batterup
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Re: Sorry, so sorry.
said by bmn  :Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like »www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine.
VoIP from USA Telephone is over $30 a month at my location and has a smaller local calling area then Verizon.
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| said by batterup :said by bmn :Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like » www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine. A leech doesn't pay for what they get... Last I checked, CLECS pay for the capacity they use, ergo, the leech terms fails.
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| said by bmn :said by batterup :said by bmn :Of couse we all know the government would probably come and bail Verizon out before they went tits up, like the government did with the airlines... Verizon is a real company not a bunch of leeches like » www.savewithusa.com/ and is doing just fine. A leech doesn't pay for what they get... Last I checked, CLECS pay for the capacity they use, ergo, the leech terms fails. Try again ? TPC can't refuse them and they pay less then market value. That is a leech. |
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| said by batterup :TPC can't refuse them and they pay less then market value. That is a leech. That's funny, but your selective grasp on facts is blinding you again... The Bells AGREED to let them on the network. And the rate that they are paying, wholesale, is basically the same as it costs the Bells to operate the line themselves. Market value is once you add on your margins because there is no WAY it actually costs $20+ to deliver standard POTS.
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1 edit | and if I may add, they are PAYING MARKET VALUE at a WHOLESALE LEVEL. You could try to negotiate the same rate with Verizon, but you will probably have to buy 100k worth of phn service to get it... |
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batterup
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said by bmn : That's funny, but your selective grasp on facts is blinding you again... The Bells AGREED to let them on the network. That is true, TPC got to supply long distance for opening up the network. Now TPC is placing FiOS and CLECs are excluded. Bad management indeed. |
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Cleveland, OH | That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs. |
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batterup
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| said by hottboiinnc :That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs. VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. |
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | Not all VoIP companies used the patents. 8x8 didn't they actually own theirs. And VZ only has the balls to go after the little companies.
And you can't steal anything that is open source. |
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what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies.
NOW WHO IS THE LEACH????????
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batterup
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| said by chemaupr :what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies. NOW WHO IS THE LEACH???????? quote:
Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents.
VoIP is a thief not a leech.
»www.multichannel.com/article/CA6427334.html |
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said by batterup :VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work.
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1 edit | said by bmn :said by batterup :VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? |
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"Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents."
You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. |
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batterup
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| said by chemaupr :"Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from? |
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chemaupr
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| said by batterup :said by chemaupr :"Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from? I'm always happy to help other to learn. You can start at Lexis.com for the patent information you can go to »www.uspto.gov/main/profiles/acadres.htm if you need any help let me know. |
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said by batterup :said by bmn :said by batterup :VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file.
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| said by bmn :I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. |
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| said by batterup :said by bmn :I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so.
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| said by bmn :said by batterup :said by bmn :I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. You said quote:
said by bmn :said by batterup :VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work.
Thank you for admitting you get your facts from quote:
forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings
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