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Re: Sorry, so sorry. said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? |
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hiatus | said by batterup:said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work. Why didn't you file an amicus curiae brief instead of posting here? I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file.
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| said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. |
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hiatus | said by batterup:said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so.
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| said by bmn:said by batterup:said by bmn:I don't know... Maybe because I have no grounds to file. You have exceptional knowledge concerning the case. That is the grounds for filing a friend of the court brief. Right, I'm going to file a friend of the court brief using forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings... I don't think so. You said quote:
said by bmn:said by batterup:VoIP is not really leeches they are thieves and will have to pay Verizon for stealing their pattens. Wrong again... Verizon's patent was built on prior art... So, if anything, Verizon is a thief for patenting other people's work.
Thank you for admitting you get your facts from quote:
forum posts, newsgroup posts, etc. that are years old that I found by reading various news items and tech blog postings
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hiatus | Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts.
Want to try again ?
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| said by bmn:Yes, the prior art was created in newsgroups long ago, long before the name Verizon was even uttered... So, yes, that's where you get the facts. Want to try again ? But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. |
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hiatus | said by batterup:But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat.
As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up.
Here are some links just for you re: prior art:
»blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1550
»pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006846.html
»blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art)
You dig some more on your own...
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| said by bmn:said by batterup:But no one brought that up in court or if they did the jury didn't buy it. I have to go with a jury of my pears not wild speculation. Or it was suppressed or excluded or any NUMBER of other legals tricks that can be pulled out of a hat. As well, "a jury of your pears (sic)" is perhaps the LAST group of people you should rely on. Most people who sit on juries don't have the proper training or even enough education to understand technical things like VoIP, SIP, LDAP, etc... Just imagine the damage that can be done at murder trials when DNA, fingerprints, etc. come up. Here are some links just for you re: prior art: » blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1550» pulverblog.pulver.com/archives/006846.html» blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1548 (this one may even rely on prior art) You dig some more on your own... OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters.
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hiatus | said by batterup:OK you convinced me. We can save allot of money and have you and your blogs decide all legal matters. At least some of us try to research the issues and have the technical expertise to understand what the lawsuit is about...
Simply echoing the Verizon party line with apparently zero knowledge and zero understanding of the issue, as you have done in this thread, requires no rational or independent thought.
It is amazing the affect the Bellhead ideology can have on independent and rational thought...
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| said by bmn:Simply echoing the Verizon party line with apparently zero knowledge and zero understanding of the issue, as you have done in this thread, requires no rational or independent thought. It is amazing the affect the Bellhead ideology can have on independent and rational thought... No I'm just stating what the courts have said, that is a fact. Vonage violated three pattens not just an idea. You do know the difference between saying man can fly and actually designing an airplane. |
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hiatus | said by batterup:You do know the difference between saying man can fly and actually designing an airplane. I also know the difference between someone actually creating the idea and design criteria and someone else taking that person's work, doing it and claiming it was theirs to patent.
It would be like Ford coming up with the assembly line and describing how to design/build it and then the RD guys at GM taking that and building an assembly line and claiming THEY invented it and then they patent it.
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| said by bmn:said by batterup:You do know the difference between saying man can fly and actually designing an airplane. I also know the difference between someone actually creating the idea and design criteria and someone else taking that person's work, doing it and claiming it was theirs to patent. It would be like Ford coming up with the assembly line and describing how to design/build it and then the RD guys at GM taking that and building an assembly line and claiming THEY invented it and then they patent it. The courts decide who is right not geeks. You can talk all you want but at this point in time Verizon has been wronged. |
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1 edit | said by batterup:The courts decide who is right not geeks. Actually, the FACTS say who is wrong and wrong. Courts have get it wrong constantly, ergo, the innocent people who sit in prison or on death row...
You can talk all you want but at this point in time Verizon has been wronged. Yeah, and if had been decided the other way, you would say that Verizon still had been wronged...
Come back when you know something about the issue other than what you are told to say by Verizon.
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