CableCard TiVoHD install in Verizon FIOS TV

CableCard TiVoHD install in Verizon FIOS TV http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18777001 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:18:33 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:18:33 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134354 Shaggy2002 : Good catch...I use Optical Audio to my Receiver so I am not using the audio on my HDMI cables. I do believe the monoprice one does do audio because I was able to get audio out of my tv.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19134354 Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:12:42 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19117361 Vamp9190 :

said by Shaggy2002

:

I got the 4 port HDMI Switch from monoprice and works great with my 6416 and PS3.

For everyone else....Just make sure that the HDMI hub supports AUDIO as well as video. You would think that is a given, but some hubs only do video, not audio!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19117361 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:26:14 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19116597 harley3k :
I was charged $24.95 this month.
But when I got my bill, the 24.95 was there but also a 19.99 (extra outlet installation) was also there.

They also charged me for 3 DVRs, even though I went form 2 down to only 1.

I had to call to get both removed, and they tried to claim that the 19.99 was for installing the cable card and that I should've been charged 19.99 twice since I had 2 cards. But the 24.95 line item on the bill actually said "Cable Card Installation" and that's what I agreed to when I ordered to have them installed.

After some negotiation the removed the extra fee, and the extra DVR charge.

I fully expect my bill to be wrong again next month though... For some reason I can't imagine they will get it right.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19116597 Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:25:21 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106804 anon : Is everyone still paying $24.99 for the cablecard "installation" ? A rep on the phone just told me it would be $74.99 :o]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19106804 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:58:57 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19047267 jvanbrecht :

said by KenAF

:

I didn't see that, thanks.

I guess Tivo isn't supporting the transcode feature of the XCode chip for some reason.

It kind of sucks, since I have an S2 directivo (running as a media server) upstairs in the bedroom hooked up to my tiny non HD rounded non flat screen CRT TV from the early 60's... okay maybe not 60's but its no modern TV.

My solution is to setup season passes that duplicate each other for HD and SD channels, I can watch the SD version upstairs, the HD ones downstairs. Its not the most efficient, but it will work...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19047267 Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:10:39 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043818 Hooper :

said by NOCMan

:

Seems to be called VzAppZone and it's not clear on what you really get for it.

Course a iPhone could do this though the browser :)

Unless it is Get It Now! It ain't BREW. Windows Mobile devices don't do BREW. Neither do RIM/BB devices.

Pretty narrow minded of Verizon to release an app that can only be used by a minority of THEIR customers at best. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043818 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:13:29 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043779 NOCMan : Seems to be called VzAppZone and it's not clear on what you really get for it.

Course a iPhone could do this though the browser :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043779 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 23:07:19 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043673 knarf829 : The more people who get TiVoHD, the less able Verizon will be to switch to IPTV.

The more people who receive the malware new IMG, the more people will want TiVoHD.

In the interim, maybe TiVo will find an IPTV fix.

Verizon can't handle a software rollout. Do you think they'll be able to effectively manage a change in architecture? It's laughable.

Take the TiVo plunge. One more voice to stop the IPTV if it starts to look like it's going that way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043673 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:52:21 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043370 mjwedeking : I heard today from Verizon that they have no plans to deploy/support multi-stream cable cards. The tech told me they do not promote cable cards and would like to get away from them. I mentioned FCC requirements for cable companies to supports them. The tech responded "Yes, for now that is true."

With all of the problems I am having with the new IMG I want to get a TiVo HD. How long will the TiVo work with Verizon wanting to go full IPTV and other cable companies going to switched digital?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19043370 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 22:07:25 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029726 KenAF :

said by Killthee

:

I know MRV, TTG, and TTCB will be coming this November....I was the one that posted the link in this thread :p

TiVoPony also posted this in that thread

"HD content cannot be transferred to a Series2. And there is no transcoding ability to convert HD to SD (these are consumer electronic devices, not beefy multi-core PC's). So the answer is no. If it's recorded in HD on a Series3 or TiVoHD, then it can be shared between those platforms, but not with a Series2."

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t5483798

I didn't see that, thanks.

I guess Tivo isn't supporting the transcode feature of the XCode chip for some reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029726 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:34:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029679 Killthee : I know MRV, TTG, and TTCB will be coming this November....I was the one that posted the link in this thread :p

TiVoPony also posted this in that thread

"HD content cannot be transferred to a Series2. And there is no transcoding ability to convert HD to SD (these are consumer electronic devices, not beefy multi-core PC's). So the answer is no. If it's recorded in HD on a Series3 or TiVoHD, then it can be shared between those platforms, but not with a Series2."

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t5483798 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029679 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:25:07 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029586 KenAF :

said by Killthee

said by jvanbrecht

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You should probably be aware that although HD sharing between Tivos's will be supported, you won't be able to pull HD content from the tivo to the PC using the Tivo desktop software. I am not sure of the details, I cannot access half the sites I usually troll from my office, but somewhere along the line I believe that the HD content will be downscaled to SD to be moved to a PC. But from Tivo to Tivo (which is my concern), all is looking good.

Tivo announced yesterday that they would support transfer of full high-definition recordings from the TivoHD and Tivo Series3 to a PC with a software update in November.

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···t=365225

The caveat is that this will only be possible on programs flagged as "copy freely." High-definition recordings flagged as "copy one generation" cannot be copied to a PC/Mac. On FiOS in VA, HD locals are flagged as "copy freely," as are some HD cable channels like NGC-HD, MTV-HD, FOOD-HD, and HGTV-HD.

That said, your post above isn't entirely correct. The TivoHD does have the ability to convert HD->SD. With the TivoHD design, Tivo added a new chip that can transcode MPEG-2 HD to MPEG-4 SD in realtime. The older Tivo Series3 does not have this chip, so your comment is correct about that box. Tivo could allow TivoHD owners to transfer copy-protected programs in downconverted form, but they've not said anything about that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029586 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 14:11:10 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029378 Killthee :

said by jvanbrecht

What makes you say that? The S3/THD don't have the processing power to convert HD -> SD (they're not allowing HD -> SD MRV). They'd have to force the HD -> SD conversion after transferring the file to a PC if they're planning to do what you're suggesting.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029378 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:36:11 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029159 BTDT : jvanbrecht is correct. If one drive goes then they both go. You can go with a snazzy RAID 5 setup for your external (or internal) if you are extremely ambitious. This was described over on tivocommunity, and would take care of the hard drive reliability question.

The ability to backup is one strength of a Vista Media Center solution, but you are talking a lot more dollars there and bigger questions with regard to CableCard tuner reliability.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19029159 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:04:14 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028783 jvanbrecht : Yes, but then you void your warranty :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028783 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:15:17 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028772 Shaggy2002 : So then it is smarter to just buy a 1 TB internal drive and forget the e-sata because more parts can fail and you will be screwed?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028772 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:13:51 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028706 jvanbrecht : I believe the external drive once attached becomes married to the Tivo drives internally, that meaning that if you lose the internal drive, your pretty much screwed. Additionally, once you tivo'ise your external drive, it will need to be formated to be attached to a computer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028706 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:04:09 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028681 jvanbrecht : You should probably be aware that although HD sharing between Tivos's will be supported, you won't be able to pull HD content from the tivo to the PC using the Tivo desktop software. I am not sure of the details, I cannot access half the sites I usually troll from my office, but somewhere along the line I believe that the HD content will be downscaled to SD to be moved to a PC. But from Tivo to Tivo (which is my concern), all is looking good.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028681 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:01:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028510 Shaggy2002 : BTDT, I have a question on the e-sata drive. If the internal drive fails, and you had an external attached, are all the recordings on it now gone or are you able to simply replace the internal drive and it will see all your recordings on the external one again?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19028510 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:34:08 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027729 BTDT : With these features enabled it removes nearly all of the functionality gains I would envision using off of an HTPC (basically will just not be able to access internet streaming media -- other than something like Amazon Unbox that is supported directly). Plus the pricetag is a lot more palatable, and reported reliability (TiVo vs. HTPC) is likewise a plus.

In other news, tivocommunity is reporting that the eSATA port on the TiVo HD has been enabled with the latest software release, but there is still not an easy method for actually adding an external drive (you can do your own drive imaging, requiring removing the internal drive, etc.). Given that TiVo has promised eSATA support by the end of the year I expect some clever hacker will figure this out shortly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027729 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 09:12:36 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027639 knarf829 :

said by Killthee

:

MRV,TTG, and TTCB are slated to be released this November (HD content will work).

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···=1&pp=30

And now...there is absolutely no reason to resist.

On my Series2 I almost never used TTG (TiVo--->PC), but with the recent network MO of canceling series I'm interested in and putting the remaining episodes on the web, TTCB (PC--->TiVo) is very useful. People a lot more technically proficient than me almost always wind up making an MPEG or AVI convert of those web episodes available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027639 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:51:34 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027132 KenAF : Awesome!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19027132 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:09:52 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19026977 Killthee :

said by harley3k

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I have to say that after a few days with the TivoHD, I am ready to get a second one for the bedroom.

I was planning to wait until they got the Multi-Room-Viewing working (slated for later this year and possilby not including HD content), but I don't think I can wait now. I am addicted once again.

-h

MRV,TTG, and TTCB are slated to be released this November (HD content will work).

»www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/sh···=1&pp=30]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19026977 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:02:54 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009308 Hooper :

said by NOCMan

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The new motorola Q now has BREW..

Not that I don't believe you, but where did you see this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19009308 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:00:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19008998 NOCMan : The new motorola Q now has BREW..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,19008998 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:59:41 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18987798 Shaggy2002 : I got the 4 port HDMI Switch from monoprice and works great with my 6416 and PS3.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18987798 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:55:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986980 anon : Or just use an HDMI switch if your TV only has a single HDMI input.

Or use an upconverting receiver and put everything through a single HDMI link to the TV.

Lots of options.

Al]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986980 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:22:52 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986103 JeepMatt : Of course - take the coax - split it two ways - 1 coax to Tivo , 1 to the VZ box.

Then hook the Tivo via HDMI, the VZ box via component - done.
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--
"Don't eat yellow snow."
Bill Murry (As lounge lizard)
SNL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18986097 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:52:12 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981482 anon : Gotcha thanks for the explanation! I would love a better DVR but the wife and kid have really gotten used to having VOD. So the tivo is a no go right now I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981482 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:14:33 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981268 KenAF :

said by Ncc1701 :

Ok So whats this I hear of a cablecard 2.0 that will allow PPV and VOD? When is that expected to be available??

CableCard 2.0 just added multistream capability (MCARD), which allows one card to support multiple tuners. The TivoHD supports that.

The TivoHD does not support bidirectional (two-way) communication, which is required to access VOD on other cable systems. Tivo can't support bidirectional communication because the Cable Labs license doesn't allow that. The Cable Labs license says that if you want to use your own interface (i.e. Tivo), then you can't support two-way features like VOD. If you want to support VOD, you've got to use the cable company's software and interface. Consumer electronics manufacturers aren't happy about that, but that's the way things stand now.

Said a different way, it is "illegal" for any box with their own (non-cable co) interface to support VOD.

In the case of FiOS, support for two-way communication wouldn't matter anyway, since Verizon uses their own proprietary VOD implementation over IP. Hence nothing but their own boxes and software will ever support that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981268 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:44:19 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981156 anon : Ok So whats this I hear of a cablecard 2.0 that will allow PPV and VOD? When is that expected to be available?? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18981156 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:26:01 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980986 CeeZee : I switched from DirecTV to Fios earlier this summer. The increase in picture quality was astounding even though I was still using my old non-HD TV. So you won't be disappointed by making the switch and keeping your old TV for a while.

However, we were so wowed by the PQ we went out after two weeks and bought the HGTV we were going to wait until Christmas to buy .... just a warning :)

Edit: And some (most?) folks are saying the picture quality is even better with the Tivo instead of the Fios DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980986 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:58:26 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980920 KenAF :

said by mistrb

:

My question is, do I have to have a HD TV to get the HD Tivo Series 3? I really am not ready to buy a HDTV today. I want to wait until around Christmas or Superbowl time to buy it. But I don't mind switching to FIOS because I am tired of DirecTV.

The FiOS has s-video and composite outputs so it works just fine on older TVs.

You get all the FiOS SD channels, as well as the FiOS HD channels. The FiOS HD channels are downconverted to SD through s-video and composite. On a 4:3 SD TV, so you can choose to display HD channels in letterbox or crop off the sides to fill a 4:3 screen -- you can switch between these aspect modes with one button press on the remote.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980920 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:48:07 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980902 mistrb : I am not sure if this the right place to ask this question, but I will ask it anyway. I currently have DirecTivo and want to switch to FIOS. The only real thing holding me back is Tivo.

My question is, do I have to have a HD TV to get the HD Tivo Series 3? I really am not ready to buy a HDTV today. I want to wait until around Christmas or Superbowl time to buy it. But I don't mind switching to FIOS because I am tired of DirecTV.

I know all the virtues of HDTV so you don't have to tell me about the great resolution that I am missing out on. :)

Bye for now.
--
"Don't eat yellow snow."
Bill Murry (As lounge lizard)
SNL]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980902 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:45:05 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980789 KenAF :

said by rich111

:

Ken, in (4) you state "Boot to Windows". Is this different than just turning the pc back on. Does this imply I need to start from a CD and not from base hard drive?

It just means to turn the PC back on. I will clarify that in the other post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980789 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:24:07 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980759 rich111 : Ken, in (4) you state "Boot to Windows". Is this different than just turning the pc back on. Does this imply I need to start from a CD and not from base hard drive?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18980759 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:18:35 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18978001 vchan168 : Thanks Ken. I just checked, and they are digital.

TheOtherPete, I guess it is good to know that someone in my area that is having the same problem. But something kinda weird happen tonight tho, from channel 1-10, at a time, it was very stable, but at a time it was breaking up big time. so I am assuming, maybe they are working on something. just a guess. It is not a deal breaker for me or anything, but I am one of those people that like to TiVo Suggestion feature, and it is good to know that all the channel is working the way it should be, so I will get some good quality TV time. But everything else is working beautifully. everything is recording on time, the quality is good, no missing show.

I just hope everything will be good before the fall TV season start. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18978001 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:52:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977959 machete : Hold that thought ... VZ anounced early this year at CES that they will be coming with a Brew app to basically do an enhanced version of what you can do Tivo on the go. The screen shots show a cooler app.

No idea when that is coming out but if I don't remember wrong they said Q4 07. Right on time for C-mass season. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977959 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:37:36 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977602 Hooper :

said by NOCMan

:

FYI

If you have a verizon wireless phone you can schedule shows using the tivo app under get it now.

:uhh: You had to mention that. Damn Verizon got in bed with Qualcomm and their worthless BREW technology. Makes it difficult for folks using devices with a real OS on it. And to think VZW wants to use that platform for its applications to business users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18977602 Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:10:08 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976807 NOCMan : FYI

If you have a verizon wireless phone you can schedule shows using the tivo app under get it now.
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»www.macchatter.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976807 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:02:28 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976801 NOCMan : Geek what we'll do is keep a HD non dvr box for that. However with that new universial swivel search were having more of an issue of deciding what we want.

We have definitely watched more tv since going back to Tivo. Verizon needs to just get a clue and buy a bunch of these 300 dollar devices. It's less than the replacement cost of the HDDVR's they have. I'm sure Tivo would work to support them for any advanced features they would want to push.

The problem is lately is that verizon has to sqeeze every last drop of money they can out of their customers. You get nothing free anymore.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18976801 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:01:48 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18975363 TheOtherPete :

said by KenAF

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Run this test...

Set each tuner to a channel in the 1-49 range (press the right arrow and then select a tuner on the right). Test each tuner by hitting the record button. Do you get the recording quality screen on either?

If you see a record quality screen, then you are on an analog channel. There is no record quality option displayed on digital channels, because the TivoHD records the original digital bitstream direct to disk (100% quality).

Thanks Ken..I just checked and my stations are tuning as digital, not analog.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18975363 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:48:33 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18975208 KenAF : Repost...

For those looking to upgrade the drive in the TivoHD, here are some instructions:

Detailed Instructions

Instructions Summary

(1) Remove the outer case and existing drive using a torx screwdriver in the T10 size. If you don't have one of appropriate length, you can purchase the Star Driver T10 Ampro (9014713) from Advance Auto Parts for about $4.

(2) Download WinMFS here.

(3) Shut down Windows and attach original TiVo drive. You can open your computer and attach it with a SATA cable, or attach it externally using a SATA->USB adapter like this.

(4) Boot to Windows XP (SP2) or Vista, run WinMFS, and click 'Select Drive' to select the drive you attached.

(5) In WinMFS, click the 'Backup' option. Save the file to your hard drive.

(6) Shut down the computer and attach the new, larger drive. You can disconnect the original Tivo drive.

(7) Turn the computer back on, run WinMFS, and click the 'Restore' option. Select the file you saved to your hard drive in step #5.

(8) You're done. Install the new drive in the TivoHD.

Note that won't backup your existing recordings. The "Backup" option in WinMFS just backs up the Tivo software and your configuration, not the recordings.

If you want to backup your recordings, you need to choose the MFSCopy option in WinMFS which requires that the original Tivo drive and new drive be connected at the same time -- in which case you may want 2x SATA -> USB adapters.

Be sure to purchase a hard drive with appropriate noise output and heat dissipation. Many retail drives will make your TivoHD sound like a jet engine. You can buy the same quiet Seagate DB35 drives used by Weaknees right here. For the TivoHD and Series3, you need the SCE version, available in 500Gb ($150) and 750Gb ($265) sizes.

said by CeeZee

said by KenAF

:

It is very easy to upgrade a TivoHD. It took me about 30 minutes.

Do you know if there is a Mac version of the process? Or do you absolutely need to use a WinPC.

There isn't a simple Mac program with menus to click for backup and restore.

You can upgrade with a Mac, but then you've got to boot using the MFS Live Boot CD. That's more complicated but instructions are here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18975208 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:19:28 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18973003 KenAF : Run this test...

Set each tuner to a channel in the 1-49 range (press the right arrow and then select a tuner on the right). Test each tuner by hitting the record button. Do you get the recording quality screen on either?

If you see a record quality screen, then you are on an analog channel. There is no record quality option displayed on digital channels, because the TivoHD records the original digital bitstream direct to disk (100% quality).

If you are getting any analog channels, then there would seem to be a CableCard authorization issue. It could be specific to your account or area-wide. Once a CableCard is installed and authorized, the digital versions of 1-49 are supposed to replace the analog versions of 1-49 on FiOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18973003 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:38:11 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972813 TheOtherPete : I have the same problem with the 1-49 channels and am in the same area as you. I watch the HD versions of the major networks but I did try to record an SD version of one show (channels 1-10) and noticed the problem.

The whole TivoHD/CableCard/FIOS thing doesn't seem fully baked yet (too new) but I'm patient.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972813 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:02:43 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972317 chazas : vchan168, welcome to the world of TiVo! I suspect that your second cablecard is not properly authorized and so you are getting only Fios' analog channels for 1-49 on that tuner - which in my experience in your same general area (Arlington, VA) are dreadful.

You may get a better answer on tivocommunity.com.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18972317 Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:39:31 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970114 vchan168 : and I forget to mention, I am from Germantown, Maryland]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970114 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:16:38 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970103 vchan168 : I just got my TiVo HD like few days ago, so far, I like it alot better than FIOS STB. I just want something that will record my show and I want it make sure it will record, which is a big plus for TiVo.

Now, I am having this problem. I don't know if this is the right place to post or not. Anyway, I have no problem, with most of the channels with my 2 cablecard, but most of the channel from 1-49, I am getting a ton of break up, it is unwatchable, not that I care too much for the channel 1-49. but I just recently got TiVo HD, I just want to make sure it is nothing wrong with it.

it is very weird, I mean, every other channel has like 99-100 signal strength, but from 1-49, it can be from 0-100, it is very crazy.

thanks for any help in advance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18970103 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:15:24 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967916 harley3k :

said by wmcbrine

:

There are still good reasons to turn suggestions off -- mainly, to cut down on the Tivo nagging you about how it wants to change the channel to record one -- but an imagined need to delete them is not such a reason.

Yah, I've wondered if turning it off cuts down on hard drive use, perhaps extending the life of the drive. But I suppose it's always recording to the dual buffers anyway, and the drive is spinning constantly as well, so probably not an issue.

If you really spend some time doing the thumbs-up and down through the guide, it does get good at recording some relavant stuff. But it takes a while to train it. For example, I did a season pass for "60 minutes" and then a bunch of Fox News (Fox Noise) sh!t got recorded as suggestions, which I had to immediately give thumbs-down to....hehee...Sorry Bill Orally.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967916 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:49:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967875 harley3k :

said by GeekNJ

:

From my limited experience, I don't like that feature. I went over a friends house 2 years ago and the first thing he asks is how do I stop the box from recording things I don't care about? It's got crap on their I'll never watch and when I come home, I spend time every night deleting stuff it decided to record. So I turned the option off.

I've had it on or off throughtout my Tivo using history. The thing I like about the newer Tivo versions is that it puts them all in a folder, whereas older versions would just put them all at the bottom of the list.

The suggestions don't take up 'recording' space on the Tivo, as they will automatically be deleted if a scheduled recording needs space, so there is technically no need to 'delete' them unless you just want to.

I've gone through it a few times and 'thumbs-downed' stuff I never have an interest in watching and it never records it again.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18967875 Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:43:06 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18962254 KenAF : I disabled Suggestions, primarily because you can't set them as HD-only with the current software.

But I do have about 30 auto-record wishlists to record content matching a variety of topics, keywords, etc. I've set the wishlists as HD-only when appropriate.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18962254 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:42:28 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961988 wmcbrine :

said by GeekNJ's friend :

and when I come home, I spend time every night deleting stuff it decided to record.

This is very silly behavior. The suggestions are effectively "free space" from the perspective of normal recordings -- a suggestion never displaces an intentional recording (no matter how old it is, or how full the drive is), and is always immediately displaced itself when space is needed.

Some people never watch suggestions, but leave them on as a kind of ad hoc "free space" indicator (which is not otherwise available on a Tivo), since suggestions fill up all the free space if allowed to.

There are still good reasons to turn suggestions off -- mainly, to cut down on the Tivo nagging you about how it wants to change the channel to record one -- but an imagined need to delete them is not such a reason.
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said by knarf829

said by CeeZee

:

How do you hook up both the Tivo and 6416 to your TV? Are you using HDMI for both?

On my Toshiba, the 6416 looks horrible via HDMI, but quite good via component. On my CRT Samsung HD, looks ok via HDMI, but everytime I cycle through my inputs I have to turn off the tv because audio gets out of sync when I go back to HDMI.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961712 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:12:45 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961545 knarf829 :

said by CeeZee

:

How do you hook up both the Tivo and 6416 to your TV? Are you using HDMI for both?

I only have one HDMI input on the TV. I compared picture quality between the Tivo and the 6416 with both connected via component. The Tivo was clearly better by a mile.

At that point, I decided that the Tivo was the better piece of equipment and would receive the hallowed HDMI connection.

Out of curiosity, I tried the 6416 on HDMI recently. Still looked assy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961545 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:49:35 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961462 CeeZee : How do you hook up both the Tivo and 6416 to your TV? Are you using HDMI for both?

Boy, is Tivo ever tempting. If only Tivo would have let me transfer my DirecTV/Tivo lifetime subscription I'd have certainly jumped to the new model that just came out. I had DirecTV Tivo for as long as it was available and it was sure nice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961462 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:37:38 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961411 knarf829 : I (well, really the installer) split the signal coming to my living room. One goes into the 6416, the other into the Series3 TiVo. I can record 4 HD shows at once, which will come in handy now that the new TV (and Football) season is starting.

The TiVo does need 2 Cablecards to operate (S Cards). Rumor has it that, when Verizon starts handing out M Cards you will only need one. I cannot speak to that, as I have the 2 s card set up.

Piggy-backing off the 6416 is not an option, as there is no video / audio input.

Because the TiVo offers better picture quality and is more user friendly, it is our primary DVR. It got the HDMI connection for those reasons, too.

The 6416 is there for those "iffy" shows we're not sure when, if ever, we're going to get to. Of course, it's there if we want to use On Demand as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961411 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:30:23 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961344 HenryFarpolo :

said by knarf829

:

Ahhh...something I'm "qualified" to talk on.

Solution to On Demand is to double-up DVRs. We have the 6416 and Series3 TiVo on our living room TV.

Otherwise, since all On Demand is SD anyway, a 2500 would do.

Does the TIVO piggyback on the 6416 or do you split the signal? If you split the signal do you need a cablecard for the TIVO? I am considering the TIVO because of the reduced capacity of the 6416, but would probably opt to have both like you do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961344 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:18:11 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961112 GeekNJ :

said by wmcbrine

said by GeekNJ

:

I'd probably already have gone for a Tivo HD if it wasn't that the family watches a good amount of On Demand.

Free stuff, or pay? Pay stuff you can probably replace with Amazon Unbox for Tivo... there's free stuff, too (via "TivoCast"), but it's pretty limited.

All the "free" stuff like HBO series, etc. Only my kids have ever ordered a PPV on Demand.

With Tivo replacing the existing DVR, I'd give up, on that TV (50") the ability to watch all the subscription PPV. I don't think that would fly with the family.
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said by harley3k

:

And don't forget the Tivo Suggestions (stuff it records for you without you asking). I think I watched 5 episodes of Sienfeld and a couple of simpsons last night :p Thanks Tivo!

From my limited experience, I don't like that feature. I went over a friends house 2 years ago and the first thing he asks is how do I stop the box from recording things I don't care about? It's got crap on their I'll never watch and when I come home, I spend time every night deleting stuff it decided to record. So I turned the option off.
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said by wmcbrine

said by GeekNJ

:

I'd probably already have gone for a Tivo HD if it wasn't that the family watches a good amount of On Demand.

Free stuff, or pay? Pay stuff you can probably replace with Amazon Unbox for Tivo... there's free stuff, too (via "TivoCast"), but it's pretty limited.

And don't forget the Tivo Suggestions (stuff it records for you without you asking). I think I watched 5 episodes of Sienfeld and a couple of simpsons last night :p Thanks Tivo!

I only watched VOD on the Moto box once when the power went out at my house long enough to drain the ONT battery, and I missed a recording of "Sleeper Cell". And the inability to save the PPV's to my DVR drive indefinately like I could with DirecTV prevented me from using that feature more than once.

Besides I still have the Moto DVR in the bedroom if I really get a pinch to watch PPV/VOD. That is until I repalce that with another TivoHD.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18961019 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:19:15 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18959822 wmcbrine :

said by GeekNJ

:

I'd probably already have gone for a Tivo HD if it wasn't that the family watches a good amount of On Demand.

Free stuff, or pay? Pay stuff you can probably replace with Amazon Unbox for Tivo... there's free stuff, too (via "TivoCast"), but it's pretty limited.
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09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18959822 Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:26:16 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18955055 GeekNJ : If it can't replace it for me, I won't make the move. It's not cost effective to have the Tivo and need a STB. Plus I'd need the HD STB. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18955055 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:12:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954951 knarf829 : Ahhh...something I'm "qualified" to talk on.

Solution to On Demand is to double-up DVRs. We have the 6416 and Series3 TiVo on our living room TV.

Otherwise, since all On Demand is SD anyway, a 2500 would do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954951 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:53:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954551 GeekNJ :

said by JeepMatt

:

The Tivo HD BLOWS AWAY the FIOS boxes.

I'd probably already have gone for a Tivo HD if it wasn't that the family watches a good amount of On Demand. Sure, we could banish them to another set but I don't want to do that.

At least the Tivo HD is a reasonably priced purchase.
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said by snappakazoo

:

I called Verizon to install the cable cards. It took 15 minutes of holding and transfers to get to the right rep. She did not really know how to order the cards but eventually got them ordered. Sadly, they would not let me pick them up. I stopped in the Paramus office to try to get some, but they don't stock them. :(

Verizon really needs to move quicker on allowing self service vs waiting & paying. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954532 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:48:45 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954246 kes601 :

said by JeepMatt

:

Have i mentioned the Live 365 streaming music is awesome???

The Tivo HD BLOWS AWAY the FIOS boxes.

Quit that, I don't want to spend $300 on a box, but with all the good reviews I am hearing I may just have to do it....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954246 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:01:19 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18954238 JeepMatt : Have i mentioned the Live 365 streaming music is awesome???

The Tivo HD BLOWS AWAY the FIOS boxes.
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For both tuners you get:
Mode
Carrier Lock
PCR Lock
Data
Frequency
SNR
5 Second Error Counts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953953 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:03:24 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953882 JeepMatt : Kes-
If you do the Power off - then hit ok to bring up the diagnostics - it is the selection that reads "In-Band status" - it should show you the SNR and AGC levels.

I think you are reading the OOB stats. Mine is 16%.
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I was planning to wait until they got the Multi-Room-Viewing working (slated for later this year and possilby not including HD content), but I don't think I can wait now. I am addicted once again.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953612 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:55:57 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953579 kes601 : Matt -- How do you see the AGC levels on the DVR? I'm not seeing the percentages.

Edit: Actually, I found the AGC %, but it is 18% Good, that is way off from your 75%/63% viewings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953579 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:47:58 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18953444 JeepMatt : Well, my tech came out - saw the nasty pixellation. :p

He swapped the splitter and removed the 8dB attenuator - put a 3dB directly on the back of my Standard STB (so it doesn't fry it) - nothing on the two other feeds to the Tivo and the HD-DVR.

The AGC levels on the HD-DVR dropped from 75% FAIR to 63% GOOD on the affected channels.

I haven't seen breakup on the Tivo for a good 10 minutes now - but i'll definitely keep an eye on things - it seems those frequencies are very sensitive compared to the others.

Once again - a very cool tech here in Delaware - and on a Sunday to boot. :p
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I checked the VZ HD-DVR in my bedroom - the same channels that are blocking like hell on the Tivo - their SNR and AGC levels are worse.

The AGC level within these frequencies is 75% - and goes between GOOD and FAIR - and fluctuates quite a bit. All other channels on the HD-DVR (those that work fine on Tivo) are around 63% - and sit steady - so I can see there's quite a difference.

Ron - thanks for your example. I'm having a feeling that there's probably something wrong upstream...it would explain why it happened just out of the blue. But, i'll need to wait for the tech's diagnosis.
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said by wmcbrine

said by JeepMatt

:

My other STB's are fine - so i'm thinking something is wrong with the coax.

I've got similar issues, posted on the tivo forum, of pixelization only with cable cards and my Tivo S3. It used to be on some of the HD channels, but that mysteriosly cleared up and now has reappeared on some of the SD channels in the 400mhz range. This week I had two service calls and the last tech told me that they are seeing a problem in my area (Sarasota, FL) with cable cards and Tivo. He also confirmed that they knew there was the HD problem, and it was fixed at the head end or somewhere down the line.

My advise to all -- be persistent, but patient. Eventually they'll find the cause and fix it. VZ left me one of their DVRs in the interim, until the issues get resolved. It's confirmed, by my two tech visits this week, that there's no issues in my home, but in their network. No more home visits are needed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18952167 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:26:47 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18952099 KenAF : It's possible that particular attenuator has a greater dip on that particular band. These are inexpensive devices so they aren't perfectly linear.

With my install, there is a 3-way splitter. One of the outputs is lower loss than the other two. If your 4-way splitter has one low loss, you might try swapping the cables. If the TivoHD is on the low loss now, swap it with one of the others or vice-versa without the attenuator.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18952099 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:00:39 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18952082 JeepMatt : Thanks for the tips guys...

Still nasty this morning. I already have an 8db attenuator on the line - I was 16dB outside - with the 4 way splitter i'm down to 9dB - then take into account the attenuator - i'm around 1dB or 0dB at the boxes.

I've swapped out splitters - nothing. I checked my other STB's - the levels on these frequencies are actually worse on the STB's as well - however they don't break up - as you've all said the Tivo's are more sensitive.

So, not sure if there's something wrong with the ONT - or upstream - as like I said - it was perfect all week until Friday evening when I first noticed it.

I actually was able to get an appointment for this morning at 5pm last night - i was shocked - so I took it.

My luck nothing will improve with anything they do today - and i'll be stuck with yet another FIOS TV Issue. :p
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I would try swapping out the existing splitter with another. I would also try what wmc suggested above -- adding another splitter to attenuate the signal, in case it is too 'hot' for the Tivo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18951222 Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:29:20 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18951169 wmcbrine :

said by JeepMatt

:

My other STB's are fine - so i'm thinking something is wrong with the coax.

Eh, I hate to tell you, but it's mostly the Tivo. It's way more sensitive than Verizon's STBs. In principle, Verizon should clean up their signal so this doesn't happen; but if they can't replicate the problem on their own STBs, they probably won't do anything about it.

Some people have gotten improvement by attenuating the signal. (The Fios signal is very "hot".) If you don't have an attenuator handy, an extra splitter may do.

This kind of issue is covered in a lot of depth at tivocommunity.com...
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I was having signal loss on MHD on the multiroom that was replaced today, so I replaced my 4 way splitter with a 2 way and 3 way splitter, now all boxes are happy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950395 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:03:23 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950317 knarf829 : If it's not happening on your other boxes, I can't think of what else it could be. Weird.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950317 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 20:45:52 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950298 JeepMatt : Things are okay here - and have been - however.....

As of last night, I'm now having problems on the Tivo. Any channel in the 633Mhz or 639 Mhz frequency (CSN Philly - HD, some of the Cinemax channels) i'm getting major breakup and signal loss on the coax run to the Tivo. I've checked the Tivo diagnostics and the signals fluctuate like crazy.

My other STB's are fine - so i'm thinking something is wrong with the coax.

Anyone ever see something like this on specific frequencies point to a coax issue?
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Around the time we had all the PQ problems in this area (most of which I thankfully never saw) there was a lot of talk about the scalers in the 6416 and how they did not work very well. There was even talk about incompatibility with some Samsung DLP TVs.

The TiVo allows for native resolution passthrough of all resolutions - performing no scaling whatsoever and leaving it to the TV.

It kind of comes down to whether you trust the scaler in your multi-thousand dollar TV or rental cable box to deliver the best picture. I trust my TV more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18950004 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:40:54 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949969 Raven313 : This is kind of a subjective question. I have the Moto 6416 connected to my 1080P DLP thru s-video and HDMI. PQ looks great to me in all cases.

Under what circumstances would a TivoHD provide better PQ for me? Most HD channels broadcast in 1080i which is what my DVR outputs as so isn't that "as good as it gets?" And for the few 720p channels, even if I outputted natively my 1080p tv would upconvert anyway. Is the PQ noticeably different with one conversion as opposed to two? SD is outputted natively thru s-video so I don't understand how that could improve much either.

Basically I'm satisfied with my 6416 but just wondering what circumstances the TivoHD would have better PQ for someone like me (1080p tv owner).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949969 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:31:42 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949503 kes601 : Thanks, much appreciated information. I had my multiroom DVR replaced today, if it does not make a difference in my viewing exerpience I may give the TivoHD a spin.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949503 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:59:37 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949391 KenAF :

said by kes601

:

Can you set the Tivo to output SD content in 480i or 480p while doing HD content in 1080i?

Yes.

The TivoHD has a number of modes to choose from:

1. Native - all formats output in native resolution
2. Hybrid - 480i output as 480p, other formats output in native resolution
3. 720p Hybrid - 480i output as 480p, all HD output as 720p
4. 1080i Hybrid - 480i output as 480p, all HD output as 1080i
5. Fixed 480i - all formats output as 480i
6. Fixed 480p - all formats output as 480p
7. Fixed 720p - all formats output as 720p
8. Fixed 1080i - all formats output as 1080i]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949391 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:38:43 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949281 kes601 : Can you set the Tivo to output SD content in 480i or 480p while doing HD content in 1080i?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949281 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:22:13 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949132 knarf829 :

said by snappakazoo

:

One note: During the install process, my 10 year boy was dancing around the room saying 'We have Tivo, we have Tivo, we have Tivo'

I had much the same reaction when my installer got the cablecards up and running :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949132 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:47:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949111 KenAF :

said by snappakazoo

:

As for standard TV, I connected using an 'S' cable and told Tivo fixed 480i. That may be wrong, but the picture is fine. There is one unexpected benefit of having the Tivo HD on a standard TV. I can watch the HD channels on my regular TV. They are sometimes letter boxed or don't fill the whole screen. Otherwise they look fine. My hope is that once multi-room viewing is enabled, this means if I record something in HD in the LR, I will be able to watch it in the bedroom even though it is not HD.

Just a tip:

S-video is always output in 480i. The resolution output settings under Settings -> Video only apply to component and HDMI. Since you set the TivoHD to 480i output, you can use component on your SDTV if you want.

On your SDTV, be sure to select 4:3 TV in Settings -> Video. That way, the aspect button on the remote will give you more options when watching HD (widescreen) channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18949111 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 16:42:50 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18948384 snappakazoo : Almost forgot...the installer claims that the guide update comes TOMORROW...
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OHere is my experience with installing cablecards...sort of long...

I picked up two Tivo HD. I got one from Circuit City for $270. Since they only had one, I drove down to BestBuy and they matched my price. I bought at B&M stores in case I ran into a problem. I know I paid a bit more, including tax, but I consider insurance against a problem.

I called Verizon to install the cable cards. It took 15 minutes of holding and transfers to get to the right rep. She did not really know how to order the cards but eventually got them ordered. Sadly, they would not let me pick them up. I stopped in the Paramus office to try to get some, but they don't stock them. :(

The installer came this morning. He admitted on arrival that he had never installed cable cards before. This was not unexpected. I was an early adopted of FIOS internet and FIOS TV in my area and I was the first install for the techs on both occasions.

Prior to the installer coming, I had setup the Tivos and done the guided setup.

He brought S cards. :( He had not heard of M cards. We put the first card into the slot and started the process. After a minute or so, the Cablecard info was populated on the screen.

First problem was his software asked for something called POD ID#. He did not know what that was. Initially he left it blank but that gave an error. Finally, we saw that Tivo was giving up a number that Tivo called 'Cablecard' which was a derivation of the UA #. He entered that and his software proceeded to initiate then activate the cablecard. A two step process on his software.

Next problem. Tivo came up with an error 161.4. We were not clear what this meant. He called support and while waiting for someone to help him, the channels started to work. My interpretation is that it takes a little time for the activation to work its way through the system. The Tivo however is impatient and after initiation of the card, it gives the error while waiting. It took about 5-10 minutes for the channels to start working after each card was installed.

We proceeded to get the other three cards working. After the cards are installed, Tivo does another guided setup. Took time, but clearly you can't skip that. All my channels, premium included, work great. So far, no pixelization.

As for standard TV, I connected using an 'S' cable and told Tivo fixed 480i. That may be wrong, but the picture is fine. There is one unexpected benefit of having the Tivo HD on a standard TV. I can watch the HD channels on my regular TV. They are sometimes letter boxed or don't fill the whole screen. Otherwise they look fine. My hope is that once multi-room viewing is enabled, this means if I record something in HD in the LR, I will be able to watch it in the bedroom even though it is not HD.

A few pieces of advice from my experience:
- Write down the Card info before installing them. I copied the cards prior to starting on my FAX machine
- Have internet access for the installer. In both rooms, I had wired access for him to use. I could have given him access to my wireless network, but then he would have my double secret key :D
- Be patient

One note: During the install process, my 10 year boy was dancing around the room saying 'We have Tivo, we have Tivo, we have Tivo'
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Let me 'splain. [pause] No, there is too much. Let me sum up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18948374 Sat, 25 Aug 2007 14:05:59 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18946755 JeepMatt : Well, after 5 days - I LOVE MY TIVO!

I watched my 1st "VOD" last night (from Amazon Unbox)- the movie "300".

Total DVD quality picture and sound- BEAUTIFUL!

I have over 100 "recommendations" to watch already based on my "thumbs up / down" button - and the PQ is so much better than the Moto DVR.

The only thing that sucks is that my Phils have gone from the wild card to 3 games out in those same 5 days. :(
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said by legalaliens

:

Other than only needing one M-Card (as opposed to two S-Cards), what other advantage does the M-Card have?

That is the only advantage.

The M in MCARD standards for multi-stream. The S is 'S' CableCard stands for single-stream.

The only difference between the two is the ability of the MCARD to support multiple streams (i.e. multiple tuners) with a single card.

The Cable Labs' licensing agreement does not currently allow any company to support interactive features like VOD with their own interface. If a company wants to build a box to support VOD, then they are required to use the cable company software and UI. Tivo is lobbying to get those requirements changed.

said by BTDT

:

What is the processing for "taking a DVR back"? Can you just drop it off at a Verizon store/office? Does it require a site visit? Is there any charge?

There is no charge if you drop it off at the local/regional FiOS office. In my case, the nearest FiOS office was about 90 minutes away, so that wasn't an option.

Verizon charges $25 for service calls to install new equipment or remove old equipment. They do not change anything for service calls to fix problems and replace defective equipment.

If you don't have a Verizon FiOS office near you, you'll want to minimize those $25 visits.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941486 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:15:58 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941287 BTDT :

said by harley3k

:

I still have my DVR until I watch all my recordings on it, then I'll take it back.

What is the processing for "taking a DVR back"? Can you just drop it off at a Verizon store/office? Does it require a site visit? Is there any charge?

I have one DVR that will be returned no matter what, since my son who was using it has just moved out. Other than that I am considering a progressive roll-out upgrade to TiVo HD or an HTPC.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941287 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:48:57 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941165 matcarl : PPV isn't thru IPTV but it's still an interactive feature, so you wouldn't get it unless these M cards are two-way, are they?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18941165 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:31:17 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18940988 knarf829 : As VOD and PPV are carried via the IPTV format (which TiVo does not support), no.

EDIT: As matcarl corrected below, PPV is not IPTV. My bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18940988 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:00:33 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18940922 legalaliens : Other than only needing one M-Card (as opposed to two S-Cards), what other advantage does the M-Card have? Can you get Video on Demand by using an M-Card? How about PPV?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18940922 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 11:44:38 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18938309 harley3k :
I just got 2 S-Cards today in Flower Mound, TX. They said they didn't have M Cards when I ordered, and the installer didn't seem to know what it was, and had clearly not installed in a Tivo before.

It still rocks though. I still have my DVR until I watch all my recordings on it, then I'll take it back. I'll keep one DVR in the bedroom. If Verizon ever gets PPV worth watching (as in, HD?!) I can watch it in there.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18938309 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:13:13 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930798 Teasip : One of our N. Texas members recently received the M card (no need for dual cards) as I understood (NOCMan as I recall).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18930798 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:12:36 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929740 kes601 : See, now you are making us on the fence what to jump over and get a Tivo. If a new DVR does not fix my multiroom units problem then I will be next in line for a Tivo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929740 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:51:07 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929733 chazas : You will lose video on demand. You will lose the new guide - but you will get Tivo's vastly superior guide interface,which is the entire point, IMO.

My little Tivo man is back in my life as of today and I love him. Especially combined with FIOS' great picture - best of both worlds, as far as I'm concerned.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18929733 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:49:57 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925916 JeepMatt : Legal-
You will lose On Demand and the interactive guide - along with Widgets.

However, Tivo HD offers their own guide - their own weather and traffic widgets - and much more.

You will love it! And yes, I rec'd two S-Cards.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925916 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:21:44 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925561 legalaliens : I am considering getting a TivoHD (the $299 one) to use with my FiOS TV service in Northern Virginia (Fairfax). I have a few questions.

1) Verizon doesn't currently give out M-Cards, correct? Just the S-Cards (yes, I saw the above post, just want to confirm).

2) Assuming Verizon will give me two S-Cards, what functionality will I lose (from my current Motorola boxes)? I have read that if I use a Series 3 or TivoHD with S-Cards, I will not be able to access VOD or PPV - is that correct?

3) Is there any other functionality I will lose?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925561 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:30:57 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925407 kes601 :

said by snootz4

:

Has anyone seen where verizon has installed a Mcard anywhere? I searched through the whole thread and didn't see evidence that it's been done.

They don't have MCards available yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925407 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:05:49 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925346 snootz4 : Has anyone seen where verizon has installed a Mcard anywhere? I searched through the whole thread and didn't see evidence that it's been done.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18925346 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:56:58 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18921714 KenAF :

said by harley3k

said by KenAF

:

You can see what's on each tuner and switch between them by pressing the right arrow (to bring up info screen) and then the down arrow.

I knew that method, but was looking for a shortcut.

said by KenAF

:

The "Live TV" button is also supposed to switch between the tuners, i.e. perform the recall function, but it doesn't work every time; sometimes it just brings up the guide.

That did it! Thanks for the tip.

Note the 'enter' button on the Tivo remote doubles as the 'previous channel' button. If you were just watching one NFL game on tuner 1, and another NFL game on tuner2, then the 'enter' button on the Tivo remote will switch between the two tuners. Similarly, if you are recording two different channels at once, pressing the 'enter' button will switch between them.

If you are setting up a universal remote like a Harmony, you should probably use that 'enter' function for your remote's 'previous channel' button.

The Tivo remote does say 'Last' in small letters next to the enter button, but some people miss that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18921714 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:31:58 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18921662 anon : Dunninger-

My set up sounds similar to what you want.

I have my TivoHD in my family room, hooked up to my plasma HDTV via component (soon to be HDMI). I have the *composite* outputs of the Tivo going into a ChannelVision modulator. The ChannelVision converts the signal into "Channel 65" (or whatever channel I want) on a coax (RG-6) cable which gets feed back into my whole-house cable system.

Then, from any room in the house, I can tune a TV to channel 65 and see the output from the Tivo. By each TV I have a Powermid IR wireless transmitter so I can control the Tivo from the other rooms.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18921662 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:23:21 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18918006 KenAF : Amazon Unbox is a nice idea but I don't use it.

Why? The picture quality is highly variable. Some titles are very comparable to DVD while others suffer from a lot of compression artifacts. You don't know what you are getting.

The problem imo, is that Amazon is currently using MPEG-2. They aren't taking advantage of the MPEG-4 or VC-1 support in the TivoHD or Series3 because the older SD Tivos don't support that.

Hopefully, at some point, Amazon Unbox will offer 720p HD movies in MPEG-4 AVC or VC-1 format for download. Then I would be more inclined to use it, so long as the pricing remains comparable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18918006 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:42:52 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18917115 JeepMatt : Since i was excited - I downloaded my first Amazon Unbox movie last night, "300". Still haven't watched it yet - but it downloaded the 2 hour movie in about 90 minutes.

Who needs PPV?
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said by harley3k

said by almahix

:

Does the native resolution stretch SD to 16:9? I hate that!

Almahix,

Actually it does stretch it if I set the video output to be 1080i fixed. If I select "Native" or a "Hybrid" resolution it adjusts the output accordingly.

Don't forget there is an aspect button on the TivoHD remote which toggles between 4:3 with side bars (your choice of black or grey), stretch, and zoom. The aspect modes only work on SD channels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916618 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:52:57 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916463 harley3k :

said by almahix

:

Does the native resolution stretch SD to 16:9? I hate that!

Almahix,

Actually it does stretch it if I set the video output to be 1080i fixed. If I select "Native" or a "Hybrid" resolution it adjusts the output accordingly.

My older Sony does some nasty flickering when switching between resolutions so I thought I'd set it to a fixed 1080i, but the stretching is more annoying I think.

There's also a "Smart Screen" option in the TV Aspect Ratio setting that says: (4:3 SD, 16:9 HD). I'll have to wait until I get some HD (cable cards come Thursday) to see how that works, as I've already removed the rabbit ears I was using for testing earlier.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916463 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:59:30 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916400 harley3k :

said by KenAF

:

You can see what's on each tuner and switch between them by pressing the right arrow (to bring up info screen) and then the down arrow.

I knew that method, but was looking for a shortcut.

said by KenAF

:

The "Live TV" button is also supposed to switch between the tuners, i.e. perform the recall function, but it doesn't work every time; sometimes it just brings up the guide.

That did it! Thanks for the tip.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916400 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:38:33 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916387 KenAF : Harley3k,

You can see what's on each tuner and switch between them by pressing the right arrow (to bring up info screen) and then the down arrow.

The "Live TV" button is also supposed to switch between the tuners, i.e. perform the recall function, but it doesn't work every time; sometimes it just brings up the guide. Apparently that is one of the handful of bugs in the v8.1.x software that was fixed in 8.3.x (now on the Series3). Another bug in 8.1.x is the audio dropout on Dolby Digital channels when you navigate the menus, although you can eliminate that by turning off Tivo sounds.

Tivo's first priority is probably to get those Scientific Atlanta CableCard issues solved. After that, I'm sure they'll work on getting 8.3.x (or newer) out for the TivoHD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916387 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:35:47 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916386 harley3k : Oh and actually informative guide data!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916386 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:35:46 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916306 harley3k :
It's so nice to have fast commercial skipping and dual buffers back!

[select-play-select-3-0-select] to turn on 30 second skipping :p

On my old HD-DirecTivo I could press the down arrow to switch between the dual buffers though - that doesn't seem to be the case with the TivoHD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18916306 Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:18:37 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915970 NOCMan : Hey dude, I had the macroblocking issue, however I had it before with FIOS DVR. I can tell you the tivo issue was much less intrusive for me. I have the latest update and so far it's not happening anymore from the looks of it. Still gonna borrow a db meter and make sure my signal is good into the cable box.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915970 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:18:06 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915952 NOCMan : No I force it to 1080i and it formats them correctly so the tv just plays the channel back. Loving it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915952 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 23:16:36 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915745 harley3k : No stretching.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915745 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:42:03 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915426 almahix : Does the native resolution stretch SD to 16:9? I hate that!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915426 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:50:06 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915282 harley3k : I've connected a few times now...I guess it will get it when it's ready to get it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915282 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:26:28 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915232 JeepMatt : Harley-
Force a connection - you should have it downloaded before they get there.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915232 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:18:17 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915216 harley3k : ah, don't have it yet then...

Not that it matters, my cablecard(s) won't be here until Thursday.

All I have now is OTA channels via some rabbit ears :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18915216 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:15:00 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914954 KenAF :

said by harley3k

:

Can anyone with the latest patch post their version number so I know if I got it or not?

8.1.7b2]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914954 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:37:27 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914900 harley3k : Can anyone with the latest patch post their version number so I know if I got it or not?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914900 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 20:30:27 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914574 KA3SGM : You take the Red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and you see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Life Beyond the Motorola DVR.

Welcome to the real world.......
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This native resolution pass-through is great.

It knows ESPN-HD is sent at 720 - so it doesn't have to worsen it by upconverting to 1080i like the Moto box did.

My PQ is vastly improved with the Tivo HD.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18914138 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:39:08 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912702 JeepMatt : Yes, I got two of the S cards - SHE :p had a couple tries at getting the correct ID's off the screen - but all in all, the cable card part took 30 minutes tops.

It was her first CC install - but she was a champ!

DE has some cool techs - as I always say.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912702 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:58:10 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912590 winstoda : How long was the tech actually installing the cable cards? I have an appointment on Friday, just wondering how long I can expect them to be here. I assume he had two of the S cards?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912590 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:39:53 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912557 JeepMatt : I'm now good to go! My tech got called to help out another tech ironically down the street from me. :p

The standard STB I got is up and running - I moved my HD-DVR upstairs to the bedroom - and the Tivo w/ cable cards is now working with all channels!

It did take a bit to get the cable cards authorized and for Tivo to download all the guide data.

Since the Tivo allows you to pass channels at native resolution - so far things look good.

Also, I haven't seen any pixellation either. Crossing my fingers.

Now it's time to go give some programs a thumbs up! :p
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18912557 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:35:32 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911645 JeepMatt : Well,
My appt window was 8-Noon, and noone has shown up yet.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911645 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:03:31 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911595 KenAF : I use my Harmony 720 with the TivoHD. In the Harmony remote setup program, just type in "Tivo" for make and then "Series3" for model.

I stuck the Tivo menu, Aspect button, and Thumbs +/- buttons on the LCD. I set the menu button to bring up the Now Playing list.

To enable 30-sec skip on the Tivo for the |-> button (regardless of remote), enter the following while watching a recorded show: Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select. By default, it skips to end.

When fast forwarding, pressing the |-> skips to the next tick.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911595 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:53:33 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911109 knarf829 : My Harmony 659 is still set up based on my old Series 1 TiVo (too lazy to go and change) and operates the Series 3 just fine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18911109 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:26:40 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18910936 BTDT : I believe the Harmony remotes have always worked with the TiVos. Shouldn't be a problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18910936 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:52:29 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18910385 JeepMatt : Today's me big TIVO day -

Question - has anyone been able to still use their Harmony remote with a Tivo??

I can't say i'm really fond of the Tivo HD controller.

I have a Harmony 676.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18910385 Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:09:58 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18896294 harley3k :

said by KenAF

:

With the new TivoHD software update released last night, that is completely gone. I have yet to see pixelization on any channel since the update.

Excellent! I can't wait now :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18896294 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:32:26 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18896255 KenAF :

said by harley3k

:

I've got my TivoHD arriving on Monday and the cablecard(s) install for Thursday.

I did read about the macroblocking issues, but I thought they were only affecting certain cable cards like the SciAt ones and not the Motorola models.

At any rate, I've used Tivo before and am confident they'll fix the bug in a timely manner. They've already gotten 2 updates out for the TivoHD, and it hasn't been out that long, so they are at least patching them relatively quick.

The problem was only 'serious' on Scientific Atlanta CableCards. Many users of Scientific CableCards suffer from constant pixelization. Thankfully, Verizon doesn't use Scientific Atlanta CableCards; they use Motorola CableCards.

Before the last software update, my TivoHD exhibited intermittent pixelization anywhere from 0-10 times per hour (an average of 5 times per hour) on FiOS. This pixelization lasted a fraction of a second and usually only affected part of the screen. With the new TivoHD software update released last night, that is completely gone. I have yet to see pixelization on any channel since the update.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18896255 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:28:26 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18895614 harley3k : I've got my TivoHD arriving on Monday and the cablecard(s) install for Thursday.

I did read about the macroblocking issues, but I thought they were only affecting certain cable cards like the SciAt ones and not the Motorola models.

At any rate, I've used Tivo before and am confident they'll fix the bug in a timely manner. They've already gotten 2 updates out for the TivoHD, and it hasn't been out that long, so they are at least patching them relatively quick.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18895614 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:56:14 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18895005 Ronin_R6 : It was reported on AVS that the recent update from TIVO fixed the pixelation problem.

Now I am considering making the switch as well.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18895005 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:33:34 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18893258 JeepMatt : That's great news Ken. I'll most likely pick it up tomorrow - let it download the software updates - and then let it rest until Monday morning when VZ comes.

I was checking out Tivocommunity - and it looks like most FIOS and Motorola card-using customers were fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18893258 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:16:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18893242 KenAF : Yesterday's TivoHD update appears to have fixed the intermittent pixelization with FiOS. I have not seen any pixelization since the update.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18893242 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:14:52 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18892896 runciter : Matt,
Let us know how it goes... More than a few of us are probably eager to know the outcome. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18892896 Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:15:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18889703 JeepMatt : Thanks for the heads-up Ken.

I just checked it out over on tivocommunity.com - some folks are now reporting no blocking.

Maybe i'll set mine up before Monday so I'm sure to get the software download.
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Maybe i'll go ahead with it anyway - and just put the Tivo in the bedroom until any kinks get worked out.
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said by JeepMatt

:

Any thoughts?? Ken, I know you said you "do" experience it - but I don't think i'll be able to put up with it. I've been macro-blocked to death already.

Most of the pixelization reports are from SA CableCard users, but as I noted, the TivoHD still exhibits intermittent pixelization which lasts a quarter of a second -- anywhere from 0 to 10 times per hour -- due to driver issues. It's not in the live or recorded signal since I don't see it again when I hit rewind or instant replay. I also see it occasionally on the menus when the Tivo is doing background processing.

If you are very picky about such things, you may want to wait until Tivo fixes that with a software update. Over the phone, Tivo is telling customers that fix will be available within a few weeks. That said, I can understand not wanting to pay $25 for Verizon to install those CableCards, find oneself unsatisfied with the intermittent pixelization, return the box, only to buy again after the software fix, requiring another $25 install. By waiting, you also increase the probability that your FiOS service area will have MCARDs, cutting the CableCard fee in half.

For me, the benefits of the TivoHD (and 5x the storage capacity) over the Motorola DVR more than outweighs the disadvantage of having a few, quarter-second instances of pixelization every hour. And Tivo has assured me that issue will be fixed soon.

Note the Tivo Series3 does not suffer from this intermittent pixelization -- as its drivers are far more mature -- but it's more than twice the price. You also get better picture quality on SD and HD channels when you use native option, an option not available on the Motorola boxes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888264 Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:05:11 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888160 knarf829 :

said by JeepMatt

:

Okay, I just spent some time thoroughly reading the Tivo Community website - and read up on all of the pixellation problems that Tivo HD users are seeing.

I ordered mine from Circuit City - but still didn't pick it up (as you have 14 days) - but now i'm not so sure I want one - as most users are complaining of pixellation.

And well, with all of the pixellation i've been dealing with from FIOS out of Philly - I sure as hell don't want to be walking into even more of it!

I think I'll cancel the "pick-up order" and wait things out until they stabilize.

Any thoughts?? Ken, I know you said you "do" experience it - but I don't think i'll be able to put up with it. I've been macro-blocked to death already.

FWIW - I have a Series3 and (beyond the signal problems we Philly folks are experiencing right now) have no problems using the Series3 and CableCARDS. In fact, because the TiVo can output native resolution - it looks better than the 3416 on my setup. The Series3 Lite "TiVo HD" may use different components that do not make use of the signal as well as the Series3. I don't know. But as far as this similar device, I have had 0 problems.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888160 Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:52:48 EDT Re: I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888138 matcarl : Boy, you can't win! Remind me not to enter any lotto pools with you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888138 Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:50:33 EDT I Can't Stand Any More Pixellation http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18888128 JeepMatt : Okay, I just spent some time thoroughly reading the Tivo Community website - and read up on all of the pixellation problems that Tivo HD users are seeing.

I ordered mine from Circuit City - but still didn't pick it up (as you have 14 days - and VZ isn't set to come out until next Monday) - but now i'm not so sure I want one - as most users are complaining of pixellation.

And well, with all of the pixellation i've been dealing with from FIOS out of Philly - I sure as hell don't want to be walking into even more of it!

I think I'll cancel the "pick-up order" and wait things out until they stabilize.

Any thoughts?? Ken, I know you said you "do" experience it - but I don't think i'll be able to put up with it. I've been macro-blocked to death already.
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said by KenAF

:

Since multi-room is important to you, you may want to use the Verizon MRV DVR for now and wait until Tivo releases the software update for the TivoHD with MRV.

TIVO multi-room viewing is potentially an option but I would need one tivo for each of the four tv's I have to have the same functionality.

said by KenAF

:

don't know of any affordable way to broadcast high-definition from the TivoHD around your home. You could use your existing AVCAST media kit with the TivoHD, but obviously you wouldn't get HD quality except on the TV where it is directly connected. If you have just one HDTV, you could connect the TivoHD to that and use the AVCAST media kit to serve the other TVs in your home.

At the moment I don't have a single high-def tv, although am probably going to be getting one shortly. I would be happy to hook the HD Tivo to my high def tv and broadcast to the other tv's in SD. That would work for me. Unfortunately, I don't think the AVCAST system will work with FIOS. It broadcasts the TIVO and IR blaster signals over analog channels 75-80 on my cable lines. I don't think this sytsem will work with the digital FIOS signal, but I might be wrong about that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880862 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:24:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880307 KenAF :

said by TheOtherPete

:

I don't see how swapping hard drive would void your warranty, if something happened such that you needed service you would place the original hard drive back.

I have never opened a Tivo Series3, but IIRC, that model may have a warranty sticker you must remove before you can replace the hard drive.

The TivoHD has no such sticker. There is nothing to indicate to Tivo that you have upgraded the hard drive on the TivoHD, provided you keep the original drive and reinstall it should you require warranty service.

It is very easy to upgrade the internal drive with the WinMFS utility. Upgrading no longer requires you to boot into Linux or type in any special commands. You open the case and remove the drive using a torx screwdriver, connect it to your Windows XP or Windows Vista PC (do not use Windows 2000 or Windows 98/Me), run the WinMFS utility, and and click the 'backup' menu. Then you turn off your computer, disconnect the original drive and connect your new high-capacity drive, turn on your computer, and click the 'restore' menu in the WinMFS app. Not rocket science, folks.

If you don't want to open your PC to connect the drive to the SATA connector on your motherboard, you can get a cheap SATA->USB enclosure and perform the backup and upgrade with that.

The most difficult part of the upgrade is finding a screwdriver of right length that will actually fit the screws on the TivoHD. Above I mentioned such a part from Advance Auto Parts.

said by jvanbrecht

:

A update in the near future will enable tivo to go on the series 3 boxes, however, this will exclude all hd content, additionally you can run the tivo desktop software, and store content on your pc (video, audio, pictures etc) and stream them directly to any tivo to go enabled devices, including watching any programming on any of the older tivo's.

This is not correct. TivoToGo (Tivo-to-PC transfers) will support high-definition content. Tivo told TivoHD reviewers that last month. However, it is unknown whether high-definition TivoToGo be limited to local and other "copy freely" flagged channels, or will it also support cable channels marked as "copy one generation" without any downressing.

One of the differences between the TivoHD and the Series3 is that the TivoHD includes built-in hardware to downconvert HD channels to SD (on the fly) for transfer to a PC. The Series3 can transfer SD, HD, but has no hardware to downconvert HD to SD, so if Tivo wanted to support that with the Series3, they would have to do it with the Mac/PC software.

said by dunninger

:

1) Get the multi-room DVR which does multi-room viewing better than my current setup.
2) Keep my series II or get an HD TIVO, but give up my multi-room options.
3) Use two DVR's, perhaps one FIOS and one TIVO.
4) Setup some other system to broadcast the TIVO output to the other tv's. Does anyone use such a setup with FIOS and TIVO?

I am hoping that someone has worked out a solution for number 4. Any ideas?

Tivo has said MRV (multi-room viewing) is coming by the end of the year. That's will allow you to watch all your recordings on every Tivo, regardless of the box on which they were recorded.

Since multi-room is important to you, you may want to use the Verizon MRV DVR for now and wait until Tivo releases the software update for the TivoHD with MRV.

I don't know of any affordable way to broadcast high-definition from the TivoHD around your home. You could use your existing AVCAST media kit with the TivoHD, but obviously you wouldn't get HD quality except on the TV where it is directly connected. If you have just one HDTV, you could connect the TivoHD to that and use the AVCAST media kit to serve the other TVs in your home.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880307 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:10:05 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880299 dunninger : I apologize for asking a similar question a few months ago and potentially hijacking this thread, but I was hoping that maybe one of the folks switching to TIVO from the FIOS DVR has come up with a solution.

I currently have COMCAST analog service and a Series 2 DVR. I can watch anything recorded on the TIVO from any room in the house because I have the AVCAST media kit which allows me to control and watch my TIVO from any of my tvs by switching them to a designated channel and using remote IR blasters.

I have FIOS for broadband but have been hesitant to switch my TV's because I like TIVO and the multi-room functionality. I see my choices as follows if I switch to FIOS:

1) Get the multi-room DVR which does multi-room viewing better than my current setup.
2) Keep my series II or get an HD TIVO, but give up my multi-room options.
3) Use two DVR's, perhaps one FIOS and one TIVO.
4) Setup some other system to broadcast the TIVO output to the other tv's. Does anyone use such a setup with FIOS and TIVO?

I am hoping that someone has worked out a solution for number 4. Any ideas?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880299 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:08:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880077 NOCMan : I usually just wait until the warranty expires.. 90 days I think. Course we do not record much HD and just let suggestions and Sp's take care of what we want to watch.

Still esata will be enabled by the time the new drive is released.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18880077 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:41:27 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879983 TheOtherPete :

said by jvanbrecht

:

To the others talking about hacking their tivos with lrger drives, don't bother, it voids your warrenty, and the esata port on the back has been enabled, so you can purchase a large esata disk array and have all the storage you want without opening and voiding your warranty.

Unless something has changed in the last 24 hours that is not true for the TivoHD (which is what we are talking about in this thread). The eSata port is not yet enabled in software, Kickstart 62 does not work.

I don't see how swapping hard drive would void your warranty, if something happened such that you needed service you would place the original hard drive back. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879983 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:27:56 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879742 jvanbrecht : Okay, I am responding to a number of posts in the thread, but I am too lazy to reference them all.

To the guy who just recently bought his hd tivo and wireless card and talking about amazon unbox, be aware that you cannot just select a movie and start to watch it, it has to download it first, and over the wireless network, it can take some time, so prepare ahead of time (say the night before when selecting movies). Additionally they will delete themselves after 2 weeks if you do not watch it, ot 72 hours after you first hit the play button on it (I think its 72 hours...)

To the others talking about hacking their tivos with lrger drives, don't bother, it voids your warrenty, and the esata port on the back has been enabled, so you can purchase a large esata disk array and have all the storage you want without opening and voiding your warranty. The downside is that once you connect the esata array, it gets married to the tivo, and you cannot use it elsewhere (no other tivo), and if you want to attach it to your computers, you will need to format it.

I have one of the original $800 ones (curse them for releasing a cheaper one 3 months later on me...). I also have 3 very hacked directv series 2 tivo's, which although I do not have directv anymore, I can still use them as media storage devices. A update in the near future will enable tivo to go on the series 3 boxes, however, this will exclude all hd content, additionally you can run the tivo desktop software, and store content on your pc (video, audio, pictures etc) and stream them directly to any tivo to go enabled devices, including watching any programming on any of the older tivo's.

I personally, could care less about VOD, I had directv before, never had it, don't care about it. I do have a normal STB in the bedroom on my tiny ass TV if I want to watch something on vod, but otherwise, the loss of that function for the gains of what tivo provides... is negligible.

Eh.. thats it for now heh... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879742 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:49:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879176 mxmumtuna :

said by Lee GWB

:

Hi,
Does the Tivo use its own guide? Or VZ's? I had the model with Directv.
Thanks
Lee

It's own.
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Does the Tivo use its own guide? Or VZ's? I had the model with Directv.
Thanks
Lee]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18879143 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:16:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877569 KenAF : Tivo drive upgrade utility for Windows
»www.mfslive.org/winmfs/

Here are links to some cool+quiet drives for internal drive upgrades:

500Gb Seagate DB35 for DVRs (# ST3500830SCE) - $150
»www.thenerds.net/SEAGATE_Seagate···SCE.html

500Gb Samsung Spinpoint T Series (# HD501LJ) - $120
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···Junction

750Gb Seagate DB35 for DVRs (# ST3750840SCE) - $265
»www.thenerds.net/SEAGATE_Seagate···SCE.html

Torx Screwdriver to open case and install drive: Star Driver T10 Ampro ($4) from Advance Auto Parts

It's most cost effective to buy a 500Gb now, and then add another 500Gb (or larger drive) when the eSATA drive expansion is officially supported in a few months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877569 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:49:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877556 Killthee :

said by harley3k

said by Killthee

:

If you didn't get the email, just use this link

»www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericC···e=467284

Sorry about that ^_^; Try this link:

»www.fatwallet.com/cash-back-coup···uit-City

Click on the "10% Off w/ $199 Purchase" link -> Log in/create a FW account or click continue shopping -> Add TiVo to CC shopping cart and go to checkout (discount should be applied in step 2 of checkout)

If you pre-ordered the final HP book from Amazon or know someone who did, don't forget to use the $5 off any August purchase at Amazon coupon. I just got the wifi adapter for $32 shipped.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877556 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 05:36:27 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877374 KenAF : Note if you put the TivoHD / Series3 in standby mode, EBS alerts are ignored and do not interfere with recordings.

I don't make it a regular habit to put the box in standby, but I do when I am out of town for a weekend.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877374 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:17:31 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877287 harley3k :

said by gunther2k

:

I don't have a TiVo, but I was researching the Series 3 with the posts I've seen here.

I found on TiVo.com where some people are reporting that the Series 3, while recording, will pick up an alert but then will not resume recording when the EBS ends. It will also pick up an EBS alert if you are watching a recording.

I'm sure people will chime in that actually has experience with the Series 3. I don't mind the EBS alerts, it could save my family's bacon one day, but it would be nice if it would at least resume any recording in progress once the alert is finished.

That's a bummer. I've had the test interrupt recordings a few times, but I don't record a lot at the late hour they do they tests, but I am almost always watching something recorded at that time.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877287 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:35:35 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877281 harley3k :

said by Killthee

:

If you didn't get the email, just use this link

»www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericC···e=467284

Killthee, I don't think I could get that link to work.

Amazon.com has it (on August 25th at least) for $285.81, and the wireless USB network adapter for 37.41, and no sales tax, so I guess I could wait a little bit.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877281 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:33:40 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877258 gunther2k : I don't have a TiVo, but I was researching the Series 3 with the posts I've seen here.

I found on TiVo.com where some people are reporting that the Series 3, while recording, will pick up an alert but then will not resume recording when the EBS ends. It will also pick up an EBS alert if you are watching a recording.

I'm sure people will chime in that actually has experience with the Series 3. I don't mind the EBS alerts, it could save my family's bacon one day, but it would be nice if it would at least resume any recording in progress once the alert is finished.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877258 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:26:03 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877210 harley3k : Thanks all for the Circuit City 10% discount tip. I'll have to look for that discount.

And hey I just thought of another great feature of having Tivo versus Fios-DVR: (Hopefully) when I am viewing a recorded show late at night, it won't be interrupted with a blarringly loud and obnoxious Emergency Broadcast System Test!!!

Does anyone know how Tivo behaves when these tests go off? I was just watching a recording of Bill Maher on Larry King and the volume on the channel was quite low so I had my volume cranked up enough that I'm pretty sure I woke up my neighbors when the Emergency Broadcast System test blaired through my surround sound. So very annoying...

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877210 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:07:34 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877206 Killthee : If you didn't get the email, just use this link

»www.circuitcity.com/ccd/genericC···e=467284]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18877206 Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:05:16 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18875717 Teasip : harley3K, you can get a 10% discount from Circuit City through their recent email (assuming that you received it). My previous post was all messed up. NOCMan in Flower Mound made the switch and said that he DID get the Motorola card vs. the SciAt card.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18875717 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:31:44 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18875696 JeepMatt : Harley-
If you have Circuit City's in TX - go there. They're offering 10% off online right now.
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I'm going to make the jump to TivoHD too.
I tried picking one up on my way home today at BestBuy but they were sold out :huh:

I'm sure the new IMG guide is going to be cool and all, but since they haven't improved the FF/Rewind/Flashback speed, I decided to go back to Tivo. Having faster commercial-skipping action and dual-tuner buffers, is going to be nice again.

I'll keep the DVR I already have in the bedroom and send back the living room DVR. At least until (and if) Tivo gets the Multi-room-veiwing working with HD Content.

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18875547 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:07:21 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873649 warwickwebb : Yeah but to be fair, they're grandfathering in existing DVR rentals at the old rate....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873649 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:58:03 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873145 Teasip : Yep, but with Verizon uping the rental rate on the HD DVR's it's getting closer to being a wash cost wise.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873145 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:41:42 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873120 jasoncapecod : I'll be moving the HD-DVR up to the bedroom

i hope you don't mind the sound of lawn mower in your bedroom... i guess you'll get used to it.. my wife and i did..

with the tivo hd and verizon's cards do you still have to pay the monthly tivo charge]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18873120 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:39:13 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18871086 JeepMatt : Hey guys!

You've convinced me to try a TIVO! :p

I got the Tivo HD for $269 from Circuit City (10% off) along with the Wireless USB adapter.

VZ will be out next Monday with the cable cards. I'll be moving the HD-DVR up to the bedroom, and will be swapping the HD box for a Standard box and putting that in my "front" room where I had no STB previously.

After doing more research, and seeing the Amazon Unbox feature, along with all of the "widgets" TIVO already offers, I was sold.

Maybe it will improve my PQ as well. :p

Harley - the cable cards will be $5.98/mo ($2.99 x 2) - and I'll see a $24.95 charge for the tech visit.
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"ONE team - ONE city - ONE dream!!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18871086 Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:05:08 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867786 Teasip : Someone recently did and commented about how it wasn't the Motorola card that they were given.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867786 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:38:24 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867630 harley3k :
Has any one gotten a TivoHD setup in Texas yet (Flower Mound area, or nearby)? I'm wondering if they have the Multi-Stream cards yet.

Also, what's the install fee for the cablecards?

thanks,
-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867630 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:15:41 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867572 kes601 :

said by JeepMatt

:

Ken-
Thanks for all the info on Tivo. I hate you all! :p You now have me seriously thinking about getting one for 1 of my TV's.

I got a Circuit City email today knocking off 10%, so it would only be $269 to get one.

Maybe i'll go check one out today and play with it a bit.

I'm with you on that. After my issues with the DVR the last few days I'm about over it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867572 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:07:13 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867161 anon : Ken, your post summarizing what makes Tivo great was... great! I liked the idea of recording all the tv show pilots, but I can't figure out how to do that. What am I missing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18867161 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:04:42 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18861415 matcarl :

said by blue_trooper

:

See if your Tivo can find "High School Musical 2" any time before Friday! :p

(Apparently a Verizon VOD exclusive, I hear Comcast VOD doesn't have it. My daughters were excited.)

It's on Disney On Demand under DCOM]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18861415 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:22:06 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18861394 blue_trooper : See if your Tivo can find "High School Musical 2" any time before Friday! :p

(Apparently a Verizon VOD exclusive, I hear Comcast VOD doesn't have it. My daughters were excited.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18861394 Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:18:02 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18857549 JeepMatt : Ken-
Thanks for all the info on Tivo. I hate you all! :p You now have me seriously thinking about getting one for 1 of my TV's.

I got a Circuit City email today knocking off 10%, so it would only be $269 to get one.

Maybe i'll go check one out today and play with it a bit.
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said by KenAF

:

Of course, if that's what you like, you could create a Tivo wishlist for those as well and it would grab them whenever they are shown on MTV or any other music channel.

Nope -- the guide data isn't specific enough to cover individual music videos (with the possible exception of a program like "Rockin' America" on Wam; but in that case, I've found that the guide data isn't totally reliable). You have to resort to recording whole multi-hour blocks of videos, and hoping that the ones you want show up.

However, a while back, Tivo announced a deal with Music Choice. So far, nothing has come of it; and I don't know if it would include videos like the ones on Fios VOD anyway. But it might.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18847791 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:45:48 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846380 KenAF :

said by blue_trooper

:

Likewise, I don't think Nick is broadcasting the older (better) Blue's Clues, or that HBO is broadcasting "Carnivale", but they are available onDemand.

HBO and Showtime rebroadcast all of their original programming in a continual cycle. This week, HBO is on Carnivale episode 16 of 24, and the cycle repeats again with episode 01 in two weeks.

If you created a Tivo season pass for Carnivale today, you would have every episode in a folder by September 14.

said by blue_trooper

:

I'm talking about going through the MusicChoice lists and finding the video for The Shins' "Australia", Lily Allen's "Alfie" or slightly older stuff like Radiohead's "Karma Police".

Of course, if that's what you like, you could create a Tivo wishlist for those as well and it would grab them whenever they are shown on MTV or any other music channel. That's the nice thing about content-based recording; you tell the box what you want and it finds it automatically without any effort on your part.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846380 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:30:16 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846211 NOCMan : No, all the tivo needs nowdays is a network connection so it can download music, movies, and updates.

Tivo can take advantage of Amazon Unbox and right now the quality while slightly less than a dvd it's still great. To me it's like my mp4 converted movies watched over my Apple Tv.

The only VOD we ever watched was for HBO and Cinemax. It was okay, but the content sucks and repeats often. With Tivo we turn on suggestions, thumb up everything we like and it does the recording for us. When I want to watch something I did not expressly tell it to record I look in the suggestions folder and there's always something I want to watch in there.

I have to add to this.

Tivo uses Tv Guide and now you get descriptions of the episode not just a general description of the program. Also as a past tivo user I never had issues with missing shows. Not saying it did not happen, but never as often as FIOS dvr's have managed to do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18846211 Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:07:06 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18833334 blue_trooper : The Tivo folders are a great thing and a significant advantage over the Verizon DVR, but for VOD I'm talking about content that is available but isn't being broadcasted. There is no way Tivo is going to have that material for me. For music, I'm not talking about concerts (e.g. on MHD) I'm talking about going through the MusicChoice lists and finding the video for The Shins' "Australia", Lily Allen's "Alfie" or slightly older stuff like Radiohead's "Karma Police".

Likewise, I don't think Nick is broadcasting the older (better) Blue's Clues, or that HBO is broadcasting "Carnivale", but they are available onDemand.

(okay, plate o' shrimp... 30 seconds after typing "Karma Police" what just came on the radio? (on XPN in Philly) Weird.) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18833334 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:43:35 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832785 anon : The Ethernet connection also provides a lot of additional features like being able to play music or view pictures stored on your PC.

There are also features like internet radio from Live365, yahoo weather, downloading movies or programs from Amazon unbox.

The HDTivo is much more than just a DVR.

Al]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832785 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:31:34 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832598 KenAF :

said by blue_trooper

:

There is also onDemand content that is not in regular broadcast rotation. HBO will often have old seasons of current or former series that they are not actively broadcasting (e.g. you can watch Carnivale onDemand right now if you are so inclined).

Like I said, one of Verizon's VOD advantages is that you you get access to a library of content the day you subscribe. You don't have to wait. This is a short-term advantage, though, unless you are regularly subscribing and un-subscribing to premiums.

said by blue_trooper

:

Also there is always a good selection of kids shows (from Nick, etc.). I'd rather pull up onDemand and ask my daughter which Blue's Clues she wants to watch than have my DVR cluttered with episodes (besides, OnDemand has the vintage "Steve" episodes and not the new ones with the lame "Blue's Room" segments!).

What you've described is the old way of doing things. I guess you have never seen Tivo's Kid Zone?

You might want to check it out:

»www.tivo.com/whatistivo/tivofeat···ing.html

Basically, it creates separate Tivo environments for kids and adults. The kids environment is restricted to their content and your environment is displayed using a passcode. When they get up in the morning (or home from school) and turn on the TV, they have their version of the DVR. When you sit down at night to watch your programs, you get your version of the DVR.

said by blue_trooper

:

Music videos are something else I watch onDemand. If I get tired of channel surfing or if SportsCenter isn't on I'll scroll through the 100's of available videos and find a few I'm interested in seeing.

If you had a Tivo, you could just create a wishlist for your favorite music genre, or favorite artists, and it would record those concerts for you -- and only when HD if you want -- and stick them in a folder.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832598 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:00:00 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832538 TheOtherPete :

said by JeepMatt

:

Since you have the cable cards and all in the system - do you still need to have a phone line or ethernet connected to these new guys?

Yes, for the guide data and software updates.

The tivo guide data is different (and superior IMHO) to the VZ guide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832538 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:50:08 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832521 JeepMatt : Hey guys-
I've always been up on technology :p but never thought about Tivo.

One last question-

Since you have the cable cards and all in the system - do you still need to have a phone line or ethernet connected to these new guys?
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said by JeepMatt

:

My one question with TIVO is, I'm assuming none of you care(d) about On Demand?

Correct.

Is VZ's On Demand programming in HD? I didn't think so but maybe something has changed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832455 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:33:22 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832426 blue_trooper :

said by KenAF

said by JeepMatt

:

My one question with TIVO is, I'm assuming none of you care(d) about On Demand?

It's not that I don't care about 'On Demand.' For me, the Tivo is a superior 'On Demand' box.

With the 'On Demand' programming on FiOS, you are limited to categories and content setup by Verizon. Someone at Verizon or TVN created those categories and they maintain them by recording and copying content from their channels into those categories.

Verizon may define the categorization but the content is defined by the networks. e.g. You can go to HBO.com and see what is available onDemand and that will hold for Comcast, Verizon, etc.

There is also onDemand content that is not in regular broadcast rotation. HBO will often have old seasons of current or former series that they are not actively broadcasting (e.g. you can watch Carnivale onDemand right now if you are so inclined). Also there is always a good selection of kids shows (from Nick, etc.). I'd rather pull up onDemand and ask my daughter which Blue's Clues she wants to watch than have my DVR cluttered with episodes (besides, OnDemand has the vintage "Steve" episodes and not the new ones with the lame "Blue's Room" segments!).

Music videos are something else I watch onDemand. If I get tired of channel surfing or if SportsCenter isn't on I'll scroll through the 100's of available videos and find a few I'm interested in seeing.

IMO - We don't have the perfect solution yet.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832426 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:27:55 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832314 KenAF :

said by JeepMatt

:

My one question with TIVO is, I'm assuming none of you care(d) about On Demand?

It's not that I don't care about 'On Demand.' I just think Verizon's 'On Demand' is inferior to what I get with the Tivo. For me, the Tivo is a superior 'On Demand' box.

With the 'On Demand' programming on FiOS, you are limited to categories and content setup by Verizon. Someone at Verizon or TVN defined those categories and they maintain them by recording and copying content from their channels into those categories. This is exactly what a Tivo does. In fact, many VOD providers use what is essentially a "lite" version of Tivo -- equipped with massive drive arrays -- to maintain their 'On Demand' content.

A Tivo equipped with a large hard drive is like having an 'On Demand' system customized specifically for your tastes. You decide what categories of content you want on the box. You decide when content expires and is replaced.

The concept of of content-based recording -- recording based on content, without regard for date, time, or channel -- isn't easy for some to understand. Some are so accustomed to recording based on program title or from a specific channel at a specific time that they can't comprehend a method of recording that ignores the date, time, channel, and even the title. Most cable company DVRs, including the Verizon DVR, do not support any form of content-based recording.

The Verizon DVR
- won't record all presidential debates and stick them in a 'Presidential Debates' folder.
- won't record all cancer-related news and programming and stick them in a 'Cancer / Health' folder.
- won't record all arthritis-related news and programming and stick them in a 'Arthritis / Health' folder.
- won't record all 2007 Action movies in HD and stick them in a '2007 Movies / Action / HD' folder.
- won't record all interviews with Paris Hilton and stick them in a 'Paris Hilton Interviews' folder.
- won't record all documentaries on global warming and stick them in a 'Global Warming / Educational' folder.
- won't record all programs on the Battle of the Bulge and stick them in a 'Battle of the Bulge / History' folder.
- won't record all Jazz concerts in HD and stick them in a 'Jazz / Music / HD' folder.
- won't record all new series pilots and stick them in a folder for you to sample.

You get the idea. The Tivo does.

Some now have HDTV Tivos with 320+ hours of HD storage and 2000+ hours of SD, and hard drives continue to increase in size and fall in price. Verizon's VOD system currently has "thousands of hours" of SD available via VOD if you subscribe to all premium packages. At the moment, they have no HDTV VOD.

I do agree that VOD is advantageous for situations where you subscribe to a new premium channel and immediately have access to all episodes of a past season. But most people don't change their programming package on a regular basis. And if you are subscribed, the Tivo will grab content that you've requested without you having to know about it or schedule a recording for it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18832314 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 10:11:28 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18831969 JeepMatt : My one question with TIVO is, I'm assuming none of you care(d) about On Demand?
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Upgrade utility and instructions here:

»www.mfslive.org/forums/viewtopic···&start=0

Just be sure to buy a drive that doesn't run too hot or loud. I got a Seagate DB35 (SCE).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18831804 Wed, 08 Aug 2007 08:30:02 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18829164 anon : Harley, I'm in Northern Virginia (Fios's DC area).

My only complaint now is the typical "one channel much louder than another" issue.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18829164 Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:28:24 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18828482 NOCMan : Installed and working in less than 30 minutes..

Works great so far. Flower Mound Tx.. They had moto cards so hopefully I'm not going to see the issues others have had with the sci atl cards.
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»www.macchatter.net]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18823823 Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:12:48 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18787427 PetDude : Exact same situation here in MD. I picked up the Tivo HD at the local Best Buy Monday morning. Called VZ and they scheduled the tech for today. Tech arrived and installed two SCards (no MCards available here either). The install took about 45 minutes. The tech then waited around for the next 25 minutes or so for the guided set-up to complete in order to make sure all was well with the install, and it was. All channels look great! And like at your house, the whine level here has dropped significantly. I have to admit, I'm pretty stoked to have the Tivo back as well.
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said by mikefischer99 :

Install went pretty smoothly, and all my channels seem to be working fine! Already feeling the stress level drop as my wife is happy to have the Motorola box out of the house... she's programming the TiVo for our shows as I type...

Good to know.... what part of the country are you in?

-h]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18787115 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:24:31 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18784036 anon : The installer only had SCards. I wonder if in a few months there will be a way to trade up for a single MCard to cut the monthly fee in half.

Install went pretty smoothly, and all my channels seem to be working fine! Already feeling the stress level drop as my wife is happy to have the Motorola box out of the house... she's programming the TiVo for our shows as I type...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18784036 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:24:28 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782487 KenAF : The MCARDs clearly say MCARD in large letters on side with the text. If you don't see that, you have the older 'S' CableCards. I don't think there is any way to tell from the TV menu, you would have to pull it out.

As far as I know, Verizon didn't take any shipments of MCARDs until Motorola stopped shipping the older 'S' CableCards in April.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18782487 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:58:17 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18780883 DGGSLF : Hey KenAF.

I have two CableCARDs in two seperate TVs. My install happened back in early March 2007. Here's my question: How do I tell by looking at the Version of the CableCARD (accessible via the TV menu), if I have an "M" card or "S" card? Right now it says I have a Motorola Version 04.21 cards.

Are they "M" cards?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18780883 Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:14:34 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18779635 JPL : Thanks for the info, Ken. Good to know. I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to swing for a tivo.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18779635 Mon, 30 Jul 2007 23:26:11 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18779255 KenAF :

said by JPL

:

I've got a stupid question with regard to this. Wouldn't that impact your monthly lease fees? I mean if they bring MCARDs you're leasing 1 card. If they bring the older cards, you're leasing 2. Just wondering.

That's right.

If your local Verizon office only has the older 'S' CableCards, then you are stuck paying 2x2.99= $5.98/mo. If your Verizon office has depleted their 'S' CableCard stock and you get an MCARD, then you only pay $2.99/mo.

All you can do is ask the sales rep to add a note for the installer ("bring MCARD if available") to your order.

(As of April, Motorola ships nothing but MCARDs so eventually that is all FiOS will have.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18779255 Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:19:03 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18778832 JPL : I've got a stupid question with regard to this. Wouldn't that impact your monthly lease fees? I mean if they bring MCARDs you're leasing 1 card. If they bring the older cards, you're leasing 2. Just wondering.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18778832 Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:24:04 EDT Re: CableCard TiVoHD install http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18778646 NOCMan : Yep I picked up a TivoHD and my cablecard appt is next tuesday. You officially suck.

In the meantime I can just have the box record some of the analog channels.
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While I was on the phone I added telephone to my service, bringing me up to Verizon triple play level. Previously I was just using TV and Internet through Verizon (had telephone through Cox Cable).

Have had a few months experience with the Motorola DVR so hopefully I can make a few comparisons once the TivoHD is working.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18777001 Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:35:22 EDT