to be fixed. It should never have been allowed to get this bad in the first place.<br> </div>Yes, the system needs fixing. But the existing  system has to be maintained until the fixes are in. Letting the existing system self-destruct will make the fixes even harder to implement. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:51:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Cute, but read the context.<br> </div>Read the context? I've read every post in this thread. And it's unclear what you're referring to.<br><small>--<br>Join the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/3gxwxm">DSLR Kiva team</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/676064"><b>MsTerra</b></A> : But what if the lack of confidence is justified? It's hard to see how pumping $700 billion into a malfunctioning system is going to help in the long run. The system needs to be fixed. It should never have been allowed to get this bad in the first place.<br><small>--<br>"Strive to change the world in such a way that there's no further need to be a dissident." Lawrence Ferlinghetti</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : If you're advocating doing nothing or letting the banks fail, that was tried between 1930 and 1934.  It didn't work.<br><br>As I posted, the issue here isn't the bailout, it's confidence in the financial system.  Lack of confidence is far more expensive that $700 billion.  Politicians and government from the mid 1990s to-date are the root cause of this mess, so they can't escape blame because it's politically popular.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>You're mistaking the exception for the trend, and conservative for libertarian.<br> </div>A $700 billion exception, an exception bigger than the entire cost of the Iraq war, an exception that costs $7100 per taxpayer on average, that's a pretty significant exception.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sarah <A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Nope.... they should have found 6 more democrats to switch<br> </div>Yeah, having it voted down by 11 instead of 23 would have made all the difference!<br> </div>Cute, but read the context.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : You're mistaking the exception for the trend, and conservative for libertarian.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Away from all the negativity a stock I am looking to load up on, using CALL options, for a short term trade is HNZ...<br><br>Have noticed good tape action with volume and near its 52 week high..It is a slow mover but I feel a move to the $52-$54.00 range from today's ( Sept 29, 2008) closing price of $49.86 is within reach when the market gets some legs under it.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HNZ" >finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HNZ</A><br><br>As for which Calls, I like at this moment the January 09...50 Calls which closed today at $2.90<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=HNZAJ.X" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=HNZAJ.X</A><br><br>Will see how they look tomorrow or maybe something even further out past January..Get them, have the stock rally and then close out the trade and take profits quickly......That all depends of course if I am correct on my opinion that HNZ will be a mover up real soon.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Then you can't blame Republicans for reciprocating in kind, now that the bi-partisan gloves are off.<br><br>BTW less this be cast as a bail-out of Wall street, eventually the average Joe will find it difficult to get credit of any kind, including mortgages.  Then Congress will have choice but to act if they want to keep their jobs.<br><br>This bail-out is more about restoring liquidity and confidence in the lending markets than it is about rewarding Wall street for malfeasance.<br><br>When the Savings and Loans Banks were bailed out to the tune of $400 billion in the early 80s, about 70% of that amount was eventually recovered through orderly liquidation of assets.  This is the goal with this bill as well.<br> </div>Cool, another person I can cross off my list as a free market loyalist.<br><br>Privatize profits, socialize losses.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I have no problem with any politician that voted against the bill because they that was what was best.  I have no idea how I would have voted if I were in their shoes.  However, I do have a problem with Reps who decided to change their vote because their feelings got hurt, which according to John Boehner is exactly what happened in some cases.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Yes, since it is bad for the Republicans, it gives extra incentive for the Democrats to do whatever is needed to ensure the bill is delayed as long as possible.  <br><br>Time to dig up the Democrats pressuring Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac to lower standards in the mid 1990s for home mortgages, especially to minorities, which then caused banks to do the same, the catalyst for the current mess; though there are other actors.<br><br>There's lots of blame to go around, but it's not exclusively a Republican issue.  Time will tell if the Republicans wake up to that fact.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : For all the talk going on in this thread about the politics involved personally I don't see what occurred as being all that political. There were plenty of people on both sides of the aisle who voted for and against this measure and it just demonstrates how divided people are about this.<br><br>Look at what happened even at the open to the market when many people thought it would pass. The market was down big then as well. Certainly not as much as it wound up being but I think it shows that there is no easy answer to this and it's damned if they do...damned if they don't.<br><br>There are many people with the mindset that we should just keep the 700 Billion and let whomever is going to fail..fail. What we have seen is when these companies are failing..there are others stepping up to the plate and taking them over. At least whatever is good that's left of them...and when the price is right. Perhaps if someone stood up and said that for a change..then maybe the market then would rally on that news instead of all this doom and gloom about how the whole world will suffer unless taxpayers step into this. 700 Billion dollars is an unbelievable amount of money to ask taxpayers to pony up for this mess and they might never wind up getting this thing passed.<br><br>And, maybe they shouldn't. Maybe it should all just come down to survival of the fittest. I don't even pretend to know the right answer..and am not sure there is one even.<br>It's more so which is worse? One thing is certain...committing 350 to 700 Billion to buy a lot of toxic securities would be choosing a very bad fate in itself...with no guarantee that it would even succeed.<br><br>Perhaps the people voting no are just really saying thanks..but we'll take our chances going the other way.<br>And they might very well be right.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Either way everyone can agree it is bad for McCain..<br><br>MSNBC&#146;s Chris Matthews said: &#147;He&#146;s like a cavalry commander who said &#145;Charge!&#146; and the Republicans went into retreat.&#148;<br> </div>I think it could be bad for all Republicans if everything turns out to be as bad as some are predicting.  I think a lot of people in mid-America and down South think this is a problem that won't effect them, that it is exclusive to Wall Street.  I think when people start losing their 401Ks, savings, and jobs, they will look for someone to blame for not "fixing it" and Republicans will likely get that blame, especially if they do not come up with an alternative solution.  I don't think it matters whether the bailout was a good or bad plan, or if it would have actually worked...people will just want someone to blame.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/483140"><b>boognish</b></A> : That person should not be in business, politics, or pretty much anything else besides high school.<br><small>--<br>don't get 2 close 2 my fantasy</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Either way everyone can agree it is bad for McCain..<br><br>MSNBC&#146;s Chris Matthews said: &#147;He&#146;s like a cavalry commander who said &#145;Charge!&#146; and the Republicans went into retreat.&#148;]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Then you can't blame Republicans for reciprocating in kind, now that the bi-partisan gloves are off. </div>Responding "in kind" would have been saying critical things about Pelosi and/or the Democrats. What they did was VOTE. Talking != voting.<br><br>I love how they are trying to spin this... how is it the Democrats' fault that the Republicans voted no on a bill that was largely authored by Republicans?  :uhh: Are they so childish that a few words from a Democrat made their feelings all hurt and they crossed their arms and refused to play anymore? More like they know that 90% of the voting public hates this bill and they're using any excuse to cover their collective ass. <br><small>--<br>Join the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/3gxwxm">DSLR Kiva team</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Then you can't blame Republicans for reciprocating in kind, now that the bi-partisan gloves are off.<br><br>BTW less this be cast as a bail-out of Wall street, eventually the average Joe will find it difficult to get credit of any kind, including mortgages.  Then Congress will have choice but to act if they want to keep their jobs.<br><br>This bail-out is more about restoring liquidity and confidence in the lending markets than it is about rewarding Wall street for malfeasance.<br><br>When the Savings and Loans Banks were bailed out to the tune of $400 billion in the early 80s, about 70% of that amount was eventually recovered through orderly liquidation of assets.  This is the goal with this bill as well.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Why should she, she is speaker and she had legitimate anger at the (awful) way the first 3 page deal was presented. Wasn't everyone standing up and speaking on both sides of the issue? <br><br>Paulson was a screw up in this, and so were all the congress people who cheerfully announced it was a done deal before it was anything like that]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Kudos to Pelosi for torpedoing this thing, if that was a factor]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Ever negotiated a deal?  Ever depended on someone for their support?  Understand human behavior?<br><br>If it's deal you want, you don't, just before they sign, say...by the way it's all your fault...sign here...and expect them to do just that if there's no legal obligation to do so. <br><br>If Pelosi really wanted this bill to go through as she claims, she should have kept her mouth shut, especially on a close vote.  That she didn't raises suspicion of her intentions, considering that 95 Democrats did not support her either.  Wasn't this supposed to be a bi-partisan bill?<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1150241"><b>wxboss</b></A> : I understand, yet your statement is one that is felt by many people. It wasn't intended as an attack on your thoughts or feelings - I was merely attempting to reveal the forest when others are only focused on the trees. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I'm sorry, but that's a cop out.  If there were Republicans who decided not to vote for the bailout because their feelings were hurt because of Pelosi's speech, they really should not hold public office.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Too bad Pelosi doesn't understand that.  She knew the vote was going to be close. She could have saved the partisan attack speech until after the bill had passed. Makes you wonder why she didn't.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:13:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I don't see that happening because the bank failures in europe and the fragile state of equities in china means there are few safe havens now, and the US is still probably the best choice of a bad lot. This is a global slowdown, a global problem.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:37:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>The next step of this panic could become the mother of all bank runs, i.e. a run on the trillion dollar plus of the cross border short-term interbank liabilities of the US banking and financial system as foreign banks as starting to worry about the safety of their liquid exposures to US financial institutions; such a silent cross border bank run has already started as foreign banks are worried about the solvency of US banks and are starting to reduce their exposure. And if this run accelerates - as it may now - a total meltdown of the US financial system could occur. We are thus now in a generalized panic mode and back to the risk of a systemic meltdown of the entire financial system. And US and foreign policy authorities seem to be clueless about what needs to be done next. Maybe they should today start with a coordinated 100 bps reduction in policy rates in all the major economies in the world to show that they are starting to seriously recognize and address this rapidly worsening financial crisis.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/KdF6M2FBKG4"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/KdF6M2FBKG4" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdF6M2FBKG4" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdF6M2FBKG4</A></center>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:15:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : All I've got to say is wow, I can't believe my all long stock portfolio lost only 2% today. ;)  I also can't believe PM dove almost 9%...what, people are going to stop smoking all of a sudden now?<br><br>In all seriousness, ballsy move by the Republicans.  However, I do think if some type of plan is not reached this will end up costing McCain the election.  Those 75% of people who opposed a bailout will change sides real quickly if things get really, really bad over the next 6 or 7 weeks, and Republicans - right or wrong - will probably shoulder most of the blame.      ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:14:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Nope.... they should have found 6 more democrats to switch<br> </div>Yeah, having it voted down by 11 instead of 23 would have made all the difference!<br><small>--<br>Join the <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/3gxwxm">DSLR Kiva team</a>!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : My take on the situation.[att=1]<br><br>At the close:<br>Dow: -777.68<br>Nasdaq: -199.61<br>SP500: -106.72<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21187268?c=1354598&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="64303 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=480 SRC="/r0/download/1354598.thumb600~36387bed4abd12f750fd8769556217ba/dr_strangelove.01.jpg/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>Me.</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote">And one Democratic aide said, "we delivered our votes. They did not deliver theirs."</div> </div>Nope.... they should have found 6 more democrats to switch]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Apparently, it is all Pelosi's fault. The Repubs were all ready to save america but then a lady went and insulted them with a speech that complained about Paulson.<br> </div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/bailout.fallout/" >www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/&middot;&middot;&middot;fallout/</A><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by cnn.com :</small><br><br> When the gavel came down, the members on the floor were nearly silent, CNN congressional producer Deirdre Walsh reported. Democratic members immediately met in Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office after the vote, while Republican members went into the office of Boehner, the top Republican in the House.<br><br>The stock market immediately dipped hundreds of points after it became apparent that the bill would fail.<br><br>The Republican House leadership blamed Pelosi for giving a partisan speech before the voting that they said alienated House Republicans.<br><br>While thanking Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson for negotiating on the bill, Pelosi said on the House floor that the Democrats had insisted that the bill "protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall Street."<br><br>Pelosi also said the cost of the bailout "is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies -- policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system."<br><br>After the vote, Boehner said, "Americans are angry, and so are my colleagues. They don't want to have to vote for a bill like this, and I understand that.<br><br>"I think that we need to renew our efforts to find a solution that Congress can support. I do believe that we could have gotten there today had it not been for this partisan speech that the speaker gave on the floor of the House," he said.<br><br>But Democrats dismissed the Republican complaints, saying the Republican leadership failed to convince their members to support the bill.<br><br>"They lost 2-1 on their own side, voting against their president, their presidential candidate, and against every leader in their own party," one Democratic source said.<br><br>And one Democratic aide said, "we delivered our votes. They did not deliver theirs."</div><br><small>--<br>"I love mankind.  It's people I can't stand."<br><br>                     --L. van Pelt</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  wth <A HREF="/useremail/u/588634"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The roll call results. Who voted for and against:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml" >clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml</A><br> </div>Weller (R) Ill not voting.....Where's he?<br> </div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Weller" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Weller</A><br><br>He was there. NV means Not Voting. <br>If he wasn't there, it would show NP - Not Present.<br>He is a lame duck and is not running for re-election in Nov. He is under investigation for land dealings in South America and friendship with indicted businessman.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Yeah, she couldn't convince 95 Democrats to vote for the bill.<br><br>This is the Pelosi method on how to influence people to vote her way:<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>While thanking Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson for negotiating on the bill, Pelosi said on the House floor that the Democrats had insisted that the bill "protect the American people and Main Street from the meltdown on Wall Street."<br><br>Pelosi also said the cost of the bailout "is a number that is staggering, but tells us only the costs of the Bush administration's failed economic policies -- policies built on budgetary recklessness, on an anything-goes mentality, with no regulation, no supervision, and no discipline in the system."<hr></blockquote><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/bailout.fallout/index.html" >www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/29/&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Apparently, it is all Pelosi's fault. The Repubs were all ready to save america but then a lady went and insulted them with a speech that complained about Paulson.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : Off topic, apple shares are down 17%to $106 a share. What are your thoughts on that?<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20804963-Left-Align-the-Forum-Column">Left Align the Forum Column</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1499766"><b>phantasm11b</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JIGA <A HREF="/useremail/u/577105"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Bill failed, now what?<br> </div>Grab your ankles I suppose. Can't wait to see how this plays out.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:48:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/588634"><b>wth</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The roll call results. Who voted for and against:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml" >clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml</A><br> </div>Weller (R) Ill not voting.....Where's he?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:36:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : The roll call results. Who voted for and against:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml" >clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll674.xml</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:30:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/442639"><b>ztmike</b></A> : I think the only reason the markets are crashing are because people get paranoid to damn easy.<br><small>--<br>ZZPERFORMANCE</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/577105"><b>JIGA</b></A> : Bill failed, now what?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:17:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>The vote counts are changing and the chair won't call the vote as closed. Looks like some arm twisting is going on.<br> </div>Forgot that congresspeople could change their votes after time was up. I wouldn't be shocked if some Taiwanese-style brawl broke out.<br><br>Looks like it's official now. And the Dow is back down again.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:02:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : The vote counts are changing and the chair won't call the vote as closed. Looks like some arm twisting is going on.<br><br>Final vote:<br><br>Final vote is 228 against to 205 for.<br><br>Dems 95 against 140 for<br>Repubs 133 against 65 for<br>1 Repub Not Voting]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:59:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : Bill fails. 218 required to pass.<br><br>WOW. DJIA - down 669. Rallied back up to minus 500ish.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21186713?c=1354584&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="108593 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=506 HEIGHT=429 SRC="/r0/download/1354584~9cede61d5fa006fc9142cc693dd64217/housevote.jpg"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21186713?c=1354585&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="117880 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=378 SRC="/r0/download/1354585~ad1284a4525cb4d6b103ff09eedd550f/Untitled-2%20copy.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:48:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/334082"><b>hammer</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The U.S, House is currently voting on the Wall St/Main St  :D bailout bill. <br><br>So far the voting is closer than most would like with a 50- 50 split with about half the votes cast.<br>This one is going to go right to the wire on who wins. But it looks like it is going to be defeated. Watch the markets dive even lower.<br> </div>The Dow is already down 600 points, and the bill isn't going to get passed....this day could get even uglier.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:46:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : The U.S, House is currently voting on the Wall St/Main St  :D bailout bill. <br><br>So far the voting is closer than most would like with a 50- 50 split with about half the votes cast.<br>The bill is defeated. Final vote is 228 against to 205 for.<br><br>Dems 95 against 140 for<br>Repubs  133 against 65 for<br>1 Repub Not Voting<br><br>The Republicans killed their Presidents bill.<br><br>Markets are crashing.<br>[att=1]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21186638?c=1354579&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="16327 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=203 HEIGHT=111 SRC="/r0/download/1354579~93ef6c1cf7bcb03e4986153021af1471/crash.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1150241"><b>wxboss</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Wachovia taken out by Citigroup in a FDIC brokered deal.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080929/wachovia_citigroup.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080929/wachovia&middot;&middot;&middot;oup.html</A><br><br>Let's see how fast the stock falls from it's 10.00 a share close to pennies on the dollar.<br><br>Amazing really how much things have changed and how the government..which worried about making companies too big to fail have now made Citi, JPMChase and BofA what is quickly amounting to the only banks in the U.S.<br> </div>It's not so much the news itself, but how it will disconcert the public.<br><br>I fear, as all do in times like these, that fear will imprison reason, foresight will be overtaken by panic and the symptoms of the current state of things will obscure their origin.<br><br>We will scramble for quick solutions to our own detriment, and who will (or can) protect us from ourselves?<br><small>--<br>"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills<br>than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."<br>    --Conan O'Brien</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Wachovia taken out by Citigroup in a FDIC brokered deal.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080929/wachovia_citigroup.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080929/wachovia&middot;&middot;&middot;oup.html</A><br><br>Let's see how fast the stock falls from it's 10.00 a share close to pennies on the dollar.<br><br>Amazing really how much things have changed and how the government..which worried about making companies too big to fail have now made Citi, JPMChase and BofA what is quickly amounting to the only banks in the U.S.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I think they are keeping the champagne on ice until they confirm the house republicans will really step up and it will really pass.<br><br>One of the disturbing things in this bill is as of wednesday, bank reserve requirements are now 0% .. zero .. and mark-to-market accounting has been suspended.</div>They've been talking about suspending mark-to-market for a while, but 0% reserve requirements is absurd!<br><br><div class="bquote">Also the executive pay limits apply just to the top three officers in the company, and apply only to golden parachutes, not to pay packages.</div>Also, I heard that its only for bad actors.  Any word on how that's defined in the bill?<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : I didn't get very far in reading the Act as I stopped once I saw this:<br><br><i>Designating financial institutions as financial agents of the Federal Government, and such institutions shall perform all such reasonable duties as related to this Act as financial agents of the Federal Government as may be required.</i><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://financialservices.house.gov/essa/ayo08c04_xml.pdf" >financialservices.house.gov/essa&middot;&middot;&middot;_xml.pdf</A><br><br>I'll wait for morning to read the rest of...The Act]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : if they can, as the new act says, suspend fasb 157 at any time for any institution or class of transaction, then to all intents and purposes it mayaswell be suspended for all banks because if you make an investment (buy stock) in a company or choose to do business with them, you don't want to wake up the next day to find their books are suddenly impossible to read.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>and mark-to-market accounting has been suspended.<br><br>Also the executive pay limits apply just to the top three officers in the company, and apply only to golden parachutes, not to pay packages.<br> </div>A couple of comments.<br><br>Mark-to market acctg Fas 157 has not been suspended. It MAY BE suspended at discretion of the SEC. Obviously this would be done if abusive short-sellers tried to drive the market in to the ground once again. It appears that the SEC already had this authority and the new Act merely restates their authority to do that.<br><br>The exec pay applies to top 5 earners in a company and not the top 3 in the latest draft I linked to earlier. It does, however, still only apply to golden parachutes and not their contracted pay scales.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Interesting 60 Minutes on the bailout, and how many champagne bottles were popping on Wall Street when the deal was announced.  <br> </div>I think they are keeping the champagne on ice until they confirm the house republicans will really step up and it will really pass.<br><br>One of the disturbing things in this bill is as of wednesday, bank reserve requirements are now 0% .. zero .. and mark-to-market accounting has been suspended.<br><br>Also the executive pay limits apply just to the top three officers in the company, and apply only to golden parachutes, not to pay packages.<br><br>So a smart executive that figures a way to drive billions out of the taxpayer into the company pockets, through this program, will be richly rewarded. There is a huge incentive for people much smarter than the government to finesse this for corporate and personal gain.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:38:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Interesting 60 Minutes on the bailout, and how many champagne bottles were popping on Wall Street when the deal was announced.  ]]></description>
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<title>Re: Interesting video - bailout  helps Main st &#x26; not Wall St</title>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Paulson plan a "Main Street" Safety net much more than a "Wall Street" bailout pkg:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRNNUJXAJFFV&murl=F9ERGPCP" >www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRN&middot;&middot;&middot;F9ERGPCP</A><br> </div>His original request was ridiculous, $700 billion with no oversight on what he, a former CEO of Goldman Sachs, spends it on.<br> </div>There will be oversight. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r21182197-">Re: Stock Market Crashing...down 330 points right now</A><br> And if you are a glutton for punishment, here is the last draft of the bailout bill in its entirety. But it is a 110 page document.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ayo08c04_xml.pdf" >michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content&middot;&middot;&middot;_xml.pdf</A>  or<br>here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.speaker.gov/pdf/AYO08C04_xml515pm.pdf" >www.speaker.gov/pdf/AYO08C04_xml515pm.pdf</A>  or<br>here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://financialservices.house.gov/essa/ayo08c04_xml.pdf" >financialservices.house.gov/essa&middot;&middot;&middot;_xml.pdf</A><br><br>Here is a section by section analysis of the latest draft from porkbuster.org's N.Z.Bear:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/28/here-is-the-latest-bailout-draft-bill-if-you-cant-access-the-house-website/" >michellemalkin.com/2008/09/28/he&middot;&middot;&middot;website/</A><br><br>or here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://financialservices.house.gov/essa/final_bill_section-by-section.pdf" >financialservices.house.gov/essa&middot;&middot;&middot;tion.pdf</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I just skimmed it real quick, and this one caught my eye:  MHS  &#9;MEDCO HEALTH SOLUTIONS INC...?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : No shorting list<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.optionsxpress.com/risks/security/sec_securities.aspx?et_cid=14738389&et_rid=95319117&linkid=https%3a%2f%2fwww.optionsxpress.com%2frisks%2fsecurity%2fsec_securities.aspx" >www.optionsxpress.com/risks/secu&middot;&middot;&middot;ies.aspx</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : I'm sick to my stomach how the public is once again being so complacent..The way they are being sucked into the drama of these urgent talks as if these talks are going to benefit Joe and Mary American.  :(<br><br>But with that out of the way and before I go puke I just wanted to comment on something....One of the stocks I've been watching to trade down ( shorting or buying PUTS ) is Sears &raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SHLD" >finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SHLD</A> which I have come to the conclusion after watching it for sometime has had its better days behind it and will never be the powerhouse it was once..not to mention I'm not a fan of Eddie Lampert.....and in my opinion its stock price is so very over-inflated being around the $100.00 mark..(I personally see this down to the $20's or below in due time)<br><br>So last last week I am watching and watching and then I get news that the Sears parts/repair outlets near me are closing their doors for good ( the retail store near me which seemed to have been in the same location for a zillion years closed down approx 18 months ago with no notice at all to the employees)...so I am watching and decided to pick up some long term PUTS and as soon I put the order together I get a red warning box telling me that Sears has just been added to the No Short list.... :huh: :uhh:<br><br>Can't short it but still could buy the puts but seeing that and not knowing of that ( they made it public last Thursday ) made me change my mind and wait for another time and sure enough the stock rallied....<br><br>No shorting retailer Sears even though its price is close to $100.00.  :mad:  <br><br>Wall street is now run and operated by the U.S Government and their very wealthy friends...I wouldn't be surprised at all if one Mr Ken ( Kenny Boy ) Lay is living in disguised in a penthouse inside of the Green Zone.  :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : Details of the draft compromise are here:<br>Since not everyone can read the Post web site w/o subscribing, I posted the salient details in this posting.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/28/AR2008092800900.html?sid=ST2008092800943&s_pos=list" >www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co&middot;&middot;&middot;pos=list</A><br><div class="bquote">these elements will be included in the legislation.<br><br>    * Protection for taxpayers, ensuring THEY share IN ANY profits <br><br>-- Cuts the payment of $700 billion in half and conditions future payments on Congressional review<br><br>-- Gives taxpayers an ownership stake and profit-making opportunities with participating companies<br><br>-- Puts taxpayers first in line to recover assets if participating company fails<br><br>-- Guarantees taxpayers are repaid in full -- if other protections have not actually produced a profit<br><br>-- Allows the government to purchase troubled assets from pension plans, local governments, and small banks that serve low- and middle-income families<br><br>    * Limits on excessive compensation for CEOs and executives<br><br>-- New restrictions on CEO and executive compensation for participating companies:<br><br>-- No multi-million dollar golden parachutes<br><br>-- Limits CEO compensation that encourages unnecessary risk-taking<br><br>-- Recovers bonuses paid based on promised gains that later turn out to be false or inaccurate<br><br>    * Strong independent oversight and transparency<br><br>-- Four separate independent oversight entities or processes to protect the taxpayer<br><br>-- A strong oversight board appointed by bipartisan leaders of Congress<br><br>-- A GAO presence at Treasury to oversee the program and conduct audits to ensure strong internal controls, and to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse<br><br>-- An independent Inspector General to monitor the Treasury Secretary's decisions<br><br>-- Transparency -- requiring posting of transactions online to help jumpstart private sector demand<br><br>-- Meaningful judicial review of the Treasury Secretary's actions<br><br>    * Help to prevent home foreclosures crippling the American economy<br><br>-- The government can use its power as the owner of mortgages and mortgage backed securities to facilitate loan modifications (such as, reduced principal or interest rate, lengthened time to pay back the mortgage) to help reduce the 2 million projected foreclosures in the next year<br><br>-- Extends provision (passed earlier in this Congress) to stop tax liability on mortgage foreclosures<br><br>-- Helps save small businesses that need credit by aiding small community banks hurt by the mortgage crisis -- allowing these banks to deduct losses from investments in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks </div>And a further/later look at this story here:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/09/28/ST2008092800943.html?sid=ST2008092800943&s_pos=list" >www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co&middot;&middot;&middot;pos=list</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>buying them at anything less than a big premium to their current over-valued state would be useless, because the idea is to re-capitalize the banks (why they can't do this by directly buying preferred shares beats the hell out of me - oh right, because that would dilute shareholders and we can't have that).<br><br>If you buy at anything less than a premium to their currently marked value then you make things worse as the banks report larger losses than before and go broke even more quickly.<br><br> </div>Yes, I understand that theory and definitely see the validity of it.  I was just saying I would like plan better if they were able to the MBS at market value. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : buying them at anything less than a big premium to their current over-valued state would be useless, because the idea is to re-capitalize the banks (why they can't do this by directly buying preferred shares beats the hell out of me - oh right, because that would dilute shareholders and we can't have that).<br><br>If you buy at anything less than a premium to their currently marked value then you make things worse as the banks report larger losses than before and go broke even more quickly.<br><br>As I see it this is like that rundown house down the street. In the house a bunch of students are partying hard, and in their yard are several old cars on blocks in various states of disrepair. The students are paying leases on the cars, which they still believe are worth $4000 each (but nobody has replied to their craigslist sales ads), and the few sober among them realize they will soon run out of beer money so they make some hurried phone calls. Along comes Forest Gump the taxpayer, who is told that if the party ends the neighborhood won't be able to buy weed there anymore, so he pays this bunch $8000 for each car, drags them away and puts them in a warehouse where he hopes the cars will one day become "collectible" and perhaps make him back the $8000 per car. The party continues for a while longer..]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:45:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>a discount? a discount to what? currently marked down price or a discount to face value?<br><br>they are gonna buy them at an amount sufficient to reflate the banks assets. Since most banks have clearly not written them down as much as the market says they are likely to be worth, this means the government will be buying them at a PREMIUM to the already PREMIUM TO MARKET price they are held at.<br> </div>I was referring to a discount to what they are currently listed at on the banks books, since as you said most financial institutions have not written them down enough to reflect what they really are worth.     ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : We're about to give 700 billion dollars to a former CEO of Goldman Sachs to spend basically however he pleases.  Who do you think he might bail out first?  His friends and former colleagues, of course.<br><br>700 billion is over a quarter of all revenue taken in by the government last year.  3.5 million homeless in this country and 700 billion buys 7 million 100K homes.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : a discount? a discount to what? currently marked down price or a discount to face value?<br><br>they are gonna buy them at an amount sufficient to reflate the banks assets. Since most banks have clearly not written them down as much as the market says they are likely to be worth, this means the government will be buying them at a PREMIUM to the already PREMIUM TO MARKET price they are held at.<br><br>Does the package make the MBS worth more than the market says they are worth? well, you have to ask: does this package mean property in SoCal is worth 400k for a very average home all over again? No I don't think so, not unless they the package includes 100% LTV mortgage products @ 6% all over again ..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I'd like it a lot better if the government was buying the MBS at a discount instead of full price.  At least then you could make the case that years down the road this might not end up being such a bad idea for taxpayers.    ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : It isn't reached until the house votes and passes it.<br><br>But yeah it looks like this time they got the votes.<br><br>I read they are looking for republicans who are retiring, so they can be the ones to vote yes on it (no consequences), and deliver the necessary bi-partisan total.<br><br>I think it stinks: a bailout of the high flyers at the 11th hour. Buffet made his investment with the full knowledge the taxpayer was needed to make it worthwhile.. Goldman would be screwed by AIG failing and that can't be allowed to happen..<br><br>I've no idea how anyone involved can be unbiased enough to deliver a proper solution, they are up their eyeballs in self-interest.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Deal reached...again.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080928/financial_meltdown.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080928/financia&middot;&middot;&middot;own.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : my bad - nevertheless their bread is buttered by a healthy active and booming equity market that encourages individuals to become stock and fund pickers. A recession primarily in equity valuations would be disaster for their business model in the same way as it would be for CNBC ratings (and therefore advertising revenue).<br><br>Anyway, that apart, do you know of small to medium main street businesses dying due to the lack of short term commercial paper trading at federal fund target rate? I did hear of a large car dealer network going under because they couldn't revolve their credit, but cripes: their business was selling uneconomcal cars and trucks largely on credit to people who can little afford them!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I don't buy it.<br>And of course morningstar is hardly an unbiased source for interpreting the plan!<b> morningstar funds?</b><br> </div>Morningstar is a web site that provides both free and paid investing assistance. There are no "MORNINGSTAR FUNDS". They are not a Fidelity Funds or Vanguard Funds type of business.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.morningstar.com/articlenet/article.aspx?id=254192" >news.morningstar.com/articlenet/&middot;&middot;&middot;d=254192</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Paulson plan a "Main Street" Safety net much more than a "Wall Street" bailout pkg:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRNNUJXAJFFV&murl=F9ERGPCP" >www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRN&middot;&middot;&middot;F9ERGPCP</A><br> </div>His original request was ridiculous, $700 billion with no oversight on what he, a former CEO of Goldman Sachs, spends it on.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I don't buy it.<br>And of course morningstar is hardly an unbiased source for interpreting the plan! morningstar funds?<br><br>His analogy of the small business that can't borrow $150k "secured by commercial property" to "post as escrow" before they start a "new contract" doesn't ring true. Does a construction company taking on projects that require $150k escrow deposits not have that kind of float handy? they run on zero liquid cash? if they have commercial property they can use as security, is it really worth that much when (whatever happens to the bailout) CRE is heading for a crunch (not for reasons of credit crunch, but reasons of over supply, over optimism).<br><br>Obviously some firms (especially wall street firms!) can go under and others cannot "grow" but that might be a healthy reaction to years of easy money and easy profits. If a company can only survive by rolling over a large amount of money and only paying 3% on it (using it to generate 5% return and not building up a defensive float) then I don't think it is a very healthy company.<br><br>I'd be more impressed if the wall street types crying about how important it is for main street actually came back with some real solid small and medium non financial businesses that can testify how much trouble they are facing. There are however plenty of examples of ridiculously over-leveraged (and huge) institutions screaming for help.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:44:33 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : Paulson plan a "Main Street" Safety net much more than a "Wall Street" bailout pkg:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRNNUJXAJFFV&murl=F9ERGPCP" >www.morningstar.com/go/?uidm=ZRN&middot;&middot;&middot;F9ERGPCP</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:28:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With all the news about the bailout plan in trouble and the collapse of Wamu, the market didn't do bad today:<br>[att=1]<br> </div>The indexes are a little deceptive today.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21175640?c=1353840&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="6131 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=185 HEIGHT=142 SRC="/r0/download/1353840~be683204fefab1865b00fdb25d49e441/Market.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : If bailout passes and BOA is able to dump all of the garbage they got with ML, they might be in very good shape also.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : With all the news about the bailout plan in trouble and the collapse of Wamu, the market didn't do bad today:<br>[att=1]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21174140?c=1353724&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="23188 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=388 HEIGHT=156 SRC="/r0/download/1353724~a476903ca0d1dfbd39807a4f67d0a079/market.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : One thing we can't forget is that out of all this will come some big winners. Look at Jamie Dimon and JPM Chase. This guy is playing this whole situation like a stratovarius scooping up low priced assets and leaving the rest behind. <br><br>IMO, he's probably laughing his arse off at the price BofA paid for Merrill. You don't see JPM doing that. Wait till they fail and scoop em up.<br><br>Smart guy that Jamie Dimon is.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : this blow up didn't look scripted at all. If it was, they should quit what they do and go to hollywood because they don't need to take method acting classes.<br><br>Since things are so stressful, we can see politics being made (and it is ugly), and finance trying to right itself, it stands to reason the cnbc dog and pony show will show some cracks as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : You know, this whole 'crisis' is almost worth it just to see the GOP at each others throats.  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : The blow up's on CNBC are scripted in I think. Cramer plays his "the fed's know NOTHING>>NOTHING!!!" every chance he gets.<br><br>Lot's of emotions running wild out there right now..that's for sure.<br><br>In other news..Bush is going to be back on tv at 9:35 AM this morning. I guess the crisis has reached fever pitch. <br>I can't say I'd want to be a politician right now having to step into the front of this 700 Billion dollar train.<br>Their constituents must be ripping them to shreds over approving this if they do.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Rick Santelli blew up big time on CNBC, blew up at liesman and the line they were shoving at him.<br><br>I really like that guy. I hope he doesn't lose his job for it.<br><br>Should end up on youtube, it was a must watch.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Mentat <A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>FDIC Friday.  Get ready for some excitement today!<br> </div>Mentat, what's up with your job? :(<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><b>Mentat</b></A> : FDIC Friday.  Get ready for some excitement today!<br><small>--<br>Shoot all the clowns.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : ING I think is very strong, Wells claims to be but some people wonder how they escaped as they did do a lot of mortgage lending.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : Where do Wells Fargo and ING stand as of now?  Are they on the problem list?<br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>and guess what - WaMu was NOT on the FDIC problem institution list..<br> </div>True...but there are still 100+ on the list that are being watched and a few dozen that are in WaMu's position.<br>Over the next 6 months there are just as many mortgages resetting as there were last year.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : "Federal regulators said WaMu has suffered an exodus of $16.7 billion in deposits since Sept. 15, leaving the Seattle thrift "with insufficient liquidity to meet its obligations."<br><br>No bank can survive that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/business/26bailout.html?ref=politics" >www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/busin&middot;&middot;&middot;politics</A><br><br>Talks Implode During Day of Chaos; Fate of Bailout Plan Remains Unresolved<br><br>WASHINGTON &#151; The day began with an agreement that Washington hoped would end the financial crisis that has gripped the nation. It dissolved into a verbal brawl in the Cabinet Room of the White House, urgent warnings from the president and pleas from a Treasury secretary who knelt before the House speaker and appealed for her support.<br><br>&#147;If money isn&#146;t loosened up, this sucker could go down,&#148; President Bush declared Thursday as he watched the $700 billion bailout package fall apart before his eyes, according to one person in the room.<br><br>It was an implosion that spilled out from behind closed doors into public view in a way rarely seen in Washington. <br>---------------------------------------------<br>It seems like a bad dream....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ANGsBNMY1_c"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ANGsBNMY1_c" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANGsBNMY1_c" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANGsBNMY1_c</A></center><br><br><i>Congressman Peter DeFazio (D-Springfield) today announced he intends to introduce legislation to require that Wall Street pay for the financial bailout, rather than the general public. <br>President Bush has asked Congress to borrow $700 billion in the name of the American public to cover the illiquid assets of Wall Street. This level of borrowing would be a tremendous burden for taxpayers for years to come and there is no guarantee that this bailout will prevent future bailouts.<br><br>"The Administration's bailout proposal was written by and for Wall Street to skirt any consequences for its excesses." DeFazio said. "These people are out of touch with reality. Wall Street should pay to bailout itself, not hard working Americans who are already struggling to make ends meet. I voted against the Bush Administration's cowboy capitalism, markets know best, deregulation at all cost policies. And, we've just witnessed the stunning failure of those policies. The American public didn't create this problem, and they shouldn't be stuck with the tab. The bill lies at the feet of those who willfully, wantonly, and irresponsibly created this mess."<br><br>DeFazio's proposal would impose a modest one-quarter percent (0.25%) tax on financial transactions. This tax would fall most heavily where it belongs, on those who trade large quantities of stocks, day traders and speculators. The transfer tax would have a negligible impact on Americans who have retirement assets in 401-k plans. In the past, respected economists such as Larry Summers, John Maynard Keynes and Nobel prize winners Joseph Stiglitz and James Tobin have supported financial transaction taxes. Well known economist Dean Baker, Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, estimates a transaction tax along the lines of DeFazio's proposal could generate up to $150 billion a year.<br><br>There is considerable precedent for a transfer tax. The United States had a similar tax from 1914 to 1966. The Revenue Act of 1914 levied a 0.2% tax on all sales or transfers of stock. In 1932, Congress more than doubled the tax to help plug the holes from the Great Depression. And today the United Kingdom has a modest financial transaction tax of 0.25 percent, a penny on every $4 invested.</i><br><small>--<br>A is A</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : and guess what - WaMu was NOT on the FDIC problem institution list..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : So where was this bidding held...in the Oval Office?  :mad:<br>___________<br><br><b>With insufficient liquidity to meet its obligations, WaMu was in an unsafe and unsound condition to transact business.  The OTS closed the institution and appointed the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) as receiver.  The FDIC held the bidding process that resulted in the acquisition by JPMorgan Chase.</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ots.treas.gov/?p=PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=9c306c81-1e0b-8562-eb0c-fed5429a3a56" >www.ots.treas.gov/?p=PressReleas&middot;&middot;&middot;429a3a56</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : yeah its very interesting to politics and business interests so exposed.<br><br>Amazing to see how screwed up the bill got. I don't know about you guys but I buy the story from the panel: that house repubs tries to set McCain up as troubleshooter and when they had no need of him, they threw in their own spanner of a proposal. One that Paulson hadn't even heard of! incredible!!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Feds Seize Wamu...JPM Chase will buy it's assets.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080925/washington_mutual_future.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080925/washingt&middot;&middot;&middot;ure.html</A><br><br>Government 700 Billion dollar deal appears to stall...<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080925/financial_meltdown.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080925/financia&middot;&middot;&middot;own.html</A><br><br>Can you blame them? Politicians must be scared to death to sign off on that one the way these financial institutions are dropping like flies.<br><br>Right or wrong, I can't help but to get the sense that people are saying let them all burn in he** and let the shake out just happen the way it is happening.<br><br>This government has got to go after every single person they can who contributed to this whole mess. The scammers seem to be everywhere and when you read and contemplate the depth of this in stories like this link posted a few pages back..it is just really unreal to consider the depth of this crisis.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008194436_wamu220.html" >seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b&middot;&middot;&middot;220.html</A><br><br>I'm in the camp that says that doing something like the bailout will ultimately be better than doing nothing and the goverment stands a good chance of recouping all their money..but I certainly can't blame people for thinking otherwise. 700 Billion is a huge commitment and it's sickening to consider what we as taxpayers will be asked of to foot this bill. <br><br>Anyways..if this isn't financial history in the making..I don't know what is. <br><br>And not good history at that. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : It's been a fun play this week. I think I'll let it ride a little longer since the charts will probably stop looking the same way each day pretty soon.<br><br>I swore off penny stocks awhile back, but here I am again, meh.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : yes they will go up or down<br><br>I think it is impossible to say. But those stocks along with lehman and AIG are so volatile they might go up or down by 40% twice a day so who knows where they could be for a longer hold period.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Do you think stock prices for Freddie and Fannie will go up or down if the $700 billion package gets passed?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Seandhi <A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Get a safety deposit box at a bank.  <br> </div>Gotcha.  For some reason I thought there was something special one had to do with storing the metal itself.  I need a deposit box anyway.<br> </div>I am not aware of any special storage needs; though, I am not am expert.  With gold prices so high right now, make sure that you keep an eye on gold prices. Gold has the ability to, and likely will again, rapidly deflate ( like any other commodity ). <br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Seandhi <A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Get a safety deposit box at a bank.  <br> </div>Gotcha.  For some reason I thought there was something special one had to do with storing the metal itself.  I need a deposit box anyway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : There is almost a trillion dollars out there for grabs. Warren Buffett is just out there trying to get his share.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : And that's exactly what I said he was doing:  Acting in the best interest of Berkshire Hathaway and its shareholders.  That is his responsibility as CEO.  And, he does it better than anyone else on the planet.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Heaven help the youth of today when they are forced to experience a crash that they had nothing to do with causing it...The government and people like Buffett want to postpone it to save their own ass with no regard for future generations.. The GREED continues. They've learned NOTHING!  :mad: :mad:<br> </div>I'd have to disagree on Buffett.  To me, pledging 85%+ of one's fortune to charity is generally the opposite of greed.  I think he's probably just making moves that he thinks are in the best interest of Berkshire Hathaway.    <br> </div>Buffett goes on television today to plug the $700 billion dollar Paulson plan and goes on to say he wouldn't have put up anything if Paulson wasn't going to use $700 billion dollars of <b>taxpayers money</b>...So he only jumps in when he is guaranteed millions in a sweetheart back room deal that has close to a trillion dollars of taxpayers money behind it. <br> <br><b>"If I didn't think the government was going to act, I wouldn't have done anything,"</b> Buffett said Wednesday during an interview with the CNBC news network. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Time will tell how good Buffets Goldman deal was. As for me, right now..I'm pretty neutral on it overall. Yes, he bought it on favorable terms price wise compared to where it traded<br>the last couple of years but prior to 2006 this stock traded down to about 60 per share and I think one has to ask themselves is there really anything to prevent that from happening again? Everything about Goldman is growing more conservative..from their bank holding company status to more caution in many areas of the financial world they've operated in the last few years. And that very well might equal significantly lower profits. What drove goldman to the heights it was at was they've been a risk taker and it showed in how profitable they were. Prior to all this happening.<br><br>I think that people are also starting to question some of their statements the last few weeks. Wasn't supposedly everything ok with them according to management? Didn't they supposedly have plenty of capital to get by?<br>Why then do you start to do fire sales at these kinds of prices to raise what you supposedly didn't need?<br>And, take the very big leap into becoming a commercial bank holding company as well?<br><br>Did Warren Buffet have a positive impact the last day or two? Perhaps. But I think there's some real risk here for him as well in the weeks and months ahead. And, he could conceivably see his investment cut in half just as easy as have it go the other way.<br><br>He was smart to stay out of financials as long as he did..but..on the other hand..might still have been too early as far as this is all concerned.<br><br>Time will tell.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Heaven help the youth of today when they are forced to experience a crash that they had nothing to do with causing it...The government and people like Buffett want to postpone it to save their own ass with no regard for future generations.. The GREED continues. They've learned NOTHING!  :mad: :mad:<br> </div>I'd have to disagree on Buffett.  To me, pledging 85%+ of one's fortune to charity is generally the opposite of greed.  I think he's probably just making moves that he thinks are in the best interest of Berkshire Hathaway.    ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>When have we heard this before?<br> </div>You mean in the last month, or in the past eight years?<br><br> ;)<br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Basic premise of Bush's speech thus far:  Give us your money or the World will end.  When have we heard this before?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Really can't understand this acquisition.  <br> </div>GS was least exposed, or so they say. They have other complex stuff but perhaps not that much MBS.<br><br>He is getting 10% interest on his money, minimum, and a share of GS<br><br>He i getting preference shares (options) worth a whole lot more, so some calc his effective interest rate at 17%<br><br>His move increased the price so he already made a big profit on it...<br><br>he is counting on the government bailout as well which will definitely benefit GS.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : Maybe we could just confiscate all their BMW's and sell them to rich Chinese, Russian and Indian upperclass!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:04:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Buffett is the master of moving in when a sector or company has been beat down and when others are fleeing.  The financial sector has been pummeled. It makes sense that Buffett would take this as an opportunity to move in and clean up over the next few years.<br> </div>Buffett Buffett Buffett.. :huh:<br><br>It amazes me how the citizens of the country are now being led to believe that the entire U.S. financial system has to be saved by The U.S. Government and by Buffett.<br><br>The markets should be allowed to correct on its own and if that means companies crash then so be it..Those individuals and companies that have handled their finances in a responsible way will survive and those that have made moves based on nothing but greed should be wiped out...sure they can manipulate the market temporarily but sooner or later the market will do what it wants and needs to do..All they're doing now is postponing a crash until they leave office.<br><br>I shake my head how so many are saying Buffett is so smart by this what they are calling a gamble...Isn't it gambling that got us here in the first place? That along with The Fed lowering interest rates to keep the game going while driving the dollar into its grave...<br><br>Do you really think Buffett is doing this because he is smart? He is doing this for one reason and for one reason only..If he doesn't do this and the market crashes like it should then he would get killed....His investments would sink and he wouldn't be looking so smart after all..A market crash will take Buffett with it....Him and his American Express who is seeing their customers default left and right..<br><br>Amazing how earnings no longer mean shit any longer..The market is now owned and operated by the U.S. Government and now in part by Buffett! <br><br>Heaven help the youth of today when they are forced to experience a crash that they had nothing to do with causing it...The government and people like Buffett want to postpone it to save their own ass with no regard for future generations.. The GREED continues. They've learned NOTHING!  :mad: :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : Perhaps Buffett simply wants to be primary on any debts liquidated once the firm collapses. That way when they fail his Preferred Stock gives fim first pick of good securities to be liquidated.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Really can't understand this acquisition.  The 90-day delinquency figures continue to increase, so the sky's the limit on how many more people are going to hit foreclosure.  Anyone's guess, really, what these mortgage securities are actually worth.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:14:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I understand Buffett and his strategy, but as a BRK shareholder, I don't know how much I like it. <br> </div>Then you might like this news even less:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080924/bs_nm/us_buffett_aigbiz" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080924/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;t_aigbiz</A><br><div class="bquote">Billionaire investor Warren Buffett said on Wednesday his Berkshire Hathaway Inc insurance and investment company would consider buying some units from American International Group Inc, the insurer bailed out by the U.S. government. <br><br>"Some of those units, most of those units, I believe, will be for sale over the next year or two, and we would be interested in a couple of them," he said. Buffett did not give details.<br><br>Working with what was a year-end cash pile of $44.33 billion at Berkshire, Buffett spent $5 billion Tuesday to buy Goldman Sachs Group Inc preferred stock.<br><br>In the CNBC interview, Buffett said he prefers acquisitions to holding cash, saying the latter is like "saving sex for your old age."</div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:43:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1579253"><b>Mickeyme</b></A> : Another thing to keep in mind is that Buffett can afford to lose that money, as he just writes it off as a loss if it takes a nose dive.<br>Rich people never lose money!<br> :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I understand Buffett and his strategy, but as a BRK shareholder, I don't know how much I like it.  The company already has a relatively significant exposure to the financial industry with WFC, USB, AXP, etc.  Plus, you wonder if a better deal could have been had down the road if Goldman really got into dire straits.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:14:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It truly is amazing that just the news Buffett is investing in GS sends investors in a frenzy.  I was wondering if he was going to jump into financials at any point.<br> </div>Buffett is the master of moving in when a sector or company has been beat down and when others are fleeing.  The financial sector has been pummeled. It makes sense that Buffett would take this as an opportunity to move in and clean up over the next few years.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:03:21 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : It truly is amazing that just the news Buffett is investing in GS sends investors in a frenzy.  I was wondering if he was going to jump into financials at any point.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:59:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The price action was weird during the day: GS big down then in the afternoon it started going sideways despite  the slide in the market.. and then at closing bell it shot up unexpectedly. Inside information rocks if you are blessed with it, I guess..<br><br>Luckily we have that genius Cox at the SEC ready to send in his shock troops and stage a floor arrest, just like the movie Wall Street showed.<br> </div>Looks like some people got the Buffett news before it was announced. The big jump in the last 15 mins of the session wasn't a coincidence.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:51:41 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : i got screwed by this. Ok it was speculative, but i took out some puts on GS today. The price action was weird during the day: GS big down then in the afternoon it started going sideways despite  the slide in the market.. and then at closing bell it shot up unexpectedly. Inside information rocks if you are blessed with it, I guess..<br><br>Luckily we have that genius Cox at the SEC ready to send in his shock troops and stage a floor arrest, just like the movie Wall Street showed.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:42:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080923/bs_nm/us_goldmansachs_buffett5" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080923/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;buffett5</A><br><div class="bquote">Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc will invest $5 billion in Goldman Sachs Group Inc, in a major boost for the Wall Street bank from perhaps the world's best-known investor. <br><br>Berkshire will buy $5 billion of perpetual preferred stock that carries a 10 percent dividend. It also will receive warrants to buy $5 billion of common stock, or 43.5 million shares, at $115 per share, within five years, which could give it a roughly 9 percent stake in Goldman.<br><br>"Goldman Sachs is an exceptional institution," Buffett said in a statement. "It has an unrivaled global franchise, a proven and deep management team and the intellectual and financial capital to continue its track record of outperformance."</div>A 10% dividend on the preferred shares is a nice return for Buffett<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : A trillion dollar bailout costs $7100 per taxpayer.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:03:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>It still irks me the power that has been given to non-elected officials during this whole fiasco.    <br> </div>It comes proxy of an executive administration that has grabbed quite a bit of power during his elected term. American voters enabled this.<br> </div>I consider myself to not favor one political party over the other.  Yet, Bush is driving me crazy with this prodding of congress and "the whole world is watching" banter.  To me it would be more alarming if this was just run through without any debate.  And, I don't think what is being asked for is unreasonable:  Help for homeowners and limitations on executive salaries for those companies bailed out.  We're not going to get any of the $700 billion back on those "bad assets" if all the homeowners of the underlying mortgages get foreclosed on.  And, is it terribly unreasonable to ask executives of failed companies to take a paycut?       ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : I was wondering that exactly. What is the worse case scenario? <br><br>Jobs Lost?<br>Corporate bankruptcies?<br><br>Maybe someone will grow a pair in the senate and filibuster this baby.<br><br>Finally some blowback. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080923/D93CKBG01.html" >apnews.myway.com/article/2008092&middot;&middot;&middot;G01.html</A><br><br>"This massive bailout is not a solution. It is financial socialism and it's un-American," said Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky.<br><br>[edit] Career stats<br>W L PCT ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H ER R HR BB IBB SO WP HBP BK <br>224 184 .549 3.27 591 519 151 40 16 3,760.1 3,433 1,366 1,527 372 1,000 98 2,855 47 160 8 <br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheRul <A HREF="/useremail/u/1487982"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  fartness <A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>If this $700 billion bailout doesn't get passed, will the economy really be worse off?<br> </div>The answer to that is yes.  The trick will be where will this 700 billion come from.  Will it just be printed?  Or is it going to come from the closing of gov programs, and next year's budget?  Or maybe the gov will just get into the drug business and tax us.  <br><br>Or maybe... They will figure out that if they enforce the laws, some people will not be soaking up the welfare, and we might actually be in the black.  <br><br>But then again, maybe not.<br> </div>Corporate welfare is precisely what this package is meant to deliver.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487982"><b>TheRul</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  fartness <A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If this $700 billion bailout doesn't get passed, will the economy really be worse off?<br> </div>The answer to that is yes.  The trick will be where will this 700 billion come from.  Will it just be printed?  Or is it going to come from the closing of gov programs, and next year's budget?  Or maybe the gov will just get into the drug business and tax us.  <br><br>Or maybe... They will figure out that if they enforce the laws, some people will not be soaking up the welfare, and we might actually be in the black.  <br><br>But then again, maybe not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  fartness <A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If this $700 billion bailout doesn't get passed, will the economy really be worse off?<br> </div>It will get passed with marginal benefit to the economy and total destruction to the value of the dollar.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anyone know of a good place to buy online, or have any other helpful hints?<br> </div>How much gold can you eat?<br><small>--<br>A is A</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Seandhi <A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anyone know about buying gold bullion?  A few years back I started keeping a few thousand in cash in my home out of fear of some sort of financial terrorism, and that I wouldn't be able to get cash from my bank.  Now I'm thinking it might be smarter to have some gold lying around instead.  I was looking at Monex online, but wasn't sure about the pricing, etc.  Anyone know of a good place to buy online, or have any other helpful hints?<br> </div>There are also local gold exchangers that will offer market value for gold.  Do a Google search for your area.  I know you're wanting to buy online, but I would guess that the safest bet would be in person.<br><br>Here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS289US289&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Gold+Dealer+Rye,+New+York&fb=1&view=text&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1" >maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1&middot;&middot;&middot;lts&cd=1</A><br> </div>How about storage of bullion?  Any special requirements?<br> </div>Get a safety deposit box at a bank.  <br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Seandhi <A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anyone know about buying gold bullion?  A few years back I started keeping a few thousand in cash in my home out of fear of some sort of financial terrorism, and that I wouldn't be able to get cash from my bank.  Now I'm thinking it might be smarter to have some gold lying around instead.  I was looking at Monex online, but wasn't sure about the pricing, etc.  Anyone know of a good place to buy online, or have any other helpful hints?<br> </div>There are also local gold exchangers that will offer market value for gold.  Do a Google search for your area.  I know you're wanting to buy online, but I would guess that the safest bet would be in person.<br><br>Here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS289US289&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Gold+Dealer+Rye,+New+York&fb=1&view=text&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1" >maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1&middot;&middot;&middot;lts&cd=1</A><br> </div>How about storage of bullion?  Any special requirements?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : One trillion dollar bailout divided by 138,893,908 taxpayers is <b>$7199.74 per taxpayer</b>.  Just sit and think about that for a minute.  Yes, some of the money will be recouped, but don't hang your hat on that providing too much relief.<br><br>A trillion is a <i>million</i> millions.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Most US currency is never actually printed and just exists in people's accounts and stuff.  If Bill Gates withdrew his total net worth in cash, he would wipe out one-third of all US paper currency.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1306614"><b>SipSizzurp</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Dropping $700 billion in new money on the market at once is like a economic nuclear bomb to the value of the dollar.</div>The $700 billion in new money is not what bothers me. What hurts me is the amount of cash they consumed to print it all. Where are all the environmentalists at by the way ? Think of all the trees they had to cut down to make all that money. <b>Seven Hundred Billion Dollars</b> is a lot of fucking paper ....<br>:(<br><small>--<br>I spent <b><i>most</i></b> of my money on Women and Beer, and the rest I just wasted !</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Anyone know about buying gold bullion?  A few years back I started keeping a few thousand in cash in my home out of fear of some sort of financial terrorism, and that I wouldn't be able to get cash from my bank.  Now I'm thinking it might be smarter to have some gold lying around instead.  I was looking at Monex online, but wasn't sure about the pricing, etc.  Anyone know of a good place to buy online, or have any other helpful hints?<br> </div>There are also local gold exchangers that will offer market value for gold.  Do a Google search for your area.  I know you're wanting to buy online, but I would guess that the safest bet would be in person.<br><br>Here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS289US289&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=Gold+Dealer+Rye,+New+York&fb=1&view=text&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1" >maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1&middot;&middot;&middot;lts&cd=1</A><br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : ebay.<br>Seriously.<br>Just monitor the gold bar auctions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Anyone know about buying gold bullion?  A few years back I started keeping a few thousand in cash in my home out of fear of some sort of financial terrorism, and that I wouldn't be able to get cash from my bank.  Now I'm thinking it might be smarter to have some gold lying around instead.  I was looking at Monex online, but wasn't sure about the pricing, etc.  Anyone know of a good place to buy online, or have any other helpful hints?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>A ban on short-selling might very well be the closest thing we'll ever get to an admission that large financial institutions have bought their way into our government.<br> </div>Anticipatory movement clearly, but I think its going to get even worse than that.  Dropping $700 billion in new money on the market at once is like a economic nuclear bomb to the value of the dollar.  Grocery prices are getting ridiculous!  It was not so long ago that $4 for a gallon of milk would have been ridiculously exorbitant, now its a "good deal"!<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They just waved a wand and made goldman and morgan BANKs.<br><br>just like that.<br><br>Because they couldn't cope as investment banks, the fed just invited them to become fully fledged banks.<br><br>Unbelievable. Crony capitalism.<br> </div>This is not just a retreat.  It also gives them permanent access to the discount window, something they had been granted recently only on a temporary basis.  Now they can milk the discount window non-stop to soak up all their losses in the mortgages.<br><br>They had been running 30-1 borrowing:assets ratio, something that only investment banks are allowed to do.  As a regular bank, they will be forced into sub 8:1 ratio, so at least it should put a leash on their future danger-plays...meanwhile the taxpayer and the dollar-holder is going to get totally soaked cleaning up the vomit they spewed all over the floor.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : Home flipping WAMU<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008194436_wamu220.html" >seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/b&middot;&middot;&middot;220.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Oil touched $130 .. dunno if it'll stay there or go higher.<br>But clearly oil == gold now.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:33:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : A ban on short-selling might very well be the closest thing we'll ever get to an admission that large financial institutions have bought their way into our government.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : When everyone was beating up on WM I picked up some Oct 11 Calls for a quick one, two day bounce fling..Today I get this huge red warning box when going to one of my trading accounts...( also went for Jan 87 Calls on USO when everyone was bashing oil and being bearish and that is panning out real well and did so very quickly)<br><br>Before you know it, Bush will give an executive order that stocks will never be allowed to go down, only UP... Halliburton soon to be classified as a bank...After all, all those no bid millions they received will now classify them as a banking concern. <br><br>Rumor has it over at Belmont Raceway a couple of loansharks put in to The Fed for bail-outs due to a higher number of than usual of their customers have defaulted on paying back what they borrowed.  :)<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21149753?c=1352386&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="13984 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=107 SRC="/r0/download/1352386.thumb600~1590d04ec48b11fd8a80dd5a6b4fbee7/wmoilcallssept.PNG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>breaking: apparently GE is now a financial institution, not a company that makes turbines and so on. They got added to "you can't sell this" list this morning.<br> </div>To be fair, GE does have a rather large financial division.<br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Personally, I think this is a good move because it will require more oversight and less leverage on these firms.<br>That's the price they're going to pay in order to become more like a JPM Chase and Citi. perhaps in a different...more retail oriented way.<br> </div>Investment banking will now be regulated just like regular banking:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/brave-new-world-financial-markets/story.aspx?guid={2E98DC49-EA62-4E89-AB3B-3138273C3A65}" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/b&middot;&middot;&middot;73C3A65}</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>breaking: apparently GE is now a financial institution, not a company that makes turbines and so on. They got added to "you can't sell this" list this morning.<br> </div>Don't you mean they were protected from the short seller sharks? &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ge-gm-amex-amended-short-sale/story.aspx?guid={C450E70E-0D1C-4375-A968-C357298C1725}&dist=msr_6" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/g&middot;&middot;&middot;st=msr_6</A><br><br>P.S.> GM was added to the list too.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Goldman and Morgan haven't operated much differently than most banks anyway for the last decade. The lines started blurring 10 to 15 years ago when banks and non banks started getting into each others businesses anyway. Go into your local bank and they're trying to sell you on securities..and the Goldmans of the world have all been in the checkwriting and bill paying business in response.<br><br>Personally, I think this is a good move because it will require more oversight and less leverage on these firms.<br>That's the price they're going to pay in order to become more like a JPM Chase and Citi. For the firms themselves, it will probably allow them to remain independent and create more stability in terms of how they're viewed.<br><br>Technically speaking though, it's going to be a lot of business as usual for them, but presented perhaps in a different...more retail oriented way.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : breaking: apparently GE is now a financial institution, not a company that makes turbines and so on. They got added to "you can't sell this" list this morning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It still irks me the power that has been given to non-elected officials during this whole fiasco.    <br> </div>It comes proxy of an executive administration that has grabbed quite a bit of power during his elected term. American voters enabled this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : It still irks me the power that has been given to non-elected officials during this whole fiasco.    ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : i think it is clear by now they are prepared to change any rules that might get in the way of prosperity for those companies. Paulson has already said he will fight hard to block any move to limit executive compensation for firms that have to be bailed out.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : Bailout or not, the public would demand tighter regulations on these investment firms. <br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20804963-Left-Align-the-Forum-Column">Left Align the Forum Column</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>They just waved a wand and made goldman and morgan BANKs.<br><br>just like that.<br><br>Because they couldn't cope as investment banks, the fed just invited them to become fully fledged banks.<br> </div>But they also just locked themselves in to tighter regulations from the FED. Regulations that will get even tighter once the Congress starts passing newer laws regulating banks in reaction to all the failures.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/brave-new-world-financial-markets/story.aspx?guid={2E98DC49-EA62-4E89-AB3B-3138273C3A65}" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/b&middot;&middot;&middot;73C3A65}</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : They just waved a wand and made goldman and morgan BANKs.<br><br>just like that.<br><br>Because they couldn't cope as investment banks, the fed just invited them to become fully fledged banks.<br><br>Unbelievable. Crony capitalism.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/457347"><b>TeatherWind</b></A> : While I understand that they needed to be bailed out, the part that chaps my hide is those walking away with a nice size paycheck when their company is taking my tax dollars. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : -- that makes me sick! And did you read about the millions that the top folks at Lehman will be making? ugh!<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20804963-Left-Align-the-Forum-Column">Left Align the Forum Column</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Just reading the WSJ, and saw that members of the banking industry feel the government should buy their toxic assets at what they are valued at on the corporations books.  <br><br>It is amazing to me that the greed never ceases.  They have a life line being thrown to them, and they still want to squeeze out every last penny.  If these corporations really feel these assets are worth as much as what they have on their balance sheet than they should have no problem holding onto them indefinitely or finding a buyer for them on their own.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : I still don't think we are out of the woods. We have to be able to sell 700 billion in additional debt. Who wants it? The Chinese? One of the problems with the SS trust fund was all the shorter termed treasury debt that was due, and I never heard anyone say that SS needed a trillion dollars to make it solvent. How do we service this additional debt?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It's bad business practice to loan money to a failing business. The fact that it's a government loan shouldn't change that.<br> </div>Yep, never throw good money after bad money.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : Which is precisely what I expect will happen. It's bad business practice to loan money to a failing business. The fact that it's a government loan shouldn't change that.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : We won't know that for sure until we see what the profit is twenty years from now.  Regardless, any profit is better than shelling out a trillion dollars and getting none of it back.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:36:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : That small profit returned years down the road will be wiped out by inflation. Thus, the problem gets worse and not better.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 13:29:39 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : If history repeats itself, most likely a small profit will be made on all the money that is being dished out.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : Oh but President Bush expects it to be paid back. Just what exactly makes him so confident that it will be paid back, considering the entire reason these banks are getting money is because they can't make their obligations?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : To fund this 'Bad Bank' solution the U.S. is going to have to borrow $700 billion to $1 trillion.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/economy/sec_short_selling/?postversion=2008091907" >money.cnn.com/2008/09/19/news/ec&middot;&middot;&middot;08091907</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Seandhi <A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>it could cause a depression</div>There <b>will</b> be economic depression, it's only a matter of time. The question now is just who will feel it. The super wealthy know that if they are to avoid it they need these bailouts.<br><br>They have successfully convinced our government that they should get our money when they make bad decisions.I can't believe more people aren't absolutely livid about what has transpired in the last two days. The people in this country have gone to war over far less.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The big question though is where would we have been without all these government initiatives?<br> </div>On our way to financial meltdown, but with new solutions that would enact real change in the system.  Instead, we have socialism that will only delay the inevitable economic collapse.<br><br>How is it right for these banks to completely mismanage their businesses without any consequences?  If my business fails, who is going to bail me out?  Nobody!  We, the American taxpayers, are adding to our ever increasing national debt, which will have to be payed off some day, and all you can talk about is how the stock market is up 8%, barely regaining what it lost, making absolutely no gains since August, down overall for the year.  How are you not livid at the situation?  I can't type this without my blood boiling.  <br><br>The solution is to let these people fail.  It will hurt, it will cause an economic upheaval, it could cause a depression, but at least we could get it over now instead of delaying it for our children to deal with.<br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : The big question though is where would we have been without all these government initiatives?<br><br>The market has held up pretty well all things considered.<br>Even the drop from 14k to 11k wasn't all that much when you consider the run up over the last decade. Some would say it was even a normal pullback.<br><br>That wouldn't have happened without the government intervening. While it certainly can be debated whether each step was right or wrong...I do think that each step of the way they've taken as reasonable steps as possible to insure taxpayers got the best deal possible. AIG shareholders were all but wiped out. The same with Fannie and Freddie.<br>These were far from perfect solutions but no perfect solution existed. The ramifications of not acting are one's we'll never know however and undoubtedly taxpayers would have paid in many other ways that they won't now.<br>I mean..do you just let an AIG die along with hundreds of thousands of jobs? We'd ALL pay for that in other ways..in unemployment benefits. And new classes of homeless people living on the streets and welfare and social programs.<br>It's so easy to say we shouldn't have bailed them out..but the alternative on the other hand..is such a big unknown.<br><br>Do I like it? No way. I hate the idea of a democracy bailing out private companies. And expressed that in a post above. But..I don't have a better idea and so I'll respect the governments as much as possible. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : at the start of sep, coming down off 11700, we had pretty much all the same problems, but none of these government initiatives. Now we have all the same problems plus a whole pile of government money thrown at the problem and todays apparently brilliant solution, and .. things are still just going sideways ..<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21136639?c=1351287&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="3062 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=235 HEIGHT=190 SRC="/r0/download/1351287~ea3dc39ca0b2f6b5f17abddec1f0e9a4/file.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:14:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Not impressive? I'd call a 2 day 8% gain in the S&P astounding. <br><br>Yes, it does take the market back to last thurs. or Friday but considering the news that took the market down the last few days..it's impressive that anything could take it back up this much.<br><br>Anyways..I'm enjoying the run up in my positions so it's impressive enough for me.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:43:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Dead cat bounce due to shorts getting squeeeezed.<br> </div>no way is this just attributed to that. You have companies now able to buy their own stock at the open as well as a HUGE amount of cash that has been sitting in money funds waiting to be invested. People don't want to miss the rally and are putting some of that money to work back into the market.<br> </div>It isn't as impressive a rise (so far) as you make it sound.<br>Up 2% (nasdaq) to 4% (S&P)? we're not even back to friday.<br><br>I think the market is up ONLY because Paulson is promising more cocaine for monday. The fear is that what has been said so far is all there is going to be..<br><br>In the end, the market wants the government to buy the bad debt for more than it is worth. If the government falls short of this largesse, market will crash downwards in shock.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : The problem with short selling is that the SEC let the manipulators abuse/ignore the short selling regulations. And that got even worse starting July 2007 when they removed the uptick rule.<br><br>While short selling has some good reasons to exist, the abuses have created a system where some could make more money destroying the financial systems than in just keeping the "everything is rosy" crowd in check.<br><br>There is a nice writeup here on the MarketWatch.com web site laying out the pros and cons of short selling and the abuses that has led countries worldwide to finally start a crack down:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/short-selling-crosshairs-world-market/story.aspx?guid={847BE423-0EA2-4805-8CCB-E703600108E6}&dist=TQP_Mod_mktwN" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/s&middot;&middot;&middot;od_mktwN</A><br><br>And  a good article on the abusers:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.investopedia.com/articles/analyst/030102.asp?partner=answers" >www.investopedia.com/articles/an&middot;&middot;&middot;=answers</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : It's because these assholes are profiting from it. They don't care who it hurts as long as they get their selfish spoils.<br><br>It's a self-defeating prophecy and they would know it if they stopped for a minute to think about it. They're just too focused on their short-term wants to realize they they're fucking their long-term needs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/801264"><b>Seandhi</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>S&P futures up almost 65 points! <br> </div>Yep, and why not? American investors were just promised a virtually unlimited amount of taxpayer dollars.<br><br>Redistribution of wealth at its finest.<br> </div>And yet, it doesn't draw the same ire that redistribution in the other direction brings.  Well, from me it does...<br><small>--<br>You're an enlightened cat, and I dig that.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Dead cat bounce due to shorts getting squeeeezed.<br> </div>no way is this just attributed to that. You have companies now able to buy their own stock at the open as well as a HUGE amount of cash that has been sitting in money funds waiting to be invested. People don't want to miss the rally and are putting some of that money to work back into the market.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><b>Mentat</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  avd706 <A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Dead cat bounce due to shorts getting squeeeezed.<br> </div>Fuckin' a.<br><br>When this bubble bursts after the 2nd, I'm going to enjoy shorting MS and GS into the ground.<br><br>This is really outrageous, what right do these banks have to be thrown lifeline after lifeline?  How about rewarding the working people that follow the rules for once?<br><br>This whole no-short shit will fuel a nice, juicy bull rally for a while.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  JSRoman <A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>09:00 am : S&P futures vs fair value: +58.60. Nasdaq futures vs fair value: +65.30. <br><br>Lift off in 11 minutes.<br> </div>Asia & Europe up huge today.<br>[att=1]<br>[att=2]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21135738?c=1351233&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="54323 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=426 HEIGHT=357 SRC="/r0/download/1351233~ae6542a2068ac2973e4fe6dcf4e95200/euro.JPG"></A></TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21135738?c=1351234&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="52719 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=429 HEIGHT=363 SRC="/r0/download/1351234~876cf5286ee96e94d8842d13c831e486/asia.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>S&P futures up almost 65 points! <br> </div>Yep, and why not? American investors were just promised a virtually unlimited amount of taxpayer dollars.<br><br>Redistribution of wealth at its finest.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766601"><b>avd706</b></A> : Dead cat bounce due to shorts getting squeeeezed.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Anyone short this market this morning is going to burn in HE**!<br><br>Glad i've been buying back my funds this month!<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : 09:00 am : S&P futures vs fair value: +58.60. Nasdaq futures vs fair value: +65.30. <br><br>Lift off in 11 minutes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope everyone else is as excited as I am at the prospect of being part owners of mortgage backed securities!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080918/financial_crisis.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080918/financia&middot;&middot;&middot;sis.html</A><br> </div>All I could see on my drive in to work this morning was red, and it wasn't the brake lights in front of me. I'm absolutely fuming.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Washington D.C on the phone begging China and other countries not to stop buying out debt or "you'll cause us to crash"....You can do anything you want..You want to invade Taiwan? No problem, go ahead, we'll look the other way just don't stop buying our debt.<br><br>This is for July...just imagine what Aug and now Sept will look like.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1138.htm" >www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1138.htm</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:21:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Found this:<br><br>Does the proposed Barclays acquisition of Lehman Brothers include its index business?<br><br>As part of the proposed Barclays acquisition of the assets of Lehman Brothers North American investment banking and capital markets operations, Barclays will become the sponsor of the Lehman indices upon the completion of the acquisition.<br><br>Recognizing the industry significance of these indices, Barclays has committed to maintaining the family of Lehman indices and the associated index calculation, publication and index analytical infrastructure and tools.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:10:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I was wondering that.<br>I suppose whomever buys the bond units gets the rights to continue running the indexes?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:28:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Stupid question...what happens to the mutual funds/ETFs that track Lehman indexes?  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:26:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The massive rescue will happen, because it has to.  This is going to get solved.<br> </div>Didn't they say that before the great depression as well? or before german hyperinflation? <br><br>I'm not suggesting we're yet at that stage, but it seems silly to think crashes are simply impossible and unthinkable now and no matter how dire the problem is it will get solved "because it has to".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : The massive rescue will happen, because it has to.  This is going to get solved.<br><br>As much as some would desire otherwise, events don't happen in a vacuum with a linear progression to economic collapse.  There are many variables in play that can't be conveniently dismissed for ideological reasons.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:24:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I hope everyone else is as excited as I am at the prospect of being part owners of mortgage backed securities!<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080918/financial_crisis.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080918/financia&middot;&middot;&middot;sis.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:06:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  alg <A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Watching the charts for the last few days is giving me motion sickness.<br> </div>I agree. Imagine if you had closed out a lot of positions(mutual funds) yesterday at closing prices.<br><br>[att=1]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21132453?c=1350978&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="43114 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=229 SRC="/r0/download/1350978.thumb600~1c36fb740eb368d6f6c4ec713e35b1b1/index5d.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:57:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : Watching the charts for the last few days is giving me motion sickness.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;l_street</A><br> <div class="bquote">Wall Street had a stunning late-session turnaround Thursday, shooting higher and hurtling the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government may create an entity that will take over banks' bad debt.<br><br>The report on CNBC said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering the formation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was set up after the failure of savings and loan banks in the 1980s.<br><br>Investors were cheered by the notion of a huge federal intervention like the establishment of RTC to acquire the real estate debt that has hobbled financial institutions and led to the intense volatility in the markets this week.<br><br>If there's an RTC-like entity, "it's going to take a lot of the bad debt off the balance sheets of these companies," said Scott Fullman, director of derivatives investment strategy for WJB Capital Group in New York. That would alleviate many of the pressures causing the credit crisis, he said, and open up the credit markets again. But Fullman noted, "the devil's in the details."<br><br>In late afternoon trading, the Dow soared 411.66, or 3.88 percent, to 11,021.32.<br><br>Broader stock indicators also jumped. The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 48.85, or 4.22 percent, to 1,205.24, and the Nasdaq composite index advanced 95.07, or 4.53 percent, to 2,193.92.<br></div>All US Markets up huge at the close.<br>[att=1]<br><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21131861?c=1350973&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="20921 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=382 HEIGHT=132 SRC="/r0/download/1350973~aee561d2e459f6f686df5621135d6385/index.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:27:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : China to buy majority stake in Morgan Stanley<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ao0BD9Zuhy3E&refer=home" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;fer=home</A><br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20804963-Left-Align-the-Forum-Column">Left Align the Forum Column</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:53:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>how is this not inflationary?<br> </div>Of course it's inflationary. This is the inherent flaw to fiat systems: discipline. Its value is derived from its scarcity. What good is a fiat currency if it can simply be augmented on a whim?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:33:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : The easiest way for inflation to take hold is to simply print money..<br><br>Is this the same thing? or not? <br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>The federal government has pledged eye-popping amounts &#151; more than $600 billion in the past year &#151; to bail out, or help bail out, some of the biggest names in American finance. The latest was American International Group Inc.<br><br>Now the credit crisis is starting to tax even the Federal Reserve's deep resources.<br><br>On Wednesday, the central bank took the unprecedented step of asking the Treasury Department to sell debt on behalf of the Fed. The first of those auctions raised $40 billion, and two more to raise an additional $60 billion are scheduled for Thursday.<hr></blockquote><br><br>if the treasury keeps "selling debt" to "raise money" is there any limit? how is this not inflationary?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:49:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Why the hell would Morgan Stanley want to merge with Wachovia.  That's like the blind leading the blind.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 19:08:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Don't worry everyone, according to John McCain the foundation of the economy is sound. ;)<br> </div>If he means that people aren't yet rioting in the streets, then he's correct.  :D<br><small>--<br>"I love mankind.  It's people I can't stand."<br><br>                     --L. van Pelt</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:24:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Don't worry everyone, according to John McCain the foundation of the economy is sound. ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:58:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=afHpbKGjxqZI" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;bKGjxqZI</A><br><br>WAMU is officially on the block<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r20804963-Left-Align-the-Forum-Column">Left Align the Forum Column</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:53:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/842201"><b>GeorgeCr</b></A> : In mother Russia shares own you!<br><br>Morgan Stanley down 35%<br>Goldman down 24%<br><br>One of the main UK banks (HBOS) is trading at just 17.6% of peak value.<br><br> :(<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/helix">Team Helix</a> | <A HREF="http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/seti">SETI</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:28:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : The market is very ugly today. Goldman down 20% ? 20% !! in an hour or so .. and gold up $55 also in a very fast jump. Russian market is locked up.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:00:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/823721"><b>PhoenixDown</b></A> : FDIC may not have enough cash to cover another bank failure<br><br>Story is from yesterday on Yahoo.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080916/ap_on_bi_ge/bank_deposits_safety" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080916/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;s_safety</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <b>Money Market Fund Redemptions Frozen</b><br><br>One of the original and largest money market funds has put a seven-day freeze on investor redemptions after the net asset value of its shares fell below $1, in a rare instance in the fund industry of what is called "breaking the buck."<br><br> "This appears to be the first case where a retail investor will lose money in a money market fund."<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/money-market-fund-breaks-buck/story.aspx?guid=%7B56A2CEE5%2D5A53%2D4A27%2DA4BA%2D585CFBE173A4%7D" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/m&middot;&middot;&middot;173A4%7D</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1016580"><b>SkiJunkie</b></A> : I'm sweating bullets.  :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : FEDS TRY TO FIND A BUYER FOR WAMU<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/business/feds_try_to_find_a_buyer_for_wamu_129499.htm" >www.nypost.com/seven/09172008/bu&middot;&middot;&middot;9499.htm</A><br><br>"The fate of Washington Mutual remained in question yesterday as federal regulators recently called a number of banks asking if they would consider buying the nation's largest savings and loan should it eventually falter, sources told The Post. "<br><br>Sucks to be Wamu and Wachovia right now. FED is done and these two are going to go down in a blaze of glory.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.seabee.navy.mil" >www.seabee.navy.mil</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I can't wait to see the final tally someday of what Uncle Sam is really able to sell their 85 Billion in AIG assets for.<br><br>The reason so few private companies are stepping up to the plate is because they know that waiting a few days will bring about some incredible results in terms of what they can then buy assets for.<br><br>Look at Barclays who was in talks with Lehman prior to their Bk. filing. They walked away from those talks...let them fail, then step in and buy their entire investment bank and capital operations for a cool 250 million. It's why it's almost humorous that BofA stepped up to the plate and paid a 70% premium for Merrill. You have to REALLY hand it to Merrill CEO for pulling off that sale of a lifetime in this climate. <br><br>How much do you want to bet that now Warren Buffets on the phone with Uncle Sam offering..oh, say a billion for Aig's U.S. Insurance operations? These people KNOW that this is a fire sale and our government has no intention at all of holding onto these things. Orderly unwinding = foreclosure sale. All the U.S. is doing in absorbing these companies is transferring that liability to taxpayers. <br><br>While I agreed with the fannie/freddie intervention because of the relationship that has always been there with the government..the government is now clearly crossing the line and entering into the private markets. While the results of an AIG failure can be devastating and affect many people including myself who have insurance relationships with them, I just don't see how that transfers into the U.S. government stepping in and making all taxpayers pay for it.<br>I think that people in this country are entitled to have their deposits at banks insured, because that was the agreement. Not to have our 3 months car insurance payments protected. It's going way too far and literally changing our form of government. Meanwhile, the ones who will benefit are those who will now swoop down and scoop up these assets..at taxpayers expense..for pennies on the dollar. <br><br>Because make no mistake about it. That is what they will be paying. And someday..that taxpayer loss of probably 50 to 60 billion or more will just be old news. And added to this nations deficit to be passed along to our children and grandchildren. <br><br>This government must not bail out one more single solitary private company. It's changing our country and way of life.<br>And, if that means an AIG must fail and the market fall 1000 points the next day..then so be it. I'll cry about that along with everyone else in the market..but know that I'm still part of a democracy..and free enterprise system.<br><br>It's really how it should be.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Bush himself was in on the AIG talks and when he suddenly cancelled his scheduled press conference to discuss the tumultuous financial markets, like magic the market started to rally.<br><br>Spokesman Tony Fratto said only, "We decided it would be best to limit public comment about markets today." He declined to offer any explanation.<br><br><b>A senior administration official confirmed Tuesday evening that the AIG proposal was discussed at Bush's meeting with his financial working group at the White House.</b>The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the private session.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_markets" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;_markets</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Well, Roubini does say that they either nationalize the mortgage or nationalize the banks...so they are nationalizing all these impacted firms.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I guess the government only bails out every other organization that fails.<br> </div>I think they are learning on the job.<br><br>First they tried arranging marriages at the point of the gun (Bear) and got roasted for moral hazard.<br><br>Then they tried ring fencing and letting the institution burn to the ground (Leh) but worried that this was just encouraging the shorts to move to the next in line.<br><br>Now they are trying to clean out the stock holders as "punishment", while the bond holders get paid off, the government runs it until it winds down, and executives escape imprisonment.<br><br>They should stop meddling and let these things burn to the ground, and let bill gross swear and curse all he likes. Out of the ashes will come a better system. Money men are not stupid, they are arbitraging the tax payer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  digitalfutur <A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Technically it's just a loan guarantee as AIGs assets are going to be sold off in an orderly fashion to pay back most of the loan.<br> </div>AIG searched seemingly forever for an infusion and couldn't find one.  Even Warren Buffet couldn't find value in it.  Now, the government is going to be able to line buyers up for a piece?  And even if they can find buyers, what about the half-trillion dollars in CDSs that face potentially substantial losses?  No one is going to touch those securities.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Well...look at it this way. At least Uncle Sam isn't overpaying. I mean...85 billion for 80% of this company is a steal compared to the "fortune" that Barclays is paying for Lehmans assets.   :uhh:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080916/lehman_barclays_deal.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080916/lehman_b&middot;&middot;&middot;eal.html</A><br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172669"><b>digitalfutur</b></A> : Well, if the organization is big enough, not bailing out would be worse and we'd be hearing complaints of how the government screwed up the markets.  Each case is assessed individually for risk/benefit.<br><br>One of the roles of government is to prevent cascading financial failures as happened in the early 1930s when it failed to act. Technically it's just a loan guarantee as AIGs assets are going to be sold off in an orderly fashion to pay back most of the loan.<br><small>--<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.  "Walk the Talk".</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I guess the government only bails out every other organization that fails.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1171845"><b>JSRoman</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>you all now own aig, bailing out the bondholders. Ain't that grand.<br>Fanfredaigwamu inc ticker "USA"<br> </div>Fanfredaigwamuwb inc - You forgot Wachovia.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>you all now own aig, bailing out the bondholders. Ain't that grand.<br>Fanfredaigwamu inc ticker "USA"<br> </div>Unbelievable. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>you all now own aig, bailing out the bondholders. Ain't that grand.<br>Fanfredaigwamu inc ticker "USA"<br> </div>The Federal Reserve said in a statement it determined that a disorderly failure of AIG could hurt the already delicate financial markets and the economy.<br><br>"The President supports the agreement announced this evening by the Federal Reserve," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto. <br>Earlier, Fed chairman Bernanke and Paulson met with Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio, to brief them on the government's option. <br><br>"At the administration's request, I met this evening with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke. They expressed the administration's views on the deepening economic turmoil and shared with us their latest proposals regarding AIG," Reid told reporters. "The Treasury and the Fed have promised to provide more details in the near future, which I believe must address the broader, underlying structural issues in the financial markets."<br><br><b>The Fed said in return for the loan, the government will receive a 79.9 percent equity stake in AIG.</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080916/aig.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080916/aig.html</A><br><br>__________<br><br>Won't be long before American citizens will never see a statement again from their broker, mortgage company, car payment from their bank or credit union, gas company, fuel oil company, credit card company, etc...Everything will be on one statement and that statement will be on letterhead saying "The United States Government"....Your bill is enclosed" :( :huh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : you all now own aig, bailing out the bondholders. Ain't that grand.<br>Fanfredaigwamu inc ticker "USA"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : SNDK up 55% as of 6 PM e.s.t. after hours<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNDK" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNDK</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <b>Samsung offers $26 a share in cash for SanDisk</b><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/technology-update/10437745.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA" >www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsana&middot;&middot;&middot;m_ite=NA</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7bABF78EAB-394C-4CC9-8D04-269A239F41BE%7d&siteid=yhoof2" >www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/S&middot;&middot;&middot;d=yhoof2</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : Already did. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><b>IcEr3K</b></A> : Wonder if AIG can break 1 billion shares traded today...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/443745"><b>HydroponiK</b></A> : Well the Fed finally does something right and kept the interest rates as is.<br><small>--<br><br><br>Ain't that a bitch.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/842201"><b>GeorgeCr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So what do you guys think of BoA in the long term?  Will the pickup of MER and CFC be millstones?<br> </div>No idea right now. Dow is up at the moment led by BoA (7.31% up!) ... WTF?<br><br>Russians are getting owned right now. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/helix">Team Helix</a> | <A HREF="http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/seti">SETI</a></small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21119294?c=1350240&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="141147 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=942 SRC="/r0/download/1350240.thumb600~2ced704b74cf61315e3f74cbcfd76f8a/BoA.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : So what do you guys think of BoA in the long term?  Will the pickup of MER and CFC be millstones?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : gasparino just leaked some insider info of a fed bailout for aig .. market shot up in seconds .. then slowly deflated as his body language changed and he didn't back it up with detail. What a farce.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Bank of A$$holes..err..America..continues it's slide today...now trading premarket at 24.98.<br><br>As big as the Lehman story was, I think the BofA / Merrill Lynch story was even bigger. Consider this fully.<br>The CEO of BoA gets a phone call Saturday AM from Merrill's CEO and less than 48 hours later has committed his previously almost immune bank to one of the biggest crisis's ever to hit the financial world. Not only did he commit his company and it's shareholders to that..he offered a premium of 70% based on where the stock was even trading at the time. As if that wasn't enough...they were all party to what was about to happen monday..namely the Bk demise of Lehman brothers.<br><br>Prior to all this..BofA was sitting on the sidelines of the inferno to hell..watching from a relatively safe distance.<br>In 48 short hours, he threw his entire company into it.<br><br>I can't even begin to comprehend the mentality involved in that. Ego to the 10th degree to own something certainly must have been part of it. And someone so distanced from that which everyone in the world was seeing surely another part of it. A day later, Lehman was trading at 18 cents.<br>What would Merrill have been trading at in the face of that.<br>BofA could have gotten easily half price or who knows..1/3rd of what they paid had they just waited a few days even. This really stands in stark contrast to what Chase did with Bear Stearns. They offered what..2 bucks a share and even at that wanted government guarantees?<br>Clearly..one company was about protecting their shareholders while the other..about preserving the CEO's ego. <br><br>If I was a BofA shareholder I'd be mad as he** about what occurred and would be calling for the CEO's resignation.<br>He**..i'd be having him escorted out of the building by armed security.<br><br>The guy is really that dangerous.<br> </div>IMO, Kenneth Lewis and John Thain were TOLD by The Fed to do what they did and by cooperating they were assured by The Fed that their backs would be covered now and down the road. <br><br>It was The Fed orchestrating the entire sham and it was the CEO's of Merrill and BoA who had no choice but to go along with the orders from The Fed and pick up the phones and play as if they were doing it on their own...Pawns in a game with the rules made up by the Fed and U.S Government. <br><br>Just consider all the reasons you listed in your post above and do you or anyone else actually believe this took place so suddenly on their own???  Hell no...The Fed made no bones about them being involved over the weekend and even President Bush said he was kept informed over the weekend of 'events' but they of course stopped short of saying they were pulling the strings and instructing CEO's on WHAT they had to do..<br><br>It's all a big sham to give off the impression that there is value to be had out there when in fact the finanacial system of The United States is on the verge of total collapse and chaos. <br><br> ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : well, he didn't offer a cash price, right? would their stock be any better today if they had stood aside? every bank is getting slaughtered anyway.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Bank of A$$holes..err..America..continues it's slide today...now trading premarket at 24.98.<br><br>As big as the Lehman story was, I think the BofA / Merrill Lynch story was even bigger. Consider this fully.<br>The CEO of BoA gets a phone call Saturday AM from Merrill's CEO and less than 48 hours later has committed his previously almost immune bank to one of the biggest crisis's ever to hit the financial world. Not only did he commit his company and it's shareholders to that..he offered a premium of 70% based on where the stock was even trading at the time. As if that wasn't enough...they were all party to what was about to happen monday..namely the Bk demise of Lehman brothers.<br><br>Prior to all this..BofA was sitting on the sidelines of the inferno to hell..watching from a relatively safe distance.<br>In 48 short hours, he threw his entire company into it.<br><br>I can't even begin to comprehend the mentality involved in that. Ego to the 10th degree to own something certainly must have been part of it. And someone so distanced from that which everyone in the world was seeing surely another part of it. A day later, Lehman was trading at 18 cents.<br>What would Merrill have been trading at in the face of that.<br>BofA could have gotten easily half price or who knows..1/3rd of what they paid had they just waited a few days even. This really stands in stark contrast to what Chase did with Bear Stearns. They offered what..2 bucks a share and even at that wanted government guarantees?<br>Clearly..one company was about protecting their shareholders while the other..about preserving the CEO's ego. <br><br>If I was a BofA shareholder I'd be mad as he** about what occurred and would be calling for the CEO's resignation.<br>He**..i'd be having him escorted out of the building by armed security.<br><br>The guy is really that dangerous.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><b>Mentat</b></A> : The banks would have failed earlier, the little guy would be on the tail end of recovery, and this shit would be behind us for the most part.<br><br>The rate cuts exacerbated the blowup that we're just now going to start experiencing, fueled inflation and deflated the dollar.<br><br>When Ole' boy Ben cuts the rates again tomorrow, its a total sign of capitulation to the big banks; "you're more important than the taxpayer", something that should come as no surprise to any of us.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : What would the economy be like right now if there never was the aggressive interest rate cuts of the past year?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/656421"><b>AbBaZaBbA</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>On a side note, quietly it seems sentiment is growing that there will be another rate cut tomorrow.  WTF do they think cutting the rate by another 25 basis points is going to do?<br> </div>I highly doubt it will be 25bp.<br><br>I'd bet on 50 or 75bp and a nice bounce for banks tomorrow.  If WM is 2$ at open and doesn't fall too much in the first hour or so i'll pickup some more.  I'd bet if there wasn't a fed meeting we'd have seen an emergency cut already as well.  They just don't want to look that desperate.  The advantage of a cut would be to the banks... the banks would keep their loan rates the same and lower their deposit rates. <br><br>Another smart thing that could be done is to recapitalize the FDIC.  Have congress give them credit up to a few trillion, whatever it takes, then have them up the limit of insured deposits.  Maybe 500k instead of 100k.  Or even just change to insure all deposits.  It might cost the taxpayers some money, but much less than bailouts and if it prevented some banks from going under due to runs it would more than pay for itself.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : don't they always say that?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Well, he does say a turn will come; just not before 2years down the line. <br><br>And good point about Cramer and Kudlow. What are they saying right now, that this is the best time to buy?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : He has a face for radio doesn't he :)<br><br>but he is the most pessimistic of them all, I think. If you believe him there is nothing to do but convert all your assets to treasuries (better if they include some overseas ones as well like japanese and euro).. and buy canned goods.<br><br>I'm thinking he will be the most spot-on until there is a turn for the better, then he will be discredited. It is very easy to have a perfect track record during an ebb (or a flow) if you face the right direction and over-predict. Until the turn comes..<br><br>But think about it: there is still only one of him and yet a year ago you couldn't throw a teleprompter across cnbc studios without hitting an inverted version of him: someone predicting eternal growth. Some of them (Cramer, Kudlow etc) still have jobs. Even drunken mark whatisname was gloating on the floor monday morning saying how positive some market indicator or other was looking, and how cool it was that the market wasn't down 500 points given the circumstances..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Watching Charlie Rose right now and Roubini says:<br><br>1. 3-4rth inning of a financial meltdown, the like of not seen since the Depression.<br><br>2. A deep recession, most likely lasting 2 years.<br><br>3. No light at end of tunnel except a freight train and no bottom to financial meltdown.<br><br>4. He's predicting lot of companies to default - not just banks but any company which has borrowed money like GM, Dell what not.<br><br>5. Flatly said it's a lie to call it a subprime crisis - there's a credit bubble in commercial loans, student loans, auto loans, municipal bonds, prime and near prime loans -- across the financial system.<br><br>6. edit: He says the theory that BRIC and Europe would decouple from the US was BS - now, there will be global recession and is already seeing it in Europe, Canada and other western nations.<br><br>His time frame is 2 years of DEEP pain. Even MSM reporters like Sorkin of the NYT are now acknowledging 1yr of recession.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Do they have an ETF for that yet? ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Its ok, Bangladesh is up 0.05% !<br>but I think they outlawed market index drops a couple of months ago.. no kidding..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Chinese market down 1027 points right now.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^HSI" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^HSI</A><br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I kept hearing this one in my head today at work:<br><br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/cGqroT1FZ5Y"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/cGqroT1FZ5Y" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y</A></center>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Deutche Bank chief economist on CNBC right now calling this news.."armegeddon "<br><br>I hear the music again...<br><br>"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rW-YvYmUE"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I remember the time when I doubted Nouriel Roubini.  I won't make that mistake again.  <br><br> "If Lehman (LEH) does not find a buyer over the weekend and the counterparties of Lehman withdraw their credit lines on Sept. 15 (as they all will in the absence of a deal) you will have not only a collapse of Lehman but also the beginning of a run on the other independent broker dealers (Merrill Lynch (MER) first but also in sequence Goldman Sachs (GS) and Morgan Stanley (MS) and possibly even those broker dealers that are part of a larger commercial bank, i.e. JPMorgan (JPM) and Citigroup (C))," Roubini wrote on Sept. 13 in his blog, Nouriel Roubini's Global EconoMonitor. "Then this run would lead to a massive systemic meltdown of the financial system."<br><br>"What we are facing now [is] the beginning of the unraveling and collapse of the entire shadow financial system, a system of institutions (broker dealers, hedge funds, private equity funds, SIVs, conduits, etc.) that look like banks (as they borrow short, are highly leveraged and lend and invest long and in illiquid ways) and thus are highly vulnerable to bank like runs," Roubini explains. "But unlike banks they are not properly regulated and supervised, they don't have access to deposit insurance and don't have access to the lender of last resort support of the central bank (with now only a small group of them having access to the limited and conditional and thus fragile support of the Fed)." ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I think this is good. The puking has begun. Nothing worse than that half an hour pre-puke, holding the toilet and waiting. That is what the markets have been stuck in for months now: the pre-puke phase, where the body tries to fight it.<br><br>It is probably going to get very ugly and a lot of money (and jobs) will vanish, but it is better to do it all in a rush than drag it out over a decade like Japan did in the 80s.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : WOW.<br>CNBC on the air right now...<br>Moodys just downgraded AIG.<br>S&P just downgraded AIG.<br><br>AIG needs to come up with 75 Billion dollars TOMORROW...<br>or per CNBC..they'll be filing Bankruptcy on Weds.<br><br>UPDATE: Per an analyst just on CNBC he's saying that with these downgrades..it will trigger so many other defaults that it's doubtful that even 75 Billion would save them. He's saying it would be more like hundreds of billions because of AIG's trillion dollar balance sheet.<br>He's saying the global implications of this are unbelievable with the ripple effect that will occur.<br>Of course..the analyst was a hedge fund manager who's probably short the stock but..that's what's being said.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : On a side note, quietly it seems sentiment is growing that there will be another rate cut tomorrow.  WTF do they think cutting the rate by another 25 basis points is going to do?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I certainly can see him being interested in at least part of them. His insurance holdings including Geico would make a great fit. As painful as it is I do think the Fed has to let some of these companies fail. If there's anything worth having..others will come along and pick them up as BofA is doing with Merrill. It really is the free market system at work. BofA's CEO was on TV today and was asked how many banks he see's remaining after this is all said and done. He said half as many. The Fed is going to have all they can handle with that and in making depositors whole as well as containing inflation. Private companies have got to find another way out of this. <br><br>Anyways..in other news tonight..HP just announced 24,600 people will be losing their jobs.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080915/hp_eds_restructuring.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080915/hp_eds_r&middot;&middot;&middot;ing.html</A><br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Rumor has it, Warren Buffet is in talks to rescue AIG.  Will the Sage save the day?<br> </div>Well, it would be typical of his investment philosophy. Buy up some basically sound company at a huge discount and then cash in as the economy recovers.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Rumor has it, Warren Buffet is in talks to rescue AIG.  Will the Sage save the day?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>This may sound twisted in the light of recent events, but I love witnessing historical events.<br> </div>You might get your wish in the form of AIG.<br><br>They did buy themselves some time in the form of regulators allowing them access to some of their subsidiaries money but word has it that they approached the Fed today saying essentially this....<br><br>"no mon..no fun..your Son."<br><br>And the Fed wrote back to them..<br>"too bad..how sad..Your Dad."<br><br>The Fed did however, agree to try to help them arrange a lending facility through Goldman and chase in the amount of....oh, 70 to 75 Billion or so.<br><br>75 Billion? You mean to tell me that THAT is how much they see AIG as needing to see the light of day?<br><br>Guess what Folks..It's doubtful they could raise 1/4 of that on such short notice..never mind 75 Billion. Who the he** is going to lend them that kind of money?<br><br>The problem with AIG failing is that it's going to hit main street a whole lot more than Lehman did. Speaking only for myself, I have a business relationship with them three different ways..with my auto's and homeowners insurance. A much bigger issue is that I serve on the board of a Condominium project and our master policy is held through them as well. It's hard to say how a failure would impact all of this. Would a failure mean that you're uninsured and how quickly? What about paid premiums..do you get to pay them all over again to someone else? Car and home premiums are one thing..big master policies for homeowner associations are something else completely.<br><br>So many people don't even necessarily see all the ramifications of something like this. How many residents of a community know who their master policy is with for example? They sure would if they had to be emergency assessed for another one that they thought was paid up.<br><br>AIG failing would be very bad news for Main Street in so many regards. It's hard to tell where all the dominoes might fall and who they'd take out with them. So many employees and subsidiary companies. It's a very big deal.<br><br>I also can't help but to wonder whether this crisis itself will do them in. I do know this. Next renewal time it's doubtful my business will go to them. I'm not going to pay these premiums for the unknown of not having insurance in a day or week..or month from then. How many others wind up feeling the same way? It's how the crisis will feed upon itself.<br><br> <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : It is funny to see the BoA deal for ML was priced "at a 70% premium to fridays close" and nobody on CNBC could figure that out (why are they overpaying?). That was monday AM.<br><br>Come close monday, it is actually priced flat (because the deal was in stock not cash). So Merrill wasn't so dumb: they probably wanted a large premium built-in because both they and BoA knew that the markets were likely to fall fast and end up re-pricing the deal..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : Holy crap. What a day. Just got home to check Dow was down 500+ points. Below 11k again. <br><br>I guess Washington Mutual is done for also. <br><small>--<br>I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : This may sound twisted in the light of recent events, but I love witnessing historical events.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Somebody had to buy something today so I put approx $700.00 to work buying some <b>FDX ($90.50...-$0.34 )  September 95 Calls</b> right near the close today.<br><br>An earnings play as they will report day before September option expiration day.<br>FDX was positive during a good portion of the slaughter today..A good sign.<br><br>We shall see.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Shock & Awe]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/442639"><b>ztmike</b></A> : U.S market/jobs-->Dead end road<br><small>--<br>ZZPERFORMANCE</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Lehman Brothers..Real time quote.<br><br>18 cents.<br><br>80 dollars per share to..18 cents.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=LEH#chart2:symbol=leh;range=5y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" >finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=LEH#&middot;&middot;&middot;ndefined</A><br><br>Don't fear the Reaper..<br>Valentine..is done.<br>Here, but now..they're gone.<br>Romeo and Juliet (Bear Stearns and Lehman)<br>Are together in eternity.<br><br>158 years they survived..but not through this.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Perhaps BofA having coveted them for so long was part of this downfall in that they just couldn't see how different things have become. Again, it's just astounding that they would step up to the plate over the weekend and make such a huge monumental decision involving so much money knowing what they knew was about to happen.<br><br>Imagine this for a minute. You're interested in buying a house. It's on the market for 170,00. You look at it saturday AM and by monday morning offer them 290,000 for it...KNOWING..that by Monday the house next door to it was going to be foreclosed on. Turns out that the house next door is now selling for 22 cents! I mean..ok..so maybe your house is a little different. But this whole damn neighborhood STINKS and is sitting on a toxic waste dump.<br><br>What has BofA done to THEMSELVES now with this transaction?<br>Their stock is now collapsing..down about 6.50 a share on the day. This is so different than Chase buying Bear Stearns at firesale liquidation prices and even backed by the government in terms of losses.<br><br>I seriously wouldn't be surprised to see BofA get punished down into the teens now in terms of their stock price.<br>They have assumed the role now of Merrill and furthermore..raised questions about the sanity of their CEO IMHO.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Supposedly BoA has always coveted Merrill.  However, if they had just waited a week or two, they probably could have snapped them up for $2 or $3/share the way things are going.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I seriously think a lot of people have to be sitting around today asking themselves whether BofA's CEO has lost his mind in deciding to purchase Merrill Lynch this weekend.<br><br>According to interviews today here's how it played out.<br>BofA's CEO gets a call Saturday morning from Merrill's CEO suggesting something like this.. and 48 hours later..it's a done deal.<br><br>I mean..we're not exactly talking about having your house appraised here folks. And not only are we talking about something much larger..BofA decides to step up to the plate and offer them a Seventy percent premium to their stock price..(as the deal was originally structured).<br><br>But that's far from being all either. Apparently both were involved in the discussions of what was about to happen to Lehman by Monday AM...a stock now trading at 23 cents.<br><br>With the Lehman news..Merrills stock would have been down to about 10 today. But yet this genius is paying 29.00 even KNOWING what was going to happen to Lehman.<br><br>Prior to today, BofA was more or less a spectator to all that has been occurring.being perceived as like JPMChase..one of the few remaining strong financial institutions around. This was not a deal like JPMChase did for Bear Stearns..reluctantly jumping in for a few bucks with the full faith and backing of the federal goverment.<br>This guy jumped into the fires of hell with both feet forward...taking on such a mammouth risk and deciding to pay a premium even to do it. And a big one at that.<br><br>BofA shareholders are pounding this stock now as well..with it down 6 bucks a share. I can't help but to wonder whether it's now a short even from here..having assumed so much negativity and liability. What makes a merrill lynch worth 29 bucks versus lehman now at 23 cents?<br>It's very hard to make these distinctions anymore.<br><br>Perhaps it will all work out for them and someday this will be a good move. But until then, I think i'd be selling any BofA stock I had. Too many of these things are hitting single digits and it's hard to see what will isolate this one from those possibilities as well.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Lehman and their political contributions. ( complete list towards bottom of page )<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09/brothers-grim-is-lehman-next.html" >www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/09&middot;&middot;&middot;ext.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : AIG is getting destroyed right now as well. Watching it in real time it just fell below 4.00 a share. 25 Billion dollars in market value gone in one day.<br><br>An appropriate theme song to preside over the Wall Street Carnage today...<br><br><p><div style='z-index:0; text-align:center;display:block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value="http://www.youtube.com/v/z5rW-YvYmUE"><param name=wmode value="transparent"><embed wmode="transparent" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/z5rW-YvYmUE" type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='425' height='350' allowscriptaccess='samedomain'></embed></object></div></p><center>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rW-YvYmUE" >www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rW-YvYmUE</A></center>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>BoA closing in on Merrill:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0-11dd-a019-000077b07658.html" >www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0&middot;&middot;&middot;658.html</A><br> </div>BoA is seemingly buying up everything. Maybe they should change their name to the "One & Only Bank in the USA". ;)<br> </div>I see a new ad campaign: "Bank of America...because there's no one else left."<br><small>--<br>"I love mankind.  It's people I can't stand."<br><br>                     --L. van Pelt</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : wow. Holy flight to quality.<br><br>t-bill yields have gone to almost zero.<br><br>I put an order in a few hours ago, and it got cancelled by e-trade with this lame excuse:<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Due to the recent events in the market <br><br>place the Treasury market has moved sharply <br><br>higher. In some cases the prices are delayed. <br><br>Due to the nature of these events your orders <br><br>have been cancelled because they are away from <br><br>the true market. Should you need any immediate <br><br>assistance please contact the fixed income <br><br>desk at 1-877-355-3237 and anyone of the <br><br>representatives will assist you without <br><br>any additional charges.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:33:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Armageddon?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21111722?c=1349866&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="57129 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=326 SRC="/r0/download/1349866.thumb600~07722d11316a7fa062345bcd78a6caa9/Wall Street.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:48:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : city has only itself to blame, they should have saved up the bounty they reaped when times were good realizing the tax base was way WAY too focused on the IB community.<br><br>Anyone looking at the stats realized the weakness of putting NY infrastructure, schools and so on 30% in the hands of a tiny segment (by head count) of NYC!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : This is going to be very ugly for New York as well with all these job losses. I mean...holy crap..Bear Stearns..Lehman..and Merrill and all these associated jobs...not to mention all the jobs lost at Citigroup and others this last year.<br><br>This story is saying that 40% of Merrills jobs will be cut with the BofA takeover..and that 28,000 at Lehman are in jeopardy. They're talking about New York having to raise taxes to make up for this.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080915/lehman_merrill_jobs.html?.v=3" >biz.yahoo.com/rb/080915/lehman_m&middot;&middot;&middot;tml?.v=3</A><br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:43:27 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I don't think the market will find a bottom until the problems at AIG, WaMu and possibly Wachovia fully work out, and any other problems kicked up by Lehman (and AIG, and WaMu..)<br><br>If WaMu goes under it will take out almost the entire FDIC fund in one swoop.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 02:30:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Looks like quite the weekend for financial news.<br><br>As for Lehman Bros..it's a real shame that after 150 + year history it all comes down to this for them. Is anyone really surprised though at this point? Seems like they've been on life support for months now with this the inevitable conclusion. On the other hand, what is a surprise is the BofA/Merrill News. Very baffling what they would see in them at this point particularly to pay up so much for their stock from where it was trading.<br><br>While the markets will trade down on the Lehman news, I can't help but to think it may be short lived. The government not stepping into this might give some reason to celebrate the fact that finally "Wall streets" problems aren't going to be absorbed by "Main Streets" taxpayers anymore. I do think that while the Governments past actions have been warranted when it comes to interest rates..protecting depositors...and even with supporting fannie and freddie and the backbone of our nations mortgage infrastructure..it is now time to separate that from bailing out private enterprises. The Fed opened up their discount window to these companies as credit became very tight...but that's different from what would have been required apparently to entice companies to buy them out. If at this point the market is determining that no one wants them then so be it..that's the way it should be. As the BofA/Merrill news shows..that's not the way it is across the board and when there's real or perceived value to be had..then companies will step up and buy. Apparently the perceived value of Lehman factoring in all their liabilities is less than zero. <br><br>In any event, we'll see how it goes. But I wouldn't rule out some saying after the initial fallout that perhaps the Lehman news was good in that the Government finally said you're on your own.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : yeah but didn't you also read it was chaos .. The idea was stupid. If lehman goes bk in a three party transaction one half has no incentive to renegotiate.. The one owing money to lehman can sit on it's hands! ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:31:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : As seen elsewhere:<br><br><b>Open markets to the banks while most of the countries citizens are enjoying their weekend with no clue of being thrown under the bus. <br><br>____________<br><br>Derivatives market trades on Sunday to cut Lehman risk</b><br><br>NEW YORK (Reuters) - Major players in the $455 trillion global derivatives market rushed Sunday to scale back exposure to a potential bankruptcy filing by investment bank Lehman Brothers in a rare emergency trading session. <br><br>Trading took place as U.S. regulators and bankers were making last-ditch efforts to prevent toxic assets from ailing Lehman Brothers (NYSE:LEH - News) spilling into global markets and rupturing investor faith in the international financial system. For details see (ID:nN14440361) <br><br>"This is an extremely, and I stress extremely, rare event. It also speaks to the more general notion that, in today's highly disrupted financial markets, the unthinkable is thinkable," said Mohamed El-Erian, the chief executive of Pimco, the world's biggest bond fund, based in Newport Beach, California. <br><br>The session opened at 2 p.m. New York time and was due to run until 4 p.m. (1800 to 2000 GMT), according to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association. ISDA later extended it for another two hours and some banks continued to offset their Lehman exposure even after the official session ended, according to a market source. <br><br>Trading involved credit, equity, rates, foreign exchange and commodity derivatives. ISDA estimates the OTC derivatives market excluding commodities has a value of $455 trillion. <br><br><b>Market sources said the special session was initiated by the Federal Reserve. </b><br><br>The aim is to reduce risk associated with a potential bankruptcy filing by Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. <br><br>"Trades are contingent on a bankruptcy filing at or before 11:59 p.m. New York time Sunday (0359 GMT)," said the statement. "If there is no filing, the trades cease to exist." <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080914/lehman_specialsession.html" >biz.yahoo.com/rb/080914/lehman_s&middot;&middot;&middot;ion.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:18:11 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  bklynite <A HREF="/useremail/u/347377"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>WSJ says the Merrill board of directors is voting on a $29/share bid. Sigh... another one bites the dust.<br> </div>Why is BoA paying $29/share for a company trading at $17 on Friday?<br><br>This was also released simultaneously by 10 international banks at 10 P.M. EDT to make $70 billion available to shore up failing institutions and maintain liquidity:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.morningstar.com/newsnet/ViewNews.aspx?article=/BW/20080914005082_univ.xml" >news.morningstar.com/newsnet/Vie&middot;&middot;&middot;univ.xml</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:51:28 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Tomorrow is shaping up to the be the worst day yet over the last one year plus.  Unless of course investment banks reveal their "new plan" to save their industry and restore consumer confidence.  :uhh:  <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/21110195?c=1349787&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="47728 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=348 SRC="/r0/download/1349787.thumb600~fde8b029c8e29a75cf58df9822679e61/Premarket.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:48:55 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/347377"><b>bklynite</b></A> : WSJ says the Merrill board of directors is voting on a $29/share bid. Sigh... another one bites the dust.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.w-train.com">W-Train.com</a> Webmaster | &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bklynite.com" >www.bklynite.com</A></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:12:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>BoA closing in on Merrill:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0-11dd-a019-000077b07658.html" >www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0&middot;&middot;&middot;658.html</A><br> </div>BoA is seemingly buying up everything. Maybe they should change their name to the "One & Only Bank in the USA". ;)<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:12:38 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : BoA closing in on Merrill:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0-11dd-a019-000077b07658.html" >www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0ba5fbd8-82a0&middot;&middot;&middot;658.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:22:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>the rumors are out that lehman will be split: the good parts get sold, the bad part ends up in a "toxic dump" that will get supported by other players. It is interesting the treasury is warning the "market" that they need to support this toxic dump because fast liquidation <i>would set an expensive price precedent for their assets</i>. A dangerous game, no? if the emperor has no clothes you are not supposed to talk of this, lest the idea catch and spread..<br> </div>Barclays backs off on plan to Buy parts of Lehman. Time is running out.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apQ2l2N8cqzY&refer=home" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;fer=home</A><br><div class="bquote"> Barclays Plc, the U.K.'s third- biggest bank, said it abandoned talks to buy Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., contending it couldn't obtain guarantees to protect against potential losses at the U.S. securities firm.<br><br>Barclays, which had emerged as a leading candidate to acquire all or parts of Lehman, pulled out amid a third day of emergency negotiations led by the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve, Leigh Bruce, a spokesman for the London-based bank, said in a phone interview today. </div><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/550034"><b>Coma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> . . . the treasury is warning the "market" that they need to support this toxic dump because fast liquidation <i>would set an expensive price precedent for their assets</i>.<br> </div>       <br> . . . and this toxic dump becomes the new bottom as the market capitulates <i>?</i><br>      <br>      <br><small>--<br><i> . . . seeking professional help . . .  </i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : the rumors are out that lehman will be split: the good parts get sold, the bad part ends up in a "toxic dump" that will get supported by other players. It is interesting the treasury is warning the "market" that they need to support this toxic dump because fast liquidation <i>would set an expensive price precedent for their assets</i>. A dangerous game, no? if the emperor has no clothes you are not supposed to talk of this, lest the idea catch and spread..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : That is why I'm hoping Paulson sticks to his guns on the no tax payer bailout.  If Lehman goes under, it might make these other financial firms realize they could be next if they do not start working on a real solution.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : And AIG ..<br>And WaMu ..<br><br>And the next dominos in line must be sweating as well.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : The Federal Reserve Bank of New York held an emergency meeting Friday night with top Washington policymakers and major financial institutions to discuss the future of Lehman Brothers.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080913/lehman_meeting.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080913/lehman_meeting.html</A><br><br>I'm guessing we'll have a resolution to this by the time Asian markets open on Monday morning.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><b>Mentat</b></A> : They're on their way out too.<br>FDIC Friday is tomorrow, will it be LEH, Wamu, BoA, or Merrill that bites the dust?<br><small>--<br>Shoot all the clowns.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : it is down to $3.29 as I write, but AH trades are very volatile.<br>I think if there is any substance to a real buyout the shares would jump in price. The suspicion is more that someone will take over their liabilities for $0]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:28:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Wow...LEH down to below $4/share in after hours.  Rumor that BoA is going to buy them.  Hard to believe BoA would take another shot going after a company in distress after their troubles with Countrywide.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : and also dropping energy prices. No wonder Russia is trying to get control of Caucasus oil sources - Oil shortages may bail out their economy if they can cause prices to start rising again.<br><br>Geopolitics and oil drive a lot of the world's economies.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_bi_ge/russia_markets" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;_markets</A><br><div class="bquote">a miserable stretch for Russian equities. The benchmark RTS index &#8212; down 47.8 percent since its May high &#8212; has dropped 13.9 percent since the start of the week, while the MICEX exchange, where most trading takes place, is down 14.5 percent.<br><br>The slide has been fueled by dropping oil prices &#8212; Russia is the world's No. 2 oil exporter after Saudia Arabia &#8212; tensions with the West after Russia's invasion of Georgia, and concerns about government interference in business.<br><br>"What you see now is a full-fledged panic," said Michael Ganske, strategist at Commerzbank in London. "We are in a situation now where the authorities ... have to convince investors that it's worth investing in Russia."</div>Dropping oil prices and the return to Cold War attitudes by Putin has started to drive foreign investors out of the Russian stock market.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Losses? I'm up 10% overall on the year at last count. How's your investments doing?</div>What investments? You mean that tiny amount of company stock I own? It's doing badly. I guess that makes you a better person than I.<br> </div>I don't equate how good a person is by the size of their bank accounts.<br><br>As for investing, it's never too late to start. Times like this show how important it is to have a nest egg to fall back on. As for what to invest in that's obviously up to you. But again..as so many stocks these days have shown, investing in any individual stock can be hazardous to ones health and being diversified is the only thing that can save you when that happens.<br><br>It's why when I am in the market..it's primarily with very diversified mutual funds for the most part. Then, the risk is spread out over hundreds of companies. It won't always save people from down markets but it sure beats the alternative.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Losses? I'm up 10% overall on the year at last count. How's your investments doing?</div>What investments? You mean that tiny amount of company stock I own? It's doing badly. I guess that makes you a better person than I.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : And what you don't seem to understand is that the government agencies didn't make subprime loans and by and large..the VAST amount of loans they did make were made with significant downpayments.<br><br>And, I'm not being an apologist for anyone. I'm stating the facts as I see them.<br><br>As for "justifying" to myself the losses I've taken as posted my ENTIRE "toxic" portofolio represented less that five percent of my portfolio with fannie and freddie (following my sells for nice gains)..being about 1/4 of 1% of that.  And..you might want to review page one of this thread to see who was selling their portfolio at dow 14k..and switching into bonds!<br><br>My position from the start of this thread is how important it is for people to be diversified and if you're going to be in the market..to be in diversified mutual funds. Fannie and Freddie and so many other stocks these days are prime examples of the dangers of buying individual stocks which as a rule..I don't do except to dabble in a few here and there.<br><br>As for Losses? I'm up 10% overall on the year at last count. How's your investments doing?<br><br>:)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Furthermore, a 20% downpayment would do nothing in terms of security in so many markets that saw a 200~300% run up in prices.</div>What you don't seem to understand is that had they required those 20% down payments, these loans wouldn't even exist. The people who needed subprime loans are the same people who hadn't saved enough cash to put down a reasonable down payment. o cash, no loan, and no mortgage crisis. Just a whole bunch of people who would have been forced my the market to live within their means.<br><br>Instead, congress steps in and substitutes their lost income with our tax dollars. The only thing I can figure is that you're playing the apologist role so that you can justify to yourself the money you probably lost on this little venture of yours.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : They wouldn't be standing today because they wouldn't have been competitive for the last 10 years. Your suggestion that they somehow should have remained stagnant in the face of what the mortgage brokerage industry/investment houses were dreaming up doesn't take into account at all the fact that competition then would have drove them out of business.<br><br>Who do you think brokers and bankers would have sent their deals to if they hadn't worked to be at least somewhat flexible? Fannie and Freddie would have been OUT OF BUSINESS in the face of what was occurring.<br><br>My point isn't that they didn't participate somewhat in what was occurring..it's that in relation to all that was occurring..they maintained as conservative a stance as was possible. And, I don't believe for a minute it was their lending practices which caused anywhere near what is now occurring.<br><br>Furthermore, a 20% downpayment would do nothing in terms of security in so many markets that saw a 200~300% run up in prices. The run up was caused by the mortgage brokerage industry and investment houses and their new found ways of packaging loans. Those loans were then presented to borrowers as something they could easily afford..with the fine print minimized to such an extent as it would take a CPA to figure out where the payments were really going to go to. It wasn't fannie mae who was running the ad's urging people to get 300,000 for 800.00 a month..conveniently forgetting to put anywhere except buried in the fine print at closing that oh..btw..that will be adjusting to probably 4 x's that amount. There is NO WAY..NO HOW..those people could afford it. And NO WAY..no how..they were told.<br>It is the massive broker networks set up..the massive amount of advertising they did..emailing the did..and flat out pulling the wool over peoples eyes that caused what occurred.<br><br>What happened..is not Fannie and Freddies fault.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : sorry, bullshit man. <br>Their executives are 100% responsible for their insolvency. They mis-stated their health repeatedly, they padded their capital with tax credits, they lowered their standards to keep market share, they also paid a fortune to lobbyists.<br><br>100% they are responsible. If they maintained their lending standards of minimum 20% down, and stood for responsible lending despite shrinking market share they would be still standing today.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : IMO..you place far too much blame on Fannie and Freddie and their executives for what has occurred. They are not the ones who caused what has occurred and given all that did occur, remained remarkably steadfast to their principles that have governed them for decades.<br><br>The genesis of what occurred has it's roots primarily in 3 places. <br>1)Consumers..and the dream of home ownership for everyone. Whether they could afford it or not.<br><br>2)The rise of the mortgage brokerage industry. So many individuals with little to no lending experience with one stake in it. To sell as much as they could for the largest commissions possible. They created massive amounts of competition against both each other..and the traditional lending industry.<br><br>3)The investment houses. Who quickly discovered that they could play a part in all of this in creating exotic loan packages that could be sold off to investors all over this globe under the previously secure heading of "mortgage backed securities".<br><br>While Fannie and Freddie did perhaps loosen their underwriting standards somewhat, it was nowhere near the extent of what caused this housing crisis. And, there was always pressure on them to do just that anyway from the political establishment. Banks with the community reinvestment act and quasi goverment agencies encouraged to do what they could to help the poor and underprivledged to get a loan. That's been going on for a very long time with no lingering effects. <br><br>Many people may not be aware of how big the brokerage industry became in the late 1990's going into the 2000's.<br>These were massive operations originating huge percentages of this nations home mortgages. And so many of these people had no experience in lending at all. And frankly..had no desire to know because these loans were held no longer that until closing. Their stake was in the commissions that were generated both in the form of points and fees paid by consumers and back door fees paid by lenders who bought and sold them off themselves. As competition grew ever fiercer..so too did the exotic ways of making these loans expand. And particularly in how the investment houses split them up and pooled them in order to be sold. This allowed more and more money to be loaned at lower and lower payments. That's what helped fuel the dramatic rise in home values. Because people thought they could afford it.<br>Some say that consumers should have known better what it is they were signing. I agree to a great extent..but one also has to realize how complex many of these loans were. And how hard it was even for a professional to understand all the terms. I sat down not too long ago and looked at one that initially called for the customer to make payments of about 800.00 per month. That loan..when all was said and done..when you got to the fine print..was going to adjust to about 3300.00 per month in payments. You think that customer knew that? No way. And the broker didn't tell them..guaranteed. Because that broker was making way too much money on that big loan to see it closed. <br><br>What happened to Fannie and Freddie is as the market went bad with so many of these loans..everything just started to get lumped together. Good loans with the subprime ones...with the Alt A. loans. And down came their stock...up went loan defaults..and down came real estate values. It all became a self fulfilling prophecy and finally undermined even them. As posted in an earlier post..I do now believe that a lot of even conventional loans are at risk because of default rates and primarily where home values are going. The real estate market now has an almost 1 year backlog of homes on the market..and that doesn't even count foreclosures. Prices will have to come down to absorb all that. And that's going to jeopardize alot of the security that Fannie and Freddie had in most loans made since 2000. Perhaps to the tune of 30 to 40% of every loan made since then. For this to not turn into a catastrophe it was important to hold values at 2003 to 2004 levels. And based on foreclosures I see happening..that just won't be happening.<br><br>All in all though, I just don't think you can put the blame for this at Fannie and Freddies doorstep. It was a mortgage brokerage industry gone mad, fueled by consumers who bought the bill of goods..propelled by investment houses who found the funding to make it all happen..that was the real culprits.<br><br>With a certain amount of irony it's also them who have and will pay. How many of these mortgage brokers and companies remain? They took the very early hit and are now out of business. Subprime and alt A borrowers will now wait a very long time to ever get a loan again. And the investment houses? We read about them every day in the news and all their troubles.<br><br>As costly as it may be, this country is right to support the core of this nations financial system. I think that the fed and treasury have taken very carefully calculated steps that were necessary in order to do so. It's been far from perfect but a perfect solution doesn't exist..except for all this to have never happened. I think though that if anyone has any explaining to do it's many of those within the mortgage brokerage industry with them being the massive sales network that promoted so much of these loans now gone bad. It's not the heads of Fannie and Freddie who maintained as conservative an operation as they could throughout all of this.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! 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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : they were not government entities. They are now, but they were not before. Their bonds had on them "NOT backed by the US government" and so did their stock of course. Since the government never made their status clear the market took advantage of this ("too big to fail") and at the same time the CEOs and  their management team were obviously incompetent - at least in the last few years.<br>Now the part that stinks is the management team get to walk away with huge retirement packages in return for their silence, the regulators (who were supposed to keep an eye on them) are not in front of a senate committee fighting to stay out of jail and the bond-holders and the bond insurers who cynically profited from the idea that the taxpayer would bail everyone out in the event of a collapse get to walk away with 100 cents on the dollar.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : I did mention that and was told this is a natural consequence of when government entities are allowed to dabble in the free market. <br><br>Therefore, the CEOs aren't to blame, it's the inherent socialist nature of Freddie and Fannie what got them here.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>It's called Capitalism.<br><br>Yesterday, my boss (ardent conservative) was telling me (quoting Ayn Rand) workers are dumb/not in charge of decision making because...well, they're workers. Since these are <i>smart</i> CEOs, the free market will give them their due. Or maybe their lawyers will get it for them. Either way....<br> </div>Except this is a government bailout, not capitalism.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : It isn't at all Capitalism. Capitalism states that the market would have rewarded them, it's taxes that will ultimately pay those bonuses, since it's taxes that will be replacing their revenue.<br><br>Now, if you had said "socialism" you'd have been onto something.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : It's called Capitalism.<br><br>Yesterday, my boss (ardent conservative) was telling me (quoting Ayn Rand) workers are dumb/not in charge of decision making because...well, they're workers. Since these are <i>smart</i> CEOs, the free market will give them their due. Or maybe their lawyers will get it for them. Either way....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : So sick.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : Deploy the golden parachutes!<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Washington Post :</small><br><br>The severance packages could be worth as much as <u>$14.9 million</u> for Richard F. Syron, the former Freddie Mac chairman and chief executive, and as much as <u>$9.8 million</u> for Daniel H. Mudd, the former Fannie Mae chief executive, said David M. Schmidt, a senior consultant for the executive pay consultancy James F. Reda & Associates.<br><br>However, those estimates included multimillion-dollar bonuses for the two executives that are difficult to predict. Mudd is represented by Washington lawyer Robert Barnett, whose clients include many of Washington's political and media elite. "We are discussing matters with the government," Barnett said by e-mail.<br><br>Asked for Syron's perspective, Freddie Mac spokeswoman Sharon McHale declined to comment.</div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/08/AR2008090802605.html?hpid=topnews" >www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co&middot;&middot;&middot;=topnews</A><br><br>Small when compared to your average Wall Street CEO severance package, but still a nice chunk of change.<br><small>--<br>"I love mankind.  It's people I can't stand."<br><br>                     --L. van Pelt</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : today was quite significant. As you noticed nothing went up.. Deleveraging is now active everywhere and anyone geared up with no cash is in huge trouble. Not just geared to stocks, even geared up with oil gas metals even gold. If this keeps going this way then most hedge funds are toast as they have nothing to rotate into..<br>I imagine paulson and bernake are not getting much sleep now as they try to figure out just what can bring "confidence" back.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/580201"><b>phriday613</b></A> : Commodities, Energy, took a massive hit today!<br><br>Cramer claims its all due to Chinese demand slowing down, but I'm skeptical...<br><br>WTF!?! Everything in my damn portfolio was down min 10%!<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,973135~root=security,1~mode=flat#974470">"Forewarned is forearmed..." </a>-gwion</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : The stock market is so comical these days.  Up 300 one day, down 300 the next...yawn. ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : holy c**p look at LEH so far today - down 30% .. sub 10s. Every day they leak another 'wait wait we're not done yet' rumor but the market is tired of excuses.<br><br>Can the fed really step up this weekend and  take ANOTHER bailout on the chin? yet if they go under what about the much vaunted systemic risk from bonds and credit default swaps that are so widely spread around..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : FYI..I posted a few pages back about my getting into a play called FNSR.<br><br>I would HIGHLY consider folks take a VERY close look at this VERY quickly.<br><br>Just beat earnings nicely and this stock is CHEAP AS HE^^.<br><br>I'm in at 1.20~1.25 range..<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080908/apfn_earns_finisar.html?.v=2" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080908/apfn_ear&middot;&middot;&middot;tml?.v=2</A><br><br>Fnsr chart showing how low it is..<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FNSR#chart1:symbol=fnsr;range=5y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" >finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=FNSR&middot;&middot;&middot;ndefined</A><br><br>just hit 4 cents in earnings for the quarter..putting the forward looking multiple at about 8x's earnings.<br><br>This stock has Double in price from here written all over it IMO.<br><br>Please..do your own Due Diligence.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>   &#147;I am telling you that your house is going to bottom in price next year in part by efforts like this. It&#146;s a home run plan,&#148; Cramer said on MSNBC&#146;s &#147;Morning Joe.&#148; He also called the plan a &#147;home run&#148; on NBC&#146;s &#147;Today.&#148;<br> <br>   <br> </div>While I doubt it will be that soon, housing could very well bottom out next year. The real question is though, when will it EVER recover from those lows?<br><br>The closest parallel to the rise in real estate values 2 to 3 years ago was in the mid 80's. That too was a bubble that burst quickly and it took 15 years for those who bought into that bubble to just BREAK EVEN on their purchases which didn't happen until about 2001~2002.<br>The bottoming out from the mid 1980's highs didn't take place until the mid to late 1990's...around 13 years later.<br>This is why I highly doubt Cramer or anyones speculation that next year will be the bottom.<br><br>But..consider this. What caused the turnaround beginning around 2001 was the mortgage market entering into much riskier types of lending. It opened up a whole new world of borrowers who previously couldn't get a loan. Exotic loans also fueled the price rise because people could take out much larger loans for less money per month...at least for the first few years.<br><br>The mortgage market for those kinds of loans is DEAD..and will NEVER reappear in our lifetimes. Back are the days of conventional lending. <br><br>Add everything up and you'll see how different this time around is even compared to the mid 80's rise. Then..there wasn't a huge supply of foreclosures competing with existing supply. Today and for years to come..we'll have plenty of that. And there won't be any magical mortgage market to rescue home prices this time. There will be conventional lending to those with good credit and sizeable down payments.<br><br>Much of this hasn't yet been seen or even realized in real estate valuations. Because lots of foreclosures haven't even sold yet. But they're starting to...and the prices some of them are going for are right back to the lows of the 1990's. The banks are doing this because no one is buying. NO ONE. There's a house not far from me that was valued..and sold..at the peak for around 270k. It just was sold by a bank for 98,000. And I can count off 10 others off the top of my head that are now in contract with the same kinds of discounts...and MANY others that there are still no offers on that are sitting vacant.<br>I know of a 3 family house that was valued at probably 300k at it's highs..that STILL hasn't sold at 145k. NO one is buying unless it's a giveaway price. And, if they have the money for downpayments and qualify for conventional loans.<br><br>The way real estate is ultimately valued is for comparables to be used. As these sales start to really cycle through..they will become the only comparables for everything on the market. This is what will take the overall market down. I honestly have no idea what these people see to cause them to see a bottom in months or even next year except to say I don't think they have a clue what they're talking about. The government saving fannie and freddie was necessary just to maintain a CONVENTIONAL loan market. It doesn't address any of the other factors I cite above. It would be worse if they didn't do what they did.<br>But it in no way returns the market to anywhere near what it was. It really does all boil down to what always drives a market..supply and demand. And you have foreclosures + existing supply equaling a LOT less buyers and many with much fewer options in terms of financing.<br><br>And that equals nothing but lower prices.<br><br>As this all evolves..it will have it's benefits. Benefits to first time buyers who will steal prices at 1990's lows.<br>And investors who will buy properties for their rental values and hopefully what might be some appreciation over time. But for everyone else..I wouldn't worry too much about your next real estate assessment for tax purposes.<br><br>It will be coming down.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>He told the &#147;Morning Joe&#148; team the move could cost &#147;several hundred billion.&#148; But he said it would benefit investors who hold stock in banks. &#147;There&#146;s a definite, definite move for the rich to make more money today,&#148; he said.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080908130856.aspx" >businessandmedia.org/articles/20&middot;&middot;&middot;856.aspx</A><br> </div>At least he's honest.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : The graphs in this article are evidently unknown to him:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008/09/housing-its-about-prices.html" >calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2008&middot;&middot;&middot;ces.html</A><br><br>by all different measures at least the median house price is still over fair value and thus has further to fall. Perhaps not his home in hedge fund connecticut or his holiday house in the hamptons, but for the bulk of the stock..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> :    &#147;I am telling you that your house is going to bottom in price next year in part by efforts like this. It&#146;s a home run plan,&#148; Cramer said on MSNBC&#146;s &#147;Morning Joe.&#148; He also called the plan a &#147;home run&#148; on NBC&#146;s &#147;Today.&#148;<br> <br>     Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Housing Finance Agency Director James Lockhart announced September 7 the government would take over management of the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs).<br> <br><br>     Cramer told &#147;Today&#148; co-host Meredith Vieira that the takeover was a good thing even though it may end up costing taxpayers &#147;tens of billions of dollars.&#148; &#147;But the government, the people are getting a stake in these enterprises. That is bullish so I think it&#146;s pretty darn good,&#148; he said.<br> <br>     He told the &#147;Morning Joe&#148; team the move could cost &#147;several hundred billion.&#148; But he said it would benefit investors who hold stock in banks. &#147;There&#146;s a definite, definite move for the rich to make more money today,&#148; he said.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080908130856.aspx" >businessandmedia.org/articles/20&middot;&middot;&middot;856.aspx</A><br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : THE HOUSE OF PAIN! BUY BUY BUY!!!<br><br>So what did he say this time?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Could somebody kill Jim Cramer, thanks in advance.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For those of you here who bought V at or near the public offering, do you still have your position or have you sold and taken profits? <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V</A><br> </div>Still holding. Not worth selling under $85. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>For those of you here who bought V at or near the public offering, do you still have your position or have you sold and taken profits? <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V</A><br> </div>Still holding on. I'm going to wait for the share buy back program coming up in  a quarter or two before I think about selling.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/621/01/">Put's and End's due too it's english Abuse's!!!!!!</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : It is looking great? honestly I am underwhelmed. If this is the reaction when the government steps in for their biggest shot at support for a decade, then count me very underwhelmed!<br>Look at LEH and WaMu. Up 17% pre-market and down 17% in the market. Nasdaq negative.. Dow half the rise of a random fall last week? RIMM below $100. Overall index move much less than the overseas markets leaped in anticipation..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : For those of you here who bought V at or near the public offering, do you still have your position or have you sold and taken profits? <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=V</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Overall..the market is looking great though. + 272 pts on the dow. I guess everyone likes the government taking aggressive action on this.<br> </div>Don't be sucked in...( my opinion only of course )<br><br>I went short both MER &raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MER" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MER</A><br><br>and TSN &raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TSN" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TSN</A> <br><br>shortly after the opening when they managed to bring damn near everything UP to suck the suckers in. Its now noon and look at the chart how they both nose-dived from the opening euphoria. Once the suckers bought in, bang...the big boys started bailing again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487982"><b>TheRul</b></A> : I disagree sailor.  It is a free market, but the invisible hand is not a gentle one, and those with money, have bought the cusions for their back ends.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : The Administrations way...<br><br>it is now only a free market when Mr and Mrs Joe Blow lose their money.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : Who doesn't love free money from the government...<br><br>:uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : lol..just rebought my fannie position i sold at 15.00..<br>bought it back for 1.27.<br><br>The trading action in fannie and freddie is completely insane today and hopefully i'll be able to unload it for some nice change.<br><br>If not..well..it's not too far to zero from here. :)<br><br>Overall..the market is looking great though. + 272 pts on the dow. I guess everyone likes the government taking aggressive action on this.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I hope Rick got out of his position of Fannie/Freddie...looks like shareholders are going to be completely wiped out.  <br> </div>I sold/traded half as posted a few pages back. The other half I still have. I think the jury is still out as to whether it will be a total wipe out. The government is taking about 80% of the company in return for their financial backing..leaving about 20% for current shareholders. With the market cap at about 3 billion right now..that more or less creates an implied value of 15 Billion for each company. If and when things recover..that could prove to be a steal compared to where it used to trade. Depending on where it trades tomorrow, I might jump in and pick up the other half I sold and play it for a trade. I'll play it by ear and see how it goes.<br><br>Personally though, I've been a lot more negative on the whole sector than I was. And not just because of this news.<br>The Mortgage Bankers Assoc. recently reported that 9% + of all mortgages are now delinquent as well as 30% + of subprime mortgages. Those numbers are astounding and it shows how deep these problems are and how impacted even the conventional market is now. An even bigger problem is what is happening to the value of the homes that are securing these loans. I follow the bank foreclosure real estate market quite closely and it's no stretch to say that banks are now giving these properties away that they're taking back. One property I know of just went for about 70% off the highs it reached in 2005~early 2006. That takes the valuations back all the way into the lows of the mid to late 1990's. The real big problem is with sales now happening like that..they'll become the comparables used for valuing all real estate in time. When you take that kind of a default rate and apply it against these values..there is a tremendous amount of unsecured mortgages out there being held across the board. Even worse, it's hard to see anything really that can turn it around.<br>Subprime borrowers won't be getting loans for a long time to come..conventional lenders will want their big down payments..and there's a huge supply of foreclosures competing with the existing home supply. IMO..this could take decades to turn around. It took 15 years for real estate values to recover from the mid 80's boom. And that was only because lending policies got so liberal. That won't happen again in our lifetime after this.<br><br>On the plus side..it's really a buyers market out there.<br>First time buyers and those with good credit can get some great deals from these banks. And investors can get some unheard of deals right now as well if they want to get into some rental properties.<br><br>As for what the government is doing, whether it's right or wrong is debatable. If there was going to be a mortgage market left in this country though, it's probably the only thing left that could have happened.<br><br>It really is quite astounding all that has happened the last couple of years in this country. If there's a lesson to be learned, it's about how important it is to be diversified. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I hope Rick got out of his position of Fannie/Freddie...looks like shareholders are going to be completely wiped out.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>americans like to be critical of the "socialized" structures in europe but it is worth pointing out that the mortgage business over there is private enterprise. There is no equivalent of fannie and freddie.<br> </div>Americans should be more critical of what we have here. There's simply no excuse for federal seizure of this magnitude. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : americans like to be critical of the "socialized" structures in europe but it is worth pointing out that the mortgage business over there is private enterprise. There is no equivalent of fannie and freddie.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <b>Gov't to take over Fannie and Freddie at a cost of billions to us, the U.S. taxpaying suckers!</b><br><br>________<br><br>Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are expected to be taken over by the government as soon as this weekend in a bold move designed to protect the mortgage market from the risk the companies could fail, a person briefed on the matter said Friday night.<br><br>Some of the details of the intervention, which could cost taxpayers billions, were not yet available, but are expected to include the departure of Fannie Mae CEO Daniel Mudd and Freddie Mac CEO Richard Syron, according to the source, who asked not to be named because the plan was yet to be announced. <br><br>Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and James Lockhart, the companies' chief regulator, met Friday afternoon with the top executives from the mortgage companies and informed them of the government's plan to take over the troubled companies in a process known as conservatorship. <br><br>The news, first reported on The Wall Street Journal's Web site, came after stock markets closed. In after-hours trading Fannie Mae's shares plunged $1.70, or 24 percent, to $5.34. Freddie Mac's shares fell 95 cents, or almost 19 percent, to $4.15.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080905/mortgage_giants_crisis.html" >biz.yahoo.com/ap/080905/mortgage&middot;&middot;&middot;sis.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/stock-market-may-already-voting/story.aspx?guid={F82F7147-937C-4AC7-A226-5002673EAC0C}&siteid=yhoof" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/s&middot;&middot;&middot;id=yhoof</A><br><div class="bquote">Has the stock market already voted by absentee ballot in this November's presidential race? It may very well be in the process of doing just that. <br><br>During Septembers of years in which the incumbent party goes on to win the White House, the Dow has produced an average gain of 0.32%. During Septembers in which the incumbent party lost, in contrast, the Dow has produced an average loss of 0.71%. For the still-young month of September, the Dow is now down 3.1%. </div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Sarah <A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>That, and the dollar just hit an all time high vs. the Euro.<br> </div>That seems incredibly unlikely. <br> </div>You're right. I meant to say <b>6 month high.</b>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/282410"><b>Sarah</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  tapeloop <A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>That, and the dollar just hit an all time high vs. the Euro.<br> </div>That seems incredibly unlikely. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1031550"><b>tapeloop</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>And we thought gas prices were high before...can't wait to see what they are after Gustav.<br> </div>Oil prices are dropping bigtime this morning...down 8.73 a barrel right now trading at about $106.70 a barrel.<br> </div>Gustav turned out to be not as bad as previously expected and nowhere near as bad as Katrina was.<br><br>That, and the dollar just hit an <strike>all time</strike> 6-month high vs. the Euro.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : Well there's an election coming up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  RWoods <A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>And we thought gas prices were high before...can't wait to see what they are after Gustav.<br> </div>Oil prices are dropping bigtime this morning...down 8.73 a barrel right now trading at about $106.70 a barrel.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : And we thought gas prices were high before...can't wait to see what they are after Gustav.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I like how Wall Street now seems to think they should be able to buy up frozen pension plans.  10 years from now, we'll be hearing about a pension fund bailout after investment banks use them as a place to dump all of their toxic waste.  And they'll be able to charge ridiculous fees on top of it.    ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><b>IcEr3K</b></A> : No problem.  That is correct, the difference is $8, multiply it by 25 shares = $200 loss.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Got it. Thanks.<br><br>So for example, if something is selling for $4 and I put $100 in it to short, and it goes to $12, then I lose $200, right?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><b>IcEr3K</b></A> : Go under "Portfolios and Accounts" then click on the "My Profile" tab.<br><br>Under Trading agreements & routing you should see margin trading and option trading information.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:20:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : With my broker it doesn't cost extra, but I had to sign some forms. Short selling requires that you have a margin account so if you don't one you won't be able to do it.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/621/01/">Put's and End's too english Abuse's!!!</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:09:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : How do I find out? Does it cost extra?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:03:57 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/365646"><b>alg</b></A> : Do you have a margin account?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : I just see buy and sell. There is a separate "Options" tab but that doesn't have what you mention.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><b>IcEr3K</b></A> : On TD Ameritrade, just click on the "Trade" tab, then stocks.<br><br>It should give you four options: buy, sell, buy to cover, and sell short.<br><br>For your trade, you would sell short first, then buy to cover.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Just buy some longer dated put options.<br><br>back to the subject at hand, it appears there might be a large failure just around the corner. It would be a shame if it was Lehman, i still have their "going public" t-shirt from 96, it has their stock certificate printed on it. Despite using it regularly, the t-shirt stands a chance of outlasting the firm.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : What's the point of putting $100? To play around why don't you try one of those fake portfolios. MSN money has a good one. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Couldn't I play around with $100? This way if the price triples, all I lose is $200? I don't plan on doing big amounts of money, I just don't know what page I go to short using my online account.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Agreed.  I think the ship has sailed on the shorting of FRE and FNM.  I'd think a better bet would be on Wachovia or Merrill, but I don't really know much about shorting strategy.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/325950"><b>Mentat</b></A> : Unless you have lots of money and/or time to waste, I'd suggest that you focus more on learning shorting strategy rather than losing your ass shorting Fannie and Freddie with the rest of the day trader crowd.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : How do I short a stock using TDAmeritrade? And then do I do anything special to buy it back when the price goes lower?<br><br>I want to short either FRE or FNM... if the government bails either of those out, do I lose money or gain money if I short the stock?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Forgot to add this regarding employees losing pensions...also from 2005<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/retirement/2005-12-06-eroding-pensions_x.htm" >www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/ret&middot;&middot;&middot;ns_x.htm</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2407779.stm" >news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2407779.stm</A><br><br>Edit: Finally this<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.makingsteel.com/delphicase.html" >www.makingsteel.com/delphicase.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : These two articles might help.<br><br>From Sept 2005 <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/business/18pensions.html?pagewanted=3" >www.nytimes.com/2005/09/18/busin&middot;&middot;&middot;wanted=3</A><br><br>And a month later in October of 2005<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3241delphi_vultures.html" >www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3&middot;&middot;&middot;res.html</A> <br><br>As in steel back then, the pension and healthcare is what will cause GM to file bankruptcy IMO. You mentioned earlier them having cash for a year or two and I haven't looked in over a month or so but I believe GM only had approx 8 months of cash left at the rate they are burning money up. But I could be off on that figure.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : I'm not a bankruptcy expert by any stretch of the imagination, but to file for bankruptcy don't you have to show the inability to pay creditors?  I have no idea the true financial situation Ford and GM are in, but it seems like most "experts" are saying they have a little bit of time before they would reach the point of not being able to pay creditors or service its debt.  Then again, if sales continue to drop and the resale value of off lease vehicles continue to plummet, I guess they may reach that point sooner than the "experts" think.     ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : The only way I see GM succeeding is to fail first..File bankruptcy and wipe the slate clean as much as possible regarding debt and obligations and then reorganize....similar to what took place in steel years ago..<br><br>After that, I personally would like to see GM and Ford become one and then sell off the dead wood cars and merge their best sellers and then come up with fresh new ideas.<br><br>( I'm short GM and expect it to eventually go to single digits either before or after a bankruptcy/reorganization announcement...but this of course is just my own opinion )]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I have this gut feeling that soon we will all hear a major bank or GM or Ford will announce bankruptcy.<br> </div>I'd guess it would be a major bank.  It sounds like GM and Ford have enough cash for a year or two.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : This was the headline on the main page of Yahoo Finance center today, August 14, 2008.<br><br>The headline reads positive but then look at the next 3 sub-title stories below it...<br><br>So much for everything being Hunky Dory.  :)<br><br>I have this gut feeling that soon we will all hear a major bank or GM or Ford will announce bankruptcy.<br><br>Locally, here on Long Island:<br><br>Lenders repossessed 150 homes on Long Island this past month, part of a 184 percent increase from a year ago in nationwide foreclosures, according to figures to be released Thursday by RealtyTrac, an online market for foreclosures.<br><br>The 69 foreclosures in Nassau represent a 97 percent increase from a year ago. In Suffolk 81 homes were seized, but the change over last year is not clear because RealtyTrac recorded zero foreclosures for Suffolk in July 2007, when it had problems getting data. There were 109 repossessions in Queens this past month compared to 23 a year ago, a 374 percent increase, data show.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-vpgps14q5800190aug14,0,473560.story" >www.newsday.com/business/ny-vpgp&middot;&middot;&middot;60.story</A><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20951416?c=1338943&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="9985 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=460 HEIGHT=219 SRC="/r0/download/1338943~da88b584ffde3110dcadf9aac7c51a17/stocksheadline8_14_08.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : I went with Alliant Credit Union - 3.90% APY for a 12 month CD. There's a $200 difference between the yield at Alliant and Wamu but I can deal with that. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/810471"><b>Nanoprobe</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hey guys,<br><br>How's GMAC bank doing? Lemme answer my own question:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/commmm.asp?fedid=3284070" >www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/c&middot;&middot;&middot;=3284070</A><br><br>It seems to be in a good shape right now BUT what is the next 1yr prediction on this? I need to open a 12 month CD and I'm weighing between GMAC and Discover Bank (has slightly lower rates).<br> </div>FWIW you may want to check in your local area for community banks and credit unions. You might find better rates with less risks that you won't see listed at bankrate dot com.<br><small>--<br>Two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity: and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Ok, that's scary. Now I'll have to look again.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917654"><b>pauldenton</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Which large bank isn't?<br> </div>few (if any) to the extent of <b>GM</b>AC.....<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>Robert Hull, GMAC&#146;s chief financial officer, said on Thursday that recoveries on SUV sales in June were only 75 per cent of expected values. Resale prices have often exceeded residual values in the past.<br><br>Losses have been highest on short-term leases where the residual value makes up a higher proportion of the lease carrying value<br>.<br>.<br>The blow to GMAC has been cushioned by a 2006 risk-sharing agreement with GM, under which the carmaker has already paid GMAC $350m and is on the hook for another $1.5bn as existing leases expire.<br>.<br>.<br>GMAC, which has almost 1.5m leased vehicles on its books, said it aimed to contain future losses by cutting back on its US leasing business, halting lease incentives in Canada, and encouraging drivers to hold on to their vehicles after leases expire. Chrysler&#146;s financing arm announced last week that it was pulling out of the leasing business.<hr></blockquote><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/931d20b0-5f22-11dd-91c0-000077b07658.html" >www.ft.com/cms/s/0/931d20b0-5f22&middot;&middot;&middot;658.html</A><br><br>the risk sharing agreement only applies to leases existing in q2 2006... <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gm.com/corporate/investor_information/docs/fin_data/gm06ar/content/financials/notes/notes_04.html" >www.gm.com/corporate/investor_in&middot;&middot;&middot;_04.html</A><br><br>so the <i>very short</i> leases that are the most likely to be problematic are all purely GMAC's problem....<br><br>1.5 million vehicles is a hell of a writedown just waiting to crystalise  :huh:<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>GMAC said it has $30 billion in North American leases. That includes $12 billion in SUVs and $6 billion in other trucks, vehicle types that are losing sales because of $4 gasoline.<br><br>The residual value is what a vehicle is worth when a customer returns it at the end of a lease. <b>The lender's residual losses average $11,000 a vehicle for GM models, GMAC Chief Financial Officer Robert Hull said yesterday.</b> <hr></blockquote><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afQNJ5isng6Y&refer=home" >www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=&middot;&middot;&middot;fer=home</A><br><br>1.5million*$11k = $16.5Bn..... and that's if the market in second-hand "gas guzzlers" gets <i>no worse</i> - not something i'd put any money on....  :hmm:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/917654"><b>pauldenton</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Hey guys,<br><br>How's GMAC bank doing? Lemme answer my own question:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/commmm.asp?fedid=3284070" >www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/c&middot;&middot;&middot;=3284070</A><br><br>It seems to be in a good shape right now BUT what is the next 1yr prediction on this? I need to open a 12 month CD and I'm weighing between GMAC and Discover Bank (has slightly lower rates).<br> </div>fwiw GMAC will, of course, have been seriously involved in financing vehicles, which may well now not be likely to be worth the "minimum future value" :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Hey guys,<br><br>How's GMAC bank doing? Lemme answer my own question:<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/commmm.asp?fedid=3284070" >www.bankrate.com/brm/safesound/c&middot;&middot;&middot;=3284070</A><br><br>It seems to be in a good shape right now BUT what is the next 1yr prediction on this? I need to open a 12 month CD and I'm weighing between GMAC and Discover Bank (has slightly lower rates).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : Not unless Microsoft comes back with a new offer.  I don't think there will be many stocks with 30%+ increases in the next few months in this market. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Anyone think Yahoo will see $30+ in the next few months?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/300287"><b>ariesguy</b></A> : Ouch.<br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors reported a huge second-quarter net loss Friday of $15.5 billion, after restructuring and other charges, as the automaker's run of troubles continued.<br><br>The automaker lost $27.33 per share in the quarter, compared to a profit of $784 million, or $1.37 per share, a year earlier...<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news/companies/general_motors/index.htm?cnn=yes" >money.cnn.com/2008/08/01/news/co&middot;&middot;&middot;?cnn=yes</A><br><hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : Don't forget sweeping data reporting provisions of the bill that the many major media outlets seem to have avoided even mentioning.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/small-business/2008/07/housing_bill_includes_sweeping.html" >blog.washingtonpost.com/small-bu&middot;&middot;&middot;ing.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1487982"><b>TheRul</b></A> : Has anyone looked at this bill???<br><br>If I read the right bill<br>in order to qualify you must be paying >31% of your income, as of the first of the year to your mortgage and still be in good standing.<br><br>Then your mortgage holder must be willing to write off everything over 90% of your <b>current</b> home value.<br><br>for example, a 330000 mortgage on a home that is worth 275000 now.  PTI (principal + Tax + intrest) = $2800 <br>single family income of 5600 (making it easy) so income is 50%  The family qualifies.   The mortgage carrier must be willing to write off $82500 for this family to be able to refi.  Dropping the payment (assuming no intrest changes) down between 600 ~ 800 dollars, depending on taxes.  Keeping the family in the house and keeping the mortgage carrier from having to sell the house on a bad market.<br><br>The when the family sells this house (when not if) <b>50%</b> of the profit <b>minimum</b> must be given to FHA.  The only way I see out of this is to refi, but I have not seen the rules on that yet.  <br>This could possibly be a big money maker for the FHA.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/pubgames"> Is this the right room for an argument? </a><br>WHEN EVOLUTION IS OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL EVOLVE</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : I've said it before and I'll say it again...Who really are the speculators!!!!<br><br>___________<br><br><i>"The Treasury Department gains unlimited power, until the end of 2009, to lend money to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac or <b>buy their stock should they need it.</b> The Federal Reserve takes on a new "consultative" role overseeing the companies."</i><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_on_go_pr_wh/housing_bill" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080730/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;ing_bill</A><br><br>Never mind being held accountable for piss-poor financial management, just throw good money after bad and let our children and grandchildren pay the tab years from now down the road. And won't even mention the tab for years and years of invasions and continued occupations of foreign lands while the infrastructure in America continues to  deteriorate on a daily basis.<br><br>And to think there was a $128 billion surplus just 7 years ago...<br><br>Future generations are already so screwed!  :( :mad:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : no question, an example of the sign of the times...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Look at this:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_en_tv/tv_extreme_makeover_foreclosure;_ylt=AgtH0xr87Nw.bRD.rxxaiwgDW7oF" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;iwgDW7oF</A><br><br>isn't that just symptomatic of the larger market? family realizes their home can be now used as an ATM. Mortgage broker with optimistic appraisal in hand happily give them all the rope they need to hang themselves. 3 years later, foreclosed .. and presumably the cash is all gone on trinkets.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The real gauge as to what will happen really depends on how much real estate values fall. If they go back to the mid to later 90's valuations..which they might..there will be a lot more problems because you're essentially wiping out an entire decades worth of appreciation..and the security of literally every loan made this decade.<br> </div>Right now where I live, there are many homes that have recently sold at or below the original builders price from a few years ago. In many cases these homes now includes all the updgrades, landscaping, hardscaping, pools, etc.<br><br> <div class="bquote">Imagine all 400,000 to 1 million of those homes going into foreclosure instead. Easily..prices would retreat back to the lows of the 90's if that were to happen.<br> </div>In the latest mr. mortgage video, I think he said in CA that 15k+ foreclosures are going back to the bank in a months time, unprecedented.<br><br> <div class="bquote">You'd have foreclosures competing bigtime with existing supply of homes on the market..and on top of that..financing that has all but dried up except for conventional borrowers..and it would make for some very low prices.<br> </div>That's already happened here. REO's and short sales are the market maker...<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  ariesguy <A HREF="/useremail/u/300287"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>That's looking at the situation with blinders on.. During these times so many of those people RE-financed or added a 2nd mortgage or a HELOC. Just because they got in before the craziness, doesn't mean they didn't jump into the craziness for no reason other than "free" money. <br><br> </div>I'm not looking at the situation with blinders on at all..and realize those situations exist. But to negate the fact that with real estate values having risen so much..and the POSITIVE impact that had on EVERY LOAN ever made prior to that period that is still in existence....is really putting blinders on! In addition, there are many..many people who didn't refinance into a higher balance, they just wanted to lower the rate on their existing balance thereby keeping their equity intact. People DID..and do add home equity loans on top of that..but first mortgage lenders and government agency backers wouldn't be responsible for those.<br><br>Again..I'm not saying there aren't problems out there..and difficult times ahead..but too many people aren't weighing the whole picture when considering the health of these mortgage pools that are out there.<br><br>The real gauge as to what will happen really depends on how much real estate values fall. If they go back to the mid to later 90's valuations..which they might..there will be a lot more problems because you're essentially wiping out an entire decades worth of appreciation..and the security of literally every loan made this decade.<br><br>Some or even many areas though still seem to be holding up fairly well. While there's some foreclosures around here in Ct..I think overall pricing has held pretty decent in the overall market place. The FHA program, while a huge subsidy for some deadbeat borrowers and something I cringe at..will probably help the overall real estate market. Imagine all 400,000 to 1 million of those homes going into foreclosure instead. Easily..prices would retreat back to the lows of the 90's if that were to happen.<br><br>You'd have foreclosures competing bigtime with existing supply of homes on the market..and on top of that..financing that has all but dried up except for conventional borrowers..and it would make for some very low prices.<br><br>Anyways..we'll see. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/300287"><b>ariesguy</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>But a BIG thing that people leave out is this.<br><br>With rising real estate values over the last decade..which are still considerably up in many areas from the late 1990's and early 2000's..how much BETTER a shape are all those loans in from a security standpoint that are backed by these government agencies?<br><br>We keep hearing about this housing and loan crisis brought on by risky lending practices in mainly 2004 ~ 2006. And for sure..there was plenty of that to go around in primarily the subprime and alt a markets. But we're talking about 2 to 3 years at most...while EVERY OTHER LOAN MADE and back by these agencies for the decades past has now BENEFITED by the rising values. Benefited in terms of how secured they are..and how fewer LOSS potential there will be.<br> </div>That's looking at the situation with blinders on.. During these times so many of those people RE-financed or added a 2nd mortgage or a HELOC. Just because they got in before the craziness, doesn't mean they didn't jump into the craziness for no reason other than "free" money. <br><br>Tons of people refinanced to take advantage of that equity. $50K here to pay off some debt, $30K there to buy a car, a quick $20K for a vacation. I think it's foolish to discount how many people refinanced good, solid loans during this period and took pay option ARMS or 3/1s or 5/1s. There's a lot of solid people who put themselves in some bad positions.<br><br>Having worked in mortgages, I've seen first hand how people were drawing out their equity. We would payoff peoples debts (generally from $20K-$100K) and see them back in 6 months with the same amount of debt. Most of these weren't sub-prime borrowers. These were the 700+ Fico people. So many of them wanted the lowest rates/payments, so they took payoptions, 3/1s and 5/1s...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With rising real estate values over the last decade..which are still considerably up in many areas from the late 1990's and early 2000's..how much BETTER a shape are all those loans in from a security standpoint that are backed by these government agencies?<br></div>They are only in good shape if still in place. The question is really how much refi/heloc money came out of those loans...?<br><br><div class="bquote">We keep hearing about this housing and loan crisis brought on by risky lending practices in mainly <i>2002</i> <strike>2004</strike> ~ <strike>2006</strike> <b>January 2008</b>. And for sure..there was plenty of that to go around in primarily the <strike>subprime</strike> <i>prime and alt a markets</i>. But we're talking about <strike>2 to 3</strike> <i>6 years</i> at <strike>most</strike> <i>least</i>...while EVERY OTHER LOAN MADE and back by these agencies for the decades past has now BENEFITED by the rising values. Benefited in terms of how secured they are..and how fewer LOSS potential there will be.<br></div>I live in SoCal, so my idea of the housing market may be vastly different, but I can tell you that many loan programs of the bubble years were still available until CW hit the skids at the beginning of the year. Additionally, the most fraud and speculation undoubtedly came from prime and alt-a borrowers, when it's all said and done it will dwarf subprime dramatically.<br><br>What is the benefit to fannie/freddie when home prices rise...? What's the correlation to people making their mortgage payments...?<br><br><div class="bquote">As I've posted in the past..what people also aren't looking at is default rates in the conventional market. While elevated some..they're not that bad. And that is the precursor to losses. <br></div>That's only if you believe the numbers that are being reported, which I don't.<br><br><div class="bquote">IMHO..a lot of the damage has already been done..and has been written off. Moves like this to prevent more foreclosures from coming to market will help the housing industry and real estate values overall from falling more than they otherwise would have.<br></div>I think we're only in the 2-3 inning of this ballgame. I can't wait to see the unintended consequences that come from this...<br><br><div class="bquote">Take a loan made on a house in 1990~1998 backed by fannie or freddie.<br><br>How much did the VALUE of that house run up in 2000 to 2006? Easily 200 to 300% in some markets.<br><br>How much more SECURE did it make ALL those loans?<br></div>The only correlation we actually see is refi/heloc's coming from that...<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : And, your solution then is...what??<br>Close them down, eliminate the source of 50% of this nations mortgage financing?<br><br>It's not going to happen anymore than the government allowed the bear stearns fiasco to take down the nations..and perhaps the worlds financial system.<br><br>I simply wouldn't lay the blame for all these issues at the feet of institutions like fannie and freddie. They were as conservative as conservative could be during the times when many others lost their minds as far as underwriting standards go.<br><br>And, the point I made is ultimately going to make a huge difference. The exact amount is yet to be determined. It really depends on how far home prices fall.<br><br>You simply cannot say that my point isn't very valid however. We're talking about agencies that made and backed mortgages for 30 years. What happened over 2 to 3 of them, while significant..doesn't come close to telling the story of the shape their overall portfolio is now in.<br><br>If Joe customer took out a loan in 1996 for 80% or more with PMI...the market had a 200 to 300% run up in values over the period 2000 to 2006..and now has a 30% pullback..the government agencies exposure and ultimate loss potential on years and years and years worth of loans is now much less than it otherwise would be. They ARE taking losses for the more recent years..and some big ones. But it simply doesn't override 30 years worth of lending.<br><br>So much what has happened is a crisis of confidence and fear. So far..fannie and freddie haven't needed one cent of bailout.<br>That should be kept in mind.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : it doesn't make any difference<br>Fnm ate their capital up by writing a bunch of alt a loans that are now severely impaired. They are leveraged over 100 to 1 .. If they stuck to their old standards they wouldn't be in the mess they are now in and begging for a bailout.<br>Doesn't matter what their history is. Wind them up and they have negative equity. That's a failure.   ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So, more opportunity for appraisal fraud?<br> </div>Yea..except now the customers will want the value LOWER because they'll get more written off!<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : But a BIG thing that people leave out is this.<br><br>With rising real estate values over the last decade..which are still considerably up in many areas from the late 1990's and early 2000's..how much BETTER a shape are all those loans in from a security standpoint that are backed by these government agencies?<br><br>We keep hearing about this housing and loan crisis brought on by risky lending practices in mainly 2004 ~ 2006. And for sure..there was plenty of that to go around in primarily the subprime and alt a markets. But we're talking about 2 to 3 years at most...while EVERY OTHER LOAN MADE and back by these agencies for the decades past has now BENEFITED by the rising values. Benefited in terms of how secured they are..and how fewer LOSS potential there will be.<br><br>Everyone is running for the doors in panic across the whole financial sector..and forgetting that one tiny little tidbit! And IMHO..IN TIME..that will more than offset the losses now being taken.<br><br>As I've posted in the past..what people also aren't looking at is default rates in the conventional market. While elevated some..they're not that bad. And that is the precursor to losses. <br><br>IMHO..a lot of the damage has already been done..and has been written off. Moves like this to prevent more foreclosures from coming to market will help the housing industry and real estate values overall from falling more than they otherwise would have. I'm not going to say i'm particularly bullish on any financial stock..and even fannie and freddie..but they're in a class of their own, now backed by the government and all things considered..aren't the ones who caused this..even if standards were relaxed somewhat.<br><br>Anyways..my .02 cents worth.<br><br>BTW..to demonstrate what i mean..here's a little math to consider..<br><br>Take a loan made on a house in 1990~1998 backed by fannie or freddie.<br><br>How much did the VALUE of that house run up in 2000 to 2006? Easily 200 to 300% in some markets.<br><br>How much more SECURE did it make ALL those loans?<br><br>Ok..so house values have pulled back maybe 30% in some areas..loans have been written off left and right that were made in 2005 and 2006.<br><br>But consider the number of those loans Versus how better secured their entire portfolio is for the entire 10 or 20 years past..still..even after this pullback.<br><br>See my point?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The CUSTOMERS..on the other hand..my oh my..what a windfall they get.<br>Buy a house 2 years ago that has fallen that much..they get their house reappraised..a new loan amount of only 90% of THAT amount..a new lower rate fixed rate loan..AND..if the house appreciates..they get to share in that as well..subject to a 50% cap in 5 years time.<br><br> </div>So, more opportunity for appraisal fraud?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>[<br>It's also worth recalling that it wasn't their lending policies that created this mess. They have been around a long time and have had good underwriting standards while the subprime and alt A lenders went ballistic.<br> </div>Not true.<br><br>A. They DID have 20% standards, but their market share fell with the rising sub-prime and Countrywide/WaMu type lenders. So they relaxed their rules. They started allowing stated income (liar loans) they started changing the 20% minimum down. They undermined their own standards to keep market share.<br><br>B. Their capital base is eroded because of THEIR fiscal mismanagement. They were leveraged to the hilt. They packaged their loans to the world while impressing on everyone that they were backed by the US government (when this was never explicit). Their cost of funding was artificially low - yet they did not arrange their balance sheet to survive any small shock (actually a return to reality).<br><br>C. Their executive team paid themselves handsomely and the companies spent a fortune on lobbying. They basically did everything in their power to continue both the implicit government backing, while raking in the private enterprise rewards for the profits to be made out of the taxpayer.<br><br>So basically their situation WAS of their own making. Unless the management are fired, they are not getting held responsible for anything.<br><br>The country may need a government backed mortgage outfit (although why it does I don't know - other countries manage quite well with 100% private mortgage banking) but if so they need to destroy the two companies and remake them correctly.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>So there's no lender incentive to sign up for this en masse?<br> </div>Nope.<br>It's a case by case issue.<br><br>And the way it works is this.<br><br>Lets say xyz bank made a mortgage to someone in california<br>for 700,000. And today..the property is worth 450k. <br><br>In order to get the loan off their hands..the lender would have to do this. <br>a)write the loan down to 90% of the CURRENT value..ie: 450k x 90%<br><br>b)write off as uncollectable the remaining amount.<br><br>c)pay FHA 3% of the new loan amount.ie: 450 x 3%<br><br>then, and only then would they get the loan off their books..handed off to a new lender and backed by the fha.<br><br>Let's consider the loss the lender would take.<br>700k original loan amount - 450k = 250,000 loss.<br>Another 10% of the current value of the house = 45k<br>3% of 450k = 13,500 or a total loss of<br>a little more than 308,000.<br><br>The CUSTOMERS..on the other hand..my oh my..what a windfall they get.<br>Buy a house 2 years ago that has fallen that much..they get their house reappraised..a new loan amount of only 90% of THAT amount..a new lower rate fixed rate loan..AND..if the house appreciates..they get to share in that as well..subject to a 50% cap in 5 years time.<br><br>There are a couple other things including a 3% fee they'd have to pay if they sold the house and a 1.5% insurance premium...but they'd pay that anyway in a normal refinance.<br><br>This is a HUGE win for people who got way overextended.<br><br>And, the FHA..they're not in bad shape. They're taking on all these loans but should be well secured given all the fees and appreciation they'll get.<br><br>The loser by far is the original lenders.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : This carryover of which you speak. Wouldn't that be primarily due to the fact that they bought any and every mortgage they possibly could? They took on financial risk without thought to ramifications of those decisions.<br><br>50% of American citizens losing their home, that's the kind of thing revolution is made out of. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>LMAO, thanks.<br> </div>LMAO?<br><br>You are aware aren't you that fannie and freddie buy 50% of every mortgage written in this country.<br><br>Is your alternative to simply shut down the U.S. housing industry and let them fail?<br><br>This is why I bought their stock. Because that's just not going to happen. And shouldn't.<br><br>It's also worth recalling that it wasn't their lending policies that created this mess. They have been around a long time and have had good underwriting standards while the subprime and alt A lenders went ballistic.<br><br>We're talking about the carryover effect now..and how it's hurting them. <br><br>This wasn't their doing though.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Who died and left you my spokesman?<br><br>FYI..I don't care for the program much at all.<br><br>Nice guess though.  :uhh:</div>I see, well then why don't you tell me what you think..<br><br><div class="bquote">FYI..my position is that the government supporting fannie and freddie and keeping the flow of mortgage money available to consumers in this country is critical.</div>LMAO, thanks.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>In fact, if you cared to do some math before forming your opinion..you'd see that the lenders barely reap any benefit at all from this ill conconceived program. They're required to write their loans down to 90% of their CURRENT appraised value..consider the rest uncollectable..then pay ANOTHER 3% on top of that to rid themselves of a loan.<br>Is that supposed to help the lender? No. It won't..and the program isn't designed to.<br>.............<br>As for the FHA themselves..their risk is minimal. They're taking on a loan at 90% of current value..getting a 3% upfront fee from the lender..another fee from the borrower when they sell..a share of the profits in any house appreciation down the road..and a 1.5% insurance premium to insure their loan to boot.<br> </div>So there's no lender incentive to sign up for this en masse?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AmeritecTech <A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Rick likes it, he thinks its the right move, these banks are too big to fail, it would be disastrous to the economy, it helps the stock market, etc. and everyone else thinks its shit.<br> </div>Who died and left you my spokesman?<br><br>FYI..I don't care for the program much at all.<br><br>Nice guess though.  :uhh:<br><br>FYI..my position is that the government supporting fannie and freddie and keeping the flow of mortgage money available to consumers in this country is critical.<br>That's a world of difference away from a program like this which bails individuals out of their mistakes having paid too much for a house and taken out a mortgage that they couldn't afford. That is a handout. The other protects our country and it's financial system. There is a big difference in that.<br><br>In fact, if you cared to do some math before forming your opinion..you'd see that the lenders barely reap any benefit at all from this ill conconceived program. They're required to write their loans down to 90% of their CURRENT appraised value..consider the rest uncollectable..then pay ANOTHER 3% on top of that to rid themselves of a loan.<br>Is that supposed to help the lender? No. It won't..and the program isn't designed to.<br><br>On the other hand..it's a HUGE windfall for some deadbeat borrowers. And that..I could never support.<br><br>As for the FHA themselves..their risk is minimal. They're taking on a loan at 90% of current value..getting a 3% upfront fee from the lender..another fee from the borrower when they sell..a share of the profits in any house appreciation down the road..and a 1.5% insurance premium to insure their loan to boot.<br><br>Nice damn deal for them.<br><br>Anyways....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : Rick likes it, he thinks its the right move, these banks are too big to fail, it would be disastrous to the economy, it helps the stock market, etc. and everyone else thinks its shit.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : So what do you folks think of this housing bill?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/26/real_estate/housing_rescue_guide/index.htm?postversion=2008072611" >money.cnn.com/2008/07/26/real_es&middot;&middot;&middot;08072611</A><br><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The Senate on Saturday passed a $300 billion housing rescue bill aimed at helping troubled homeowners avoid foreclosure and supporting mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.<br><br>President Bush is likely to sign the bill into law within days. After the law kicks in on Oct. 1, thousands of at-risk borrowers will be able to refinance their unaffordable old mortgages into new low-cost fixed-rate loans insured by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA).<hr></blockquote><br><br>On the bubble blogs, they're predicting this to be too little and too late.<br><br>Apparently, CA alone is a $3T mess.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I'm making a toxic stock portfolio addition this AM and bought a 50% position in CROX premarket at 4.89.<br><br>Not sure how it will play out in the short term but I sure feel more confident than the poor soul who paid 70 for it. ;)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CROX#chart1:symbol=crox;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" >finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CROX&middot;&middot;&middot;ndefined</A><br><br>The other 50% i'll keep available for averaging if needed.<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <br>Thanks. It's bit of a problem for me to fly down from Toronto to California to close that up and move it to Wells Fargo or BoA.<br><br>If Wamu goes down, I'll truly miss it - no fees ATMs, free checks for life, free domestic wire transfers, no minimum checking etc etc..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>When an insured bank or thrift closes, the FDIC usually arranges for another institution to take it over, including branches where you might have a safe deposit box. In those situations, you should be able to conduct business as usual. If the FDIC cannot find a buyer for your bank, it arranges for you to remove the contents of your box so you can obtain a box at another institution, if you wish. This is done within a few days after the bank fails.<hr></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <br>What happens to a safe deposit box if a bank goes under? I have one at Wamu.....]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : lol. Loving it? Backing up the truck? On THESE plays?<br><br>Let's just say I wouldn't bet my retirement fund on them...and particularly, on WM. Out of all my toxic buys, it's the one I'd be most leary about. It very well could be the next indy mac for all anyone knows.<br><br>With that said though, it's been a nice trade a couple of times now. And, even if it went to zero at this point I wouldn't be out much except to break even on it.<br><br>Anyways...<br>I didn't get to do any bargain hunting today unfortunately. Too busy all day to even watch the market and just catching up on the events of the day. Looks pretty ugly all the way around. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>And, after hours..even that 25% position is now trading at 4.86...so, we'll see how that goes in the days ahead.<br><br> </div>if you liked it at $4.86, you must love it at $3 !<br>BUY BUY BUY as cramer says. Backing up the truck?<br><br>seriously,<br>if they close today down 10+% after yesterday down 20+% I have to think even the slow will be queuing to remove their cash. Who wants money tied up with the FDIC and extra paperwork? And of course if IndyMac took out 20% or whatever of the FDIC reserves, what would Wamu require? Another taxpayer bailout?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : news doesn't seem to be that huge after all - trading flat vs yesterday.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I'm waiting till $14-15 to sell FRE. Hopefully a 50% gain in 2 days. <br> </div>We might very well see it. This news is huge for both fannie and freddie and essentially puts the entire U.S. treasury behind them. I'm looking forward to seeing what the premarket action looks like in the morning and will try to judge how i'll play it from there. I know i'll be keeping half the position at least. The other half i'd like to sell into a nice rally.<br><br>Congrats on getting in on the play as well. <br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Here comes the government to the rescue of our nations housing crisis.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080723/ap_on_go_co/congress_housing" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080723/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;_housing</A><br><br>Maybe not so good for the taxpayers..but great for the toxic stock portfolio..<br><br>Should be REAL sweet tomorrow for my Freddie position which i'm sitting on a 100% position at 7.80 which now looks to be about 11.50 at the last after hours price quote.<br><br>I'm probably going to be REAL tempted to sell at least half of it tomorrow for what will probably be a 50% gain in just a few days. I'll play it by ear tomorrow and in any event..will keep half the position longer term.<br><br>As far as the housing plan itself..I have mixed feelings.<br>The part about supporting fannie and freddie I have no problem with. It wasn't their lending practices that created this housing mess and it's vital to keep conventional mortgage money flowing..which is why they were created.<br>The jury is also still out on whether government intervention will even be needed and this may be more about reassuring the markets than anything else.<br><br>On the other hand..the 300 billion FHA rescue plan for 400,000 homeowners facing foreclosure strikes me as a hugely unfair subsidy to a group of people who both bought houses at their peak and couldn't afford the mortgages to begin with. Now..they get to have their lenders slash the balance, have the fha carry the reduced mortgage for them..and live happily ever after. Something is wrong with that picture and amounts to more than a helping hand.<br>The foreclosure process..while it can be ugly for many..also provides housing at reduced prices for first time buyers and investors alike to step into. This subsidy effectively just gives the property and benefits of that back to those who made all the mistakes to begin with.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Actually..no. The bottom was a few days ago where I was playing it in the 3's and sold it far too early for a 17% gain as posted a few pages back. And that's a good example of where If I was a bit more investment minded..that buy would have worked out even better.<br><br>While I do trade a few stocks from time to time and have had very good success with these the last few days I think that overall as a consistent strategy, investing is more for me these days. I used to daytrade a lot and had decent results but considering the time involved, record keeping and positions that wound up going the other way and wound up being investments anyway..the net result was that longer term fund investing worked out well enough.<br><br>Rather than being called a trader I'm more a value buyer and if that gives me short term quick gains..so be it. I'll take that as well..while holding some longer term.<br><br>Works out well for me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : to buy in at 4.65 and sell out at 6.31 over 24 hours requires you to have perfectly picked the bottom of the last few days, and perfectly picked the top right at the next trading session: a day that subsequently ended down 20%. Maybe you should just be a day trader after all.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Seems like your other 75% is under water at close.<br> </div>mmm..more like my other 25% position. I was only in a 50% position to start with..and sold half of that today for a one day 31% gain.<br><br>From my earlier post above:<br>"Anyways..WM..I'm back in at 4.76..50% position."<br><br>And, after hours..even that 25% position is now trading at 4.86...so, we'll see how that goes in the days ahead.<br><br>Anyways..given my call on both the financials and Auto's looks like i'll be adding several feet to that boat purchase when I hit the showrooms.<br><br>Would you mind if I named it "The Pub"? :)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.hatterasyachts.com/64int.cfm" >www.hatterasyachts.com/64int.cfm</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Ok, just bailed on 25% of my WM position bought yesterday at 4.76..sold at 6.23 for a cool 31% gain in a day.<br><br>WM losing money? It DON'T MATTER!! :)<br><br>I'll stay in the other 25% position and see how it goes.<br> </div>Seems like your other 75% is under water at close.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : News must have leaked early afternoon as both XM & Sirius have jumped over 10% in late afternoon trading. <br>[att=1]<br>News on the deal and the 3-2 Repub-Dem vote in WSJ about 4 PM. So insiders got the leak ahead of time.<br><br>The dip before noon was when FCC Commissioner Adelstein voted NO on the merger. And when Repub Commissioner Tate got more concessions and decided to vote yes the stock jumped. <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121683130281477651.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" >online.wsj.com/article/SB1216831&middot;&middot;&middot;news_wsj</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/20837800?c=1331340&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODc1MTk3OC54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="67372 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=316 SRC="/r0/download/1331340.thumb600~8aa6e857a6ab2d8a786cdc53bc0ee393/xm.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Ok, just bailed on 25% of my WM position bought yesterday at 4.76..sold at 6.23 for a cool 31% gain in a day.<br><br>WM losing money? It DON'T MATTER!! :)<br><br>I'll stay in the other 25% position and see how it goes.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  IcEr3K <A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Any thoughts on UAUA and SNDK?<br><br>I was able to make a 50% profit on UAUA after buying it yesterday afternoon.<br> </div>I'd rather be in the automakers than airlines. GM and Tata motors (TTM)..both which I posted buys here for the toxic portfolio have been doing very well. I compare the two somewhat because both are very impacted by the fuel situation and have taken huge hits because of it. The difference with the automakers is I think they can cost cut..downsize and produce more fuel efficient vehicles versus the airlines having a much more difficult time of this I think.<br><br>My last play on an airline stock was to short continental in 2007 at about 43 a share.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CAL#chart1:symbol=cal;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined" >finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=CAL#&middot;&middot;&middot;ndefined</A><br><br>No opinion on any of their stocks at this point and maybe they will bounce if oil continues to come down....but I wouldn't be in any of them myself.<br>They're all pretty much bankruptcy candidates.<br><br>I really think that investors might want to take a look at Tata motors. Two words describe them and their market position..India and Asia. And they make some very low cost..fuel efficient vehicles. <br>TTM will be back at 20 I think in the medium term...making it a double from here.<br>(I'm in at 9 and change as posted previously)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I'm telling you ..it's insanity in these toxic stocks. Look at WB today..they lost 8 billion and the stock goes up 27%.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WB" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WB</A><br><br>WM after hours only pulled back to about 5.58 or so it appears..still putting me up about 17% from my buy this morning. After seeing what WB was doing..it prompted me to pull the trigger on it again at it's lows figuring even if the news was bad..the market really wouldn't care.<br><br>What's driving these runnups is hard to say but maybe the market just see's them as surviving at all as being a good thing. And hopes that these big losses are going to be it.<br>Anyways..nice day as well for my fnsr position...+ 10 1/2 % as well.<br><br>The toxic portfolio is still batting 100% winners. :)<br><br>(trying to decide what else i need besides the new boat. ;) )<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:08:26 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Good luck with that WM position given those appalling results AH. How can they lose money even on their credit card biz? they are facing a junk rating. Them and wachovia - key supporters of the fog-a-mirror-get-a-loan economy.<br><br>Mind you in this market anything short of going spectacularly broke appears to be considered a screaming buy. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : A huge increase in price for FRE towards the close. People are expecting the bill to be passed. <br><small>--<br>I found the key to success but somebody changed the lock.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:16:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080722/bs_nm/semgroup_dc" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080722/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;group_dc</A><br><div class="bquote">A massive $3.2 billion trading loss on oil futures and derivatives sank high flying energy trader SemGroup LP, which at one time billed itself as the 14th-largest private company in the United States.<br><br>The Tulsa-based SemGroup shorted NYMEX crude oil futures to hedge against a decline in the value of the oil it purchased as part of its 500,000-barrel-per-day trading business, according to court documents, before surging crude prices forced it to recognize billions of dollars in losses on futures positions.<br><br>SemGroup listed assets of $6.14 billion and liabilities of $7.53 billion in its bankruptcy filing. Liabilities included $3.1 billion of total debt, including $2 billion of secured debt and $594 million in unsecured notes.</div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/291129"><b>IcEr3K</b></A> : Any thoughts on UAUA and SNDK?<br><br>I was able to make a 50% profit on UAUA after buying it yesterday afternoon.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:08:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Ok..it's time for a little toxic stock portfolio action.<br><br>I just bought a 50% position back in WM..washington mutual at 4.76/share.<br><br>As posted..I bought it the other day at 3.38 and bailed on it shortly thereafter at 3.95. It was a nice quick 17% return but I wound up missing the huge run up with the bank stocks in the few days that followed.<br><br>Today..it's back to this level..trading down on Wachovias dismal news.  As bad as Wachovias news was though..that stock isn't doing too badly today and this could be the bottom again for WM as well.<br><br>I think that WM reports after the close. I plan on staying in the position and seeing how that goes.<br><br>I'll keep 50% off the table though to allow for the uncertainty...because..as well all know..some banks go to zero. :)<br><br>Anyways..WM..I'm back in at 4.76..50% position.<br><br>FNSR..I really like this little stock. Bought it the other day at 1.20. It's been doing a nice daily little creeping move upward as more people discover it.<br>Not many dollar stocks that are making money on improving earnings. This one is though. There's also a merger in the works that should add to earnings as well.<br>Currently at a 1.35..I see around 2 bucks in this stocks near term future for what could be a 60% + gain.<br><br>We'll see..I'm in at a buck 20/share...100% position.<br><br>Happy investing. :)<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:04:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>On the other hand if the firm can't increase earnings per share even with runaway successful products it does say something about the <strike>economy</strike> cult of personality surrounding Jobs.<br> </div>Fixed it for you.<br><br> ;)<br><small>--<br>A is A</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:32:02 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : I was looking at pictures of jobs in 2004 (when he had his operation) and 2008. It is hard to see why he would choose to be so gaunt now if there is nothing wrong. Pancreatic cancer has a tiny five year survival rate, however they said in 2004 he had one of the five types that was less deadly.<br><br>On the other hand if the firm can't increase earnings per share even with runaway successful products it does say something about the economy.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:44:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>what I was doing however was moving into two very beaten down sectors..namely finance and autos...picking the biggest names among them and felt that at some point they would recover...and was prepared to hold them until whenever that happened. Turns out that for every one..it happened pretty quick...at least in terms of coming off their lows percentage wise.<br><br> </div>I wouldn't call going from $10 to $15 a recovery when the stock was trading at over $70 less than a year ago.  A true value investor or contrarian with a strong conviction in these companies would have held onto them for years (not weeks) waiting for a turnaround that would have resulted in returns in the hundreds or thousands of percent.  Buying distressed stocks hoping for a piece of news that will temporarily sway the market to me is nothing more than speculation.<br><br>With that being said, I would have likely done the same thing. ;)  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:34:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  GOLFnSUN <A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/bs_nm/sec_shortselling_dc" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080715/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;lling_dc</A><br><div class="bquote">The Securities and Exchange Commission will issue an emergency rule later on Tuesday to stop "naked" short selling in major financial firms, including Fannie Mae (FNM.N) and Freddie Mac (FRE.N), the SEC said.<br><br>Short sellers borrow shares they consider overvalued and sell them. If the price drops, they repurchase the shares, return them and pocket the difference.<br><br>In a naked short sale, the investor sells stock that has not yet been borrowed. Sellers sometimes deliberately fail to deliver securities as part of a scheme to manipulate the stock price.<br><br>The emergency rule would require any person making a short sale in the listed securities to borrow the securities before the short sale is effected and deliver the securities on the settlement date.<br><br>The SEC has already proposed rules to curb naked short selling abuses and prevent market price manipulation.</div> </div>Curb on short sellers gaining momentum. The original curb was only on some selected financial firms. Banks want it extended to all banks. And some are now pushing for curbs on naked short selling to the whole stock market.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080721/bs_nm/shortselling_pitt_dc" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080721/bs_&middot;&middot;&middot;_pitt_dc</A><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:10:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Anyone else holding Apple today?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : Apple announces qtrly results after the market closes today. Hedge funds have been dumping Apple stock on worries over Job's health.  <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nypost.com/seven/07212008/business/apple_a_day_talk_120853.htm" >www.nypost.com/seven/07212008/bu&middot;&middot;&middot;0853.htm</A><br><div class="bquote">Industry concerns about Steve Jobs' health have not gone away more than a month after the Apple CEO appeared dramatically thinner at the firm's annual developers' conference, fighting what insiders at the time were calling a "bug."<br><br>"Apple's hedge fund investors are very worried," said a Wall Street source who has spoken with some of the company's stakeholders.<br><br>Apple has a history of dragging its heels when it comes to admitting that Jobs is sick. <br><br> One investor polled by The Post acknowledged to recently selling down his stake by "a few million shares" as a hedge in case any more bad news comes out about Jobs' health.<br><br>Andrew Hargreaves, an analyst with Pacific Crest Securities said recent trading in shares likely reflects concerns about Jobs - at least partially. <br><br> Part of the reason for the concern over Jobs' health - aside from genuine sympathy - is that Apple has no succession plan in place. A good deal of Apple's worth is tied to its leader.<br><br>That's why analysts and corporate-governance experts have argued that for a visionary chief executive like Jobs - who drives the development of Apple's hit products - health is a material factor in the company's performance, and something investors should know about ASAP. </div><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  yock <A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>If you blow your takings on a fast depreciating toy so quickly I lose some respect for your judgement!<br> </div>Why? He was gambling to begin with. No problem buying toys with gambling earnings.<br> </div>I have to take some exception with your term gambling. For the most part I do wholeheartedly agree that trading..or more specifically day trading is exactly that.<br><br>what I was doing however was moving into two very beaten down sectors..namely finance and autos...picking the biggest names among them and felt that at some point they would recover...and was prepared to hold them until whenever that happened. Turns out that for every one..it happened pretty quick...at least in terms of coming off their lows percentage wise.<br><br>Just as I like to buy positions in averages..namely in 25 to 50% positions..I sell them that way as well.<br>I sold 50% of my fannie position at 15 this am and right now it's at 18! Who the He** could know that would happen? I sure didn't. But my strategy lets me still participate in that..with me still in 50% of it.<br><br>The gambler would perhaps have sold it all..and traded it for much less than 50% gains. The investor has more patience..still trades some and protects their gains.<br><br>Big difference IMHO. And I think my way better covers the bases all the way around.<br><br>Works for me anyway. :)<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/246096"><b>yock</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If you blow your takings on a fast depreciating toy so quickly I lose some respect for your judgement!<br> </div>Why? He was gambling to begin with. No problem buying toys with gambling earnings.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : lol...<br><br>Ok...Justin.<br><br>You'll also recall the entire portfolio was less than 5% of my investments. Nothing wrong with treating myself to a new toy every now and then. ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : If you blow your takings on a fast depreciating toy so quickly I lose some respect for your judgement!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : And, in other Toxic stock portfolio news...I just bailed on 50% of my Fannie position..bought at 10.20..sold premarket in pieces at an average price of about 15.00 per share.<br><br>Nice little almost 50% gain since acquiring it on 7/14.<br><br>Good lord..I'm so glad I didn't listen to the pundits running for their lives!<br><br>:)<br><br>The other 50% position..which is about a point under water...i'll continue to hold.<br><br>So..how have I done overall with my toxic portfolio? Looks like about a 100% winner to me.<br><br>How much have I made? Let's just say the new big a$$ boat i'll be buying will tell the story quite nicely.<br><br>Have a GREAT day!!<br><br>:)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : And, in other news..Yahoo gives Carl Icahn and two of his henchmen seats on their board.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/ap_on_hi_te/yahoo_microsoft" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;icrosoft</A><br><br>Now THOSE should be some interesting board meetings!<br><small>--<br><i>The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic!</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : that sounds like the double-speak bush tried while ben was giving his "the economy is pretty worrying" presentation.<br>Bush said "it [fannie freddie] is not a bailout! ... paulson is simply asking congress for approval to extend them a [infinite and indefinite] line of credit [at preferential rock bottom interest rates]".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : I thought there were going to be problems, but apparently not:<br><br><i>WASHINGTON (AP) -- Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson sought to reassure an anxious public Sunday that the banking system is sound, while also bracing people for more troubled times ahead.<br><br>::<br><br>"Of course the list is going to grow longer given the stresses we have in the marketplace, given the housing correction. But again, it's a safe banking system, a sound banking system. <b>Our regulators are on top of it.</b> This is a very manageable situation," he said in broadcast interviews.<br><br>::<br><br>"We're going through a challenging time with our economy. This is a tough time. The three big issues we're facing right now are, first, the housing correction which is at the heart of the slowdown; secondly, turmoil of the capital markets; and thirdly, the high oil prices, which are going to prolong the slowdown," he said.<br><br>"But remember, our economy has got very strong long-term fundamentals, solid fundamentals. <b>And you know, your policy-makers here, regulators, we're being very vigilant."</b></i><br><br>I feel SO much better now...you know, since everyone is being so on top of it and vigilant and all.<br><small>--<br>A is A</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : So was I.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/business/19citi.html?em&ex=1216612800&en=bf9f2542545c48f8&ei=5087%0A" >www.nytimes.com/2008/07/19/busin&middot;&middot;&middot;=5087%0A</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  justin <A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  marcseatac <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>Losers become winners if they beat expectations. The whole system is turned on it's head.<br> </div>And winners become losers if they miss expectation but still turn up a decent profit.<br><br>Google reported revenues of $5.37 billion for the quarter ended June 30, 2008, an increase of 39% compared to the second quarter of 2007 and an increase of 3% compared to the first quarter of 2008.<br> </div>Well wait a minute. <br>The stock price of google is predicated on sequential increases in quarterly profits. Google profit went sideways even though revenue went up. Stock got hammered, quite right as well.<br> </div>I was comparing it to Citibank. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Alcohol <A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  marcseatac <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Losers become winners if they beat expectations. The whole system is turned on it's head.<br> </div>And winners become losers if they miss expectation but still turn up a decent profit.<br><br>Google reported revenues of $5.37 billion for the quarter ended June 30, 2008, an increase of 39% compared to the second quarter of 2007 and an increase of 3% compared to the first quarter of 2008.<br> </div>Well wait a minute. <br>The stock price of google is predicated on sequential increases in quarterly profits. Google profit went sideways even though revenue went up. Stock got hammered, quite right as well.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:47:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/817255"><b>Alcohol</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  marcseatac <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Losers become winners if they beat expectations. The whole system is turned on it's head.<br> </div>And winners become losers if they miss expectation but still turn up a decent profit.<br><br>Google reported revenues of $5.37 billion for the quarter ended June 30, 2008, an increase of 39% compared to the second quarter of 2007 and an increase of 3% compared to the first quarter of 2008.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/446518"><b>RWoods</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  marcseatac <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>Losers become winners if they beat expectations. The whole system is turned on it's head.<br> </div>Works both ways.  You can have a great company miss expectations and watch that company's stock fall.  It's usually not a good idea to worry about what an analyst, with unknown ulterior motives, thinks a company will do in a given quarter.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:23:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : if it isn't worth any risk then consider what might happen if there was a single very large failure in 12 months.. Indymac, a bank that I never heard of before it got into trouble, used a large chunk of the FDIC fund..<br>They could change the rules or add a big delay or something<br>Plus why reward a bad bank with your savings]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Well, it's not their rate, just convenience. I already have a CD there and a few percentage points aren't worth ANY risk.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://bankdeals.blogspot.com/search/label/weekly%20summary?max-results=1" >bankdeals.blogspot.com/search/la&middot;&middot;&middot;esults=1</A><br><br>On the 12 month CD, their rate is 4.25% vs the next offering at 4.20%.<br><br>And remember, Indymac had the highest offerings till the collapse. ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:34:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Well it does matter:<br><br>1. The headache.<br>2. Lost interest which could be retained by having the principal in another institution.<br> </div>The reason you are PROBABLY looking at Wachovia is because they are in trouble; having difficulty attracting depositors; and willing to pay a higher interest rate to get depositors. So, it is a matter of how much risk you are willing to take to get that extra interest. My guess is you are not incurring any real chance of even losing your interest. So, for a little extra risk you make more money.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h"><b>My BLOG ..</b></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb"><i> .. Internet News ..</i></a><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto"><b> .. My Web Page</b></a><br>Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:22:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : Well it does matter:<br><br>1. The headache.<br>2. Lost interest which could be retained by having the principal in another institution.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:13:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>GOLFnSUN</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  AR <A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Guys,<br><br>How's Wachovia over the next 12 months to put in $30,000 into a CD?<br> </div>Does it matter? The $30,000 principal is backed by FDIC. The only thing you may risk at all is the interest.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <br>Guys,<br><br>How's Wachovia over the next 12 months to put in $30,000 into a CD?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:36:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : Losers become winners if they beat expectations. The whole system is turned on it's head.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1"><b>justin</b></A> : Yes crack is a good comparison, when they pay. Getting talc instead of crack is probably the right image when they go the wrong way.<br><br>I bet on the desire of the masses to want a never-ending up market - ready to leap in with the smallest excuse - so took some very cheap out of the money C calls a few days ago when WFC said they were doing ok. Getting a small bag of crack this morning, I think.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/624188"><b>vic102482</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With Justin mentioning options and if someone was truly bullish on GM making it and recovering over time one could purchase the January 2010 Calls with a strike price of $10.00 for $4.55 each. ( closing price today )<br><br> </div>Someone can be truly bullish on GM or any other stock without having to exhibit that by purchasing options instead of stock.<br><br>The huge problem with options and your scenario is that if the stock isn't at that price by 2010..you lose EVERYTHING you invested. And, even leading up to that date the values decline dramatically.<br><br>With stock, you can just hold on and invest for the longer term in it.<br> </div>All I will say is the option yesterday cost $4.55 and closed today at $5.65..<br><br>So for the 10 yesterday at a cost of $4550. could have sold them today to close out the position and received $5650. &raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WGMAB.Xfor" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WGMAB.Xfor</A> a one day gain of $1,100. or approx 25%...Who said to wait till 2010  :huh:<br><br>The option trade gained approx 25% in one trading day compared to GM's stock gain in the same trading day of approx 12%...<br><br>Anyway, that's it.<br> </div>Problem is, if it moves wrong, you take that equal amount of damage to the downside right on the nose. :( Options are like financial crack though. :) Its a good rush.<br><small>--<br>I tie a rope around my penis and jump from a tree, don't you wanna grow up to be just like me!!!!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : I understand what GM did price wise. I was the one saying it was a huge buy while everyone else was running for their lives..remember? :)<br><br>I disagree with your assessment of the gains in it as well.<br>(not because your math is wrong...just that i'm looking at it more as an overall stock play versus an options play)<br><br>I was buying it at 9 as well, as I posted. The stock was then up 42.7% since then. I did take profits though on that position as I posted yesterday..but even that was more than what you've indicated the options would be. (mine was 27%)<br>And so, the stock certainly had very nice gains as well.<br><br>Personally, I don't see where there is any benefit in the options versus the stock when you also factor in the risks involved. Paying 4.55 for a 9 or 10.00 stock seems amazingly foolish to me given that you'd also be putting a deadline on it as for when the investment had to work out.<br><br>What if the stock didn't go to 12..and went to 8 instead.<br>And stayed there going into 2009? How much would that option be worth then? You'd be lucky to get half what you paid..effectively creating at least a 50% loss.<br>And, what would happen if by the time expiration came around and the stock wasn't in the money?<br>Your entire option investment would be wiped out.<br>A 100% loss.<br><br>That is the risk involved and the price you pay for what amounts to trying to leverage your money.<br><br>Now..take someone who invests in the stock. It goes up..you realize some nice returns. (and again..mine were as good if not better than your scenario).<br>If the stock falls..and sits there at 8 ...the stock investor has no deadlines to meet. They can hold it indefinately until it recovers if they want. Or..sell it..with much less a loss than the option investor.<br><br>Obviously, there's a million scenarios we could talk about and i'll agree that in cases such as Justin mentioned where the options are trading at much less..it might make more sense. But I simply see no benefit at all in paying 4.55 for a 10.00 stock. It's all risk for essentially no greater reward.<br><br>In closing i'll add that I have bought and used options numerous times. But mostly as an insurance policy to protect gains. If a stock runs up big..it can be an effective strategy to give up some of those gains to protect against the downside. <br><br>Anyways..to each their own. My toxic portfolio is looking great with basically everything moving up very nicely. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><b>sailor</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rick <A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  sailor <A HREF="/useremail/u/889509"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>With Justin mentioning options and if someone was truly bullish on GM making it and recovering over time one could purchase the January 2010 Calls with a strike price of $10.00 for $4.55 each. ( closing price today )<br><br> </div>Someone can be truly bullish on GM or any other stock without having to exhibit that by purchasing options instead of stock.<br><br>The huge problem with options and your scenario is that if the stock isn't at that price by 2010..you lose EVERYTHING you invested. And, even leading up to that date the values decline dramatically.<br><br>With stock, you can just hold on and invest for the longer term in it.<br> </div>All I will say is the option yesterday cost $4.55 and closed today at $5.65..<br><br>So for the 10 yesterday at a cost of $4550. could have sold them today to close out the position and received $5650. &raquo;<A HREF="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WGMAB.Xfor" >finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WGMAB.Xfor</A> a one day gain of $1,100. or approx 25%...Who said to wait till 2010  :huh:<br><br>The option trade gained approx 25% in one trading day compared to GM's stock gain in the same trading day of approx 12%...<br><br>Anyway, that's it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : When I say out from under duress, I'm not saying out of the woods yet.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/684591"><b>AmeritecTech</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  marcseatac <A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Something that is significant in the last couple days in oil prices is finished inventory is rising, crude inventories are rising. The Iranians may have blinked.<br><br>I think it's entirely possible GM and the airline stocks will soon be out from under duress.<br> </div>Inflationary pressures remain, especially now with Fannie/Freddie bailouts.  As the dollar falls, the price of crude rises.<br><small>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone Not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that ALWAYS come in legions."<br>-John Callari</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1217748"><b>marcseatac</b></A> : Something that is significant in the last couple days in oil prices is finished inventory is rising, crude inventories are rising. The Iranians may have blinked.<br><br>I think it's entirely possible GM and the airline stocks will soon be out from under duress.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/790282"><b>fartness</b></A> : Anybody have any strategies for Yahoo? Seems something will happen that could make the stock go in the $30 range, and with it currently at ~$23, it could make for some nice profit.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/306718"><b>Rick</b></A> : Well..i'm up 27% on it in a couple days. I certainly wouldn't argue with that strategy so far. ;)<br><br>Other than that though, hopefully no one has missed the point that i've made several times in this thread which is that i'm not an all or nothing player in the stock market and that rarely do I ever advocate buying individual stocks at all.<br>I buy a few here and there from time to time..but for me it's a very minor portion of my overall strategy. <br><br>I've invested for 30 years now and what that time long ago taught me was that diversification is the real key to the market and the best and least expensive way to achieve that is with the mutual fund