Re: Sorry, so sorry.

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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH	reply to batterup Re: Sorry, so sorry. That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by hottboiinnc: That is only to share the actual last mile. If they change to VoIP then VZ has no control the Fiber ruling only affects the last mile not using the actual Internet or wholesaling DIDs. VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens.
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hottboiinnc ME join:2003-10-15 Cleveland, OH	Not all VoIP companies used the patents. 8x8 didn't they actually own theirs. And VZ only has the balls to go after the little companies. And you can't steal anything that is open source.
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chemaupr join:2005-06-06 Alexandria, VA Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·Cox HSI 2 edits	reply to batterup what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies. NOW WHO IS THE LEACH????????
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by chemaupr: what vz patents? the ones they filed based on OPEN INDUSTRY Forums, and a useless PTO employee granted. With information that was made available to everyone and with the contribution of many other individuals and companies. NOW WHO IS THE LEACH???????? quote: Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents. VoIP is a thief not a leech. »www.multichannel.com/article/CA6427334.html
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	reply to batterup said by batterup: VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL 1 edit	said by bmn: said by batterup: VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here?
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chemaupr join:2005-06-06 Alexandria, VA Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·Cox HSI	reply to batterup "Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by chemaupr: "Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from?
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chemaupr join:2005-06-06 Alexandria, VA Reviews: ·Verizon FiOS ·Cox HSI	said by batterup: said by chemaupr: "Earlier this month, a jury in the case said Vonage must pay Verizon $58 million in damages plus a percentage of future revenues for infringing on three Verizon patents." You are a funny guy. We all know idiotic the patent system has become. Evidently your knowledge of the case is limited to the headlines in the news. Where does you deep knowledge of the case come from? I'm always happy to help other to learn. You can start at Lexis.com for the patent information you can go to »www.uspto.gov/main/profiles/acadres.htm if you need any help let me know.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	reply to batterup said by batterup: said by bmn: said by batterup: VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by bmn: I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	said by batterup: said by bmn: I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by bmn: said by batterup: said by bmn: I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. You said quote: said by bmn: said by batterup: VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Thank you for admitting you get your facts from quote: forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts. Want to try again ? -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by bmn: Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts. Want to try again ? But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	said by batterup: But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat. As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up. Here are some links just for you re: prior art: »blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1550 »pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006846.html »blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art) You dig some more on your own... -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by bmn: said by batterup: But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat. As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up. Here are some links just for you re: prior art: »blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1550 »pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006846.html »blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art) You dig some more on your own... OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters.
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bmn ? ? ? Premium,ExMod 2003-06 join:2001-03-15 hiatus	said by batterup: OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters. At least some of us try to research the issues and have the technical expertise to understand what the lawsuit is about... Simply echoing the Verizon party line with apparently zero knowledge and zero understanding of the issue, as you have done in this thread, requires no rational or independent thought. It is amazing the affect the Bellhead ideology can have on independent and rational thought... -- Prove it... Save the Internet Time (NTP) service, use the pool.
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batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ Reviews: ·Verizon Online DSL	said by bmn: Simply echoing the Verizon party line with apparently zero knowledge and zero understanding of the issue, as you have done in this thread, requires no rational or independent thought. It is amazing the affect the Bellhead ideology can have on independent and rational thought... No I'm just stating what the courts have said, that is a fact. Vonage violated three pattens not just an idea. You do know the difference between saying man can fly and actually designing an airplane.
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