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said by batterup  :They make billions of dollars for the owners of the companies. And ? The only people that matters to are shareholders, not people who are buying what they are selling, the former being a lot smaller group than the later.
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| said by bmn :said by batterup :They make billions of dollars for the owners of the companies. And ? The only people that matters to are shareholders, not people who are buying what they are selling, the former being a lot smaller group than the later. It is called capitalism, the alternative is call communism. Capitalism with as little government control as possible has proven to work far better then communism. |
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1 edit | said by batterup :said by bmn :said by batterup :They make billions of dollars for the owners of the companies. And ? The only people that matters to are shareholders, not people who are buying what they are selling, the former being a lot smaller group than the later. It is called capitalism, the alternative is call communism. Capitalism with as little government control as possible has proven to work far better then communism. Once again, and ? Companies making money doesn't mean jack to the people buying their goods and services.
Also, contrary to your false dichotomy, there are several alternatives to capitalism besides communism.
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| said by bmn :Once again, and ? Companies making money doesn't mean jack to the people buying their goods and services. SunRocket didn't make money. When you buy stock do you look for companies that will not put your interests first? |
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| said by batterup :said by bmn :Once again, and ? Companies making money doesn't mean jack to the people buying their goods and services. SunRocket didn't make money. When you buy stock do you look for companies that will not put your interests first? Investor interests and customer interests are contradictory. Investors want to get as much money from customers while giving them as little as possible. Customers want as much service as possible for the least amount of money possible - value.
A company that tends to put its investors interests first, tends to have a less than happy customer base.
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| said by bmn :A company that tends to put its investors interests first, tends to have a less than happy customer base. Unhappy customers tend to take their business else ware. It is a balancing act between investors, employees and customers. The three have different competing goals.
You should stand behind your words and buy all of the Vonage stock you can. It is a bargain at $5.68, the IPO was $17.25
Just think how happy the people are that lost 82% of their money in knowing they helped the consumer. |
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| said by batterup :Unhappy customers tend to take their business else ware. It is a balancing act between investors, employees and customers. The three have different competing goals. Wow, you have a penchant for repeating what people have already said....
You should stand behind your words and buy all of the Vonage stock you can. It is a bargain at $5.68, the IPO was $17.25 And what words might those be since you like to put words into people's mouths?
Just think how happy the people are that lost 82% of their money in knowing they helped the consumer. We have a word that describes this statement.... Bullshit. Vonage's stock didn't take a hit BECAUSE "they helped the customer." Where do you pull this stuff out of ? Seriously, where do these these delusions come from that allow you to makes such wild-eyed fantasies with no basis in fact?
Go ahead, PROVE that it was BECAUSE "they helped the customer" that Vonage's stock fell 82% ? Actual facts too, no bullshit.
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said by batterup :It is called capitalism, the alternative is call communism. So that's it, eh?
Just those two? So what system do you live under? |
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| said by KrK :said by batterup :It is called capitalism, the alternative is call communism. So that's it, eh? Just those two? So what system do you live under? I live under the spirit of the Bell System and I can see the light.
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said by batterup :It is called capitalism, the alternative is call communism. Capitalism with as little government control as possible has proven to work far better then communism. Yep. Deregulation worked just fine for Enron, MCI, Adelphia, Tyco International, HealthSouth, Arthur Anderson, et. al.
Yes, Capitalism is better overall, but unrestrained capitalism has a nasty habit of chewing people up and spitting them out in small pieces.
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| said by wtansill : Deregulation worked just fine for .. MCI,...... MCI is the company that brought about the breakup of the Bell System. They feed US B.S. and some people still eat it up. |
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| said by batterup :MCI is the company that brought about the breakup of the Bell System. Yes, no matter how badly the break up has worked out, at least we can Thank God for MCI.... who knows how far back we'd be if the Bell system was never broken up. I do agree though that we're going to have to bring back some regulation to the system now that AT&T is quickly rebuilding the monopoly... especially as they are extending it into wireless and internet as well.
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| said by KrK :said by batterup :MCI is the company that brought about the breakup of the Bell System. Yes, no matter how badly the break up has worked out, at least we can Thank God for MCI.... who knows how far back we'd be if the Bell system was never broken up. I do agree though that we're going to have to bring back some regulation to the system now that AT&T is quickly rebuilding the monopoly... especially as they are extending it into wireless and internet as well. If you regulate the business you must guarantee a profit, if not it will not be built. There is no free lunch. As for wireless I have a choice of T-Mobile, at&t, Verizon and others. What are you talking about? |
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| said by batterup :As for wireless I have a choice of T-Mobile, at&t, Verizon and others. What are you talking about? Not for long....  |
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Translation: I drink the telco Koolaid and don't think for myself.
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| said by bmn :Translation: I drink the telco Koolaid and don't think for myself. So I should let you do my thinking? How soon before you can get me a 50 mb connection? |
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| Here's an idea... Use your brain and think for yourself instead of regurgitating telco talking points, or worse, half truths and falsehoods.
You'll never see me advocating that someone think for someone else.
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