Re: Obvious Result in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18788810 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:01:29 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:01:29 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18796942 pnh102 : Sorry. If company A is trying to get customers from company B, then company A competes with company B. It is just that simple.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18796942 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:44:45 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18796842 kyler13 : They are monoplies because they don't 100% overlap with any other competitor (except cellular providers which is another topic altogether). Do you think Comcast cares that much about FIOS TV or U-verse? No, because the market penetration is small for those just-getting-started services. And while they're trying to steal cable customers, cable is trying to steal phone customers. The bottom line is you have telecom and cable companies trying to act like true competitors, but their core strengths are totally different products. As for satellite, with equipment costs, line of sight issues, and spotty MDU availability, it's yet another example of not quite competing. No complete overlap. Get it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18796842 Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:31:00 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18795228 pnh102 :
said by Sean See Profile :

You missed the point when someone said the companies you're in bed with (AT&T, Comcast, etc) have monopolies.
Yawn. How is AT&T a monopoly? I can get wireless service from AT&T, Verizon, Sprint/Nextel or T-Mobile. If I have AT&T phone service, I can replace that with wireless service from any of the aforementioned companies. Depending on where I live, I might even be able to get phone service from a cable company that competes with AT&T.

How is Comcast a monopoly? I can get TV service from at least 2 satellite providers. Depending on where I live, I can get Internet service from DSL providers. Their phone service also competes with offerings from wireless companies as well as the local phone company. Anyone who sees ads for Comcast always sees comparisons between them and the phone company. If Comcast was a monopoly, then why are they competing with anyone else?
said by Sean See Profile :

Maybe you can find a way to get your peanut sizez brain to understand what that means.
You are aware that this website provides a spell check feature, correct? If you want to throw out insults, you might want to make sure your own English is correct first.
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said by ptrowski See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

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We've more than doubled our staff size to date ... The results of these new hires should start showing soon.


Who else thinks ViaTalk will be out of business by the end of this year?
I will bet that will not happen at all.
Same, their parent company Hostrocket is too big. And even if they did, I am sure it would just be the VOIP part of the company and they would give plenty of notice and allow us to port. But I don't see that happening any time soon.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by laserjobs See Profile :

You are right about customer service. Most CEOs don't understand where the value is in a company. Maybe they shoud teach this curve in MBA programs.
Again though, if this curve was correct, then just about every company in business today would have stellar customer service. However, we all know that this is not true. That means that customer service is not going to be the deciding factor for most people.

And on another note, many companies have been done in by shoddy manufacturing.
You missed the point when someone said the companies you're in bed with (AT&T, Comcast, etc) have monopolies. Maybe you can find a way to get your peanut sizez brain to understand what that means. Here's some help:

Monopoly: (economics) a market in which there are many buyers but only one seller; "a monopoly on silver"; "when you have a monopoly you can ask any price you like"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18793608 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:52:01 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18793037 fldiver : As an American IT Specialist (yes we still exist) I applaud Viatalk's efforts to hire within our own borders. They have my business for some time to come.

-Dan]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18793037 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:29:35 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18792300 cdru :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

I will bet that will not happen at all.
I don't understand why they would need to hire so many people. VOIP is just a function of bandwidth, so I can understand taking a lot of one time charges for equipment and such, but things like tech support can easily be contracted out to other companies.
If it can easily be contracted out to other companies...I guess that would mean that someone would have to still be hired to provide the service. It doesn't matter if ViaTalk signs the paycheck or if Outsourced Company Inc. signs it. ViaTalk just choses to do it in house.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18792300 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:44:54 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791636 JammerMan79 : The reason why those companies are still in business is because they haven't always had crappy service. They're BIG companies and have "history" with many customers...

Starting a new company and having crappy service is completely different.

I'm not saying that either is good ... that's just the way it is.
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said by KrK See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :If Best Buy pisses you off, you could go to CompUSA or Sears or Fry's Electronics, etc.

CompUSA has imploded and closed most of their stores so unless there is still one near you, they are not an alternative to Best Buy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791346 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:02:33 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791289 RARPSL :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

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We've more than doubled our staff size to date ... The results of these new hires should start showing soon.

I love these statements that sound good but provide no real info. Saying that you have doubled your staff size sounds good but is meaningless without the number that it represents. Increasing your staff from one person to two (for example) for example qualifies as "doubling" but is pure hype/spin-control. I am not saying that he is lying or anything but whenever I read a statement of this type which leaves out vital info (such as the number of employees in this case) a Red Flag goes up and my Bovine Excrement detector gets triggered (even when this is not an appropriate reaction).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791289 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:53:03 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791247 KrK :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

It is that simple, really. Companies like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Dell, HP, Microsoft, Best Buy and such all provide mediocre to bad customer service, but they manage to stay afloat. These counterexamples provide indisputable and irrefutable proof that bad customer service does not kill a company.
Actually, I have no problems with customer support at Best Buy. I've heard people have had problems with things like computer repair, or with contracts not being honored but since I don't use those services it's been ok. Also, in my experience in fixing people's computers for them, I've gotten decent support via the websites of Dell and HP. However... the other companies you mention are examples of large entities with huge market share and lack of significant competition, and therefore they can get away with a lot of crap.... If Best Buy pisses you off, you could go to CompUSA or Sears or Fry's Electronics, etc. If MS pisses you off... well... I guess you could start learning Linux.... if you get my drift.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

If this is true then why are there so many companies with piss-poor customer service still in business?
Touche.

Maybe I should qualify my remark by adding "businesses in a competitive market". Some of the proof of a business with a lack of competition is the fact they can get away with piss-poor customer service long-term because the consumer has few choices and has to put up with a lot of crap...

Obviously, ViaTalk has a lot of competition, so therefore, they need to make sure they have at least decent support or they will lose customers in droves.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18791198 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 16:40:43 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18790258 fiberguy : Yup! You got it!! Give this man a CEO's job! :huh:

Seriously.. are you serious with this? What do all of these companies have in common?

Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Microsoft all have monopolies basically. Also, not everyone has bad experienced with these companies. As much as I loath AT&T, I've spoke with people that are satisfied with "the new at&t" and some people are happy with Comcast and so on.. so it's objectionable.

Take into account Dell, HP, and Best Buy, and that's a a matter of opinion. I've never had anything but good service from Dell & Best Buy.. HP? Again, even though I don't buy from them or have a need to deal with them, many people certainly are satisfied with them. I've never had a problem with customer service.. however, just because it's not Apple doesn't mean that people aren't loyal to their product.

So yes.. it's not that simple...
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said by fiberguy See Profile :

You make it sound SOOO simple... it's not, really.
It is that simple, really. Companies like Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Dell, HP, Microsoft, Best Buy and such all provide mediocre to bad customer service, but they manage to stay afloat. These counterexamples provide indisputable and irrefutable proof that bad customer service does not kill a company.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18790060 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:50:53 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789779 fiberguy : You make it sound SOOO simple... it's not, really. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789779 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:05:33 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789293 boober321 : How about the obvious... lack of competition. Phone and internet services rarely have much competition. Usually a person may have two or maybe three choices, many have but one. This specifically is why so many are against these sweeping franchise reform bills passing across the country. With no real competition (and no, the new laws won't do much to remedy that- except maybe in the richest portions of the areas served) the only way to mandate customer service is through the government- just like other utility companies like gas, electric and water... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789293 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:53:21 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789090 n1zuk : Just because ViaTalk "hired" employees doesn't mean that they have necessarily added to their permanent staff. The new people could easily be long term supplemental or temporary contract employees.

Their are quite a few businesses in the US who specialize in placement of this type of people. Many of these operations were grown from head hunter and employment agencies, as they have a large pool of resumes of people who are in transition between jobs.

Folks with IT experience, who may of spent some time at a help desk, would be capable of getting up to speed on the basics of a VOIP operation pretty fast. At lease to a Tier I level...
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said by DaSneaky1D See Profile :

They need people there so when people like YOU call, you'll have one less thing to complain about.
I don't complain, I just cancel :)

But be that as it may, I simply don't believe that bad tech support will by itself doom a company. We just have so many counter-examples that disprove that belief.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18789014 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:09:56 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788815 DaSneaky1D : They need people there so when people like YOU call, you'll have one less thing to complain about.

Yeah, he could contract out to another company for support calls, but they'll have to be trained to read the script, and won't have any direct access to really assist you...then you'll complain about that.

Go have some coffee and breath in the fresh air of the real world.
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I for one am a believer in process and documentation, something I think a lot of companies (small voips) lack. They fly by the seat of their pants till they fail.
Not being an insider in Clifton Park, I don't know what I don't know so my pithy comment was really meant to say that Brendan is in that position, how he got there or what he chose to do in life obviously worked for him. So he gets to decide and you and I don't irrespective of our opinions. :)
So the argument could be made that his outlook on customer service works and yours (or mine) might not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788810 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:35:53 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788675 pnh102 :
said by NY Tel See Profile :

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

I will bet that will not happen at all.
I don't understand why they would need to hire so many people. VOIP is just a function of bandwidth, so I can understand taking a lot of one time charges for equipment and such, but things like tech support can easily be contracted out to other companies.
I guess that's why Brendan is running the company and you are not.
So in other words, you don't know why they need so many people either.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788675 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:17:22 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788614 Hookem99 : Personally, im glad they dont contract out for tech support.....it's nice not having to know a second language to communicate with them!!

Hey NY TEL GUY.....It seems there are a lot of folks who think they could run VT better latly isent there!! :D I think I made a similar comment to a recent post myself!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788614 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:08:36 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788585 pnh102 :
said by laserjobs See Profile :

You are right about customer service. Most CEOs don't understand where the value is in a company. Maybe they shoud teach this curve in MBA programs.
Again though, if this curve was correct, then just about every company in business today would have stellar customer service. However, we all know that this is not true. That means that customer service is not going to be the deciding factor for most people.

And on another note, many companies have been done in by shoddy manufacturing.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788585 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:03:37 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788563 rudnicke : That's the sole reason why I'm weary of dumping Vonage for ViaTalk. They just seem like they are headed the same way as SunRocket.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788563 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:59:08 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788531 laserjobs : You are right about customer service. Most CEOs don't understand where the value is in a company. Maybe they shoud teach this curve in MBA programs.
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said by KrK See Profile :

Fastest way to lose business is skimp on customer service so you can't even meet basic needs. Funny how management never sees this.
If this is true then why are there so many companies with piss-poor customer service still in business?
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

I will bet that will not happen at all.
I don't understand why they would need to hire so many people. VOIP is just a function of bandwidth, so I can understand taking a lot of one time charges for equipment and such, but things like tech support can easily be contracted out to other companies.
I guess that's why Brendan is running the company and you are not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788489 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:46:54 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788484 ColorBASIC : Not me, but I'm M-M so if they do, they do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788484 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:45:55 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788476 KrK :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

Who else thinks ViaTalk will be out of business by the end of this year?
Not I. If your business is growing so fast you realize you need to double your staff that's not a sign of going out of business.

It's also nice to see a company that realizes it's having customer service issues and then INCREASES staff to improve it. These days most companies seem to think they can "cut costs" by stripping away employees and that customer service won't suffer if they "crack down" and "make their employees do their jobs."

Yeah, making 1 person do the work of three really improves customer service.... Not. One of my favorites are the overworked call centers that either give you a recorded message saying they are too busy to take your call, call back later and hang up on you, or the ones where they ask you to leave a message and you'll get a return call--- which never happens.

Fastest way to lose business is skimp on customer service so you can't even meet basic needs. Funny how management never sees this.
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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788476 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:44:24 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788472 pnh102 :
said by ptrowski See Profile :

I will bet that will not happen at all.
I don't understand why they would need to hire so many people. VOIP is just a function of bandwidth, so I can understand taking a lot of one time charges for equipment and such, but things like tech support can easily be contracted out to other companies.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788472 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:44:06 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788436 ptrowski :
said by guppy_fish See Profile :

I'm not exactly a fanboy of Viatalk ( read my review of the service ) but as the ptrowski says, they aren't going supernova :p anytime soon.

Viatalk has their heart in the right place, for the users I just hope they get a handle on there service issues, which have been on-going for over a year. The Influx of SR customers will fatten the bottom line for at least a year or two.
Exactly.
Business was up between 150% and on some days 3000% according to Brendan. I don't know too many companies that could get slammed like that and not have issues.
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788436 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:37:51 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788404 guppy_fish : I'm not exactly a fanboy of Viatalk ( read my review of the service ) but as the ptrowski says, they aren't going supernova :p anytime soon.

Viatalk has their heart in the right place, for the users I just hope they get a handle on there service issues, which have been on-going for over a year. The Influx of SR customers will fatten the bottom line for at least a year or two.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788404 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:30:49 EDT Re: Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788369 ptrowski :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

quote:
We've more than doubled our staff size to date ... The results of these new hires should start showing soon.


Who else thinks ViaTalk will be out of business by the end of this year?
I will bet that will not happen at all.
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Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788369 Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:23:20 EDT Obvious Result http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18788342 pnh102 :
quote:
We've more than doubled our staff size to date ... The results of these new hires should start showing soon.

Who else thinks ViaTalk will be out of business by the end of this year?
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